Anybody else think this may be the most talented team the Pats have had since 2007?

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    Fact: NE defense couldn't stop the Giants from scoring with about 4:00 minutes left in the game.  

    Since regular season stats "don't mean anything" - seems like at the end of the day, the New England Patriots Defense simply couldn't/didn't do their job. It's kind of ironic though, how the regular season pass defense was prettty darn bad.....and the Patriots lost by a passing TD by the Giants.

     
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    It's like you're openly rooting against our younger players,

     

     



    This is just another example of why you are sooooo dense and stupid dumbkoff. Nobody is rooting against our players; quite the opposite. But unlike you we don't say they did well when they didn't. But you are so clueless you conclude in that disheveled mind that saying they suck is hoping they suck.

     

     

     



    Well, what if they do the whole game, like vs Balti in the 2011 AFC title game? Or against Houston this past year?  They were all over the place stripping balls, INT Schaub, you name it.

     

    Spikes picks Flacco in 2011 or Moore bails out Brady with a pass break up in the end zone and this is somehow not playing well?

    Why does it always have to be what the D does at the very end, held to an irrational standard, while our offense SUCKS the entire game or for large portions of it?

     

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    Nobody blames just the D dumbkoff. We can never run when we need to and close a game against a good team either. If Brady doesn't win it, it don't get won.

    Our offense has generally scored at a respectable rate in the post-season considering the number of possessions they get. You have this brain problem where you look at the score and go only by that, ignoring that the D couldn't get off the field and limited the drives for the O by letting the other guy control the clock.

     

     
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    FACT:

    THe weakers part of of our team (the defense) outperformed the stronger part (the offense) in the 2011 postseason.

     

     



     

    Wrong. One interception in 3 games isn't outperforming anybody.

    Hey, grammar gestapo, what does "weakers part" mean?

     

     



    That's called a typo. Grammar is when you showcase you don't know how to apply a rule. Like a contraction with a possessive, a plural possessive or in Mt Hurl's case the use of an article with a word starting with a vowel.

     

    Pretty simple.

    Considering the amount of posts, that won't be my last typo and I won't be editing it for you either. lmao

     

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    I use grammar gestapo as a general term dumbkoff.

     
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    FACT:

    THe weakers part of of our team (the defense) outperformed the stronger part (the offense) in the 2011 postseason.

    No one cares where someone is "ranked" once the postseason rolls around either. It's a round robin tourney.

    Christ, you people are morons. No one cared where our 25th ranked D was ranked in 2001 either.

    Stop pointing to stats and rankings as if it means someone for that one gameday where you need to play your best. Brady has not been his best for a LONG time in the postseason. Since 2006. One great divisional game in 2007, 2011 or 2012 ain't cutting it. It has to be the WHOLE way through. And, our D shouldn't be expected to be All World for all those games either, especially when the offense isn't helping at all. Turnovers, poor game management, bad decisions from our QB, bad execution, etc, etc.

    13, 14  or 17 points ain't winning playoff games in this era.

    Get over it once and for all just purge yourself from your delusions and mental illness on this topic.  You'll feel a lot better once you say "TOm Brady has got to be a better QB for our team".

     

     




    The weaker part of the team was EVEN WEAKER as I don't recall one RS game where they failed to get a turn over or a 3 and out or stop the other team in their own territory, even once, where they allowed a QB 75% completion and took 5 minutes a drive and 38 minutes on D.

     

    Then again, it's hard to do worse than 31st. Unfortunately they did.

     



    No. No one cares about rankings. INdy's 32 ranked run D in 2006 was terrible, but they turned it on in the SB.

     

    FACT:  Statistically the worst DEFENSE to ever play in a SB with a 91.7 DPR

    Fact:  No team has ever or will ever win a SB with A DPR in the 90's.

    Fact:  The average DPR for a SB winner is 67.

    How bad is that?  Natural disaster, bad!

    Tavon Wilson don't look too good.  Is he sick?  LOL

     
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    FACT:

    THe weakers part of of our team (the defense) outperformed the stronger part (the offense) in the 2011 postseason.

    No one cares where someone is "ranked" once the postseason rolls around either. It's a round robin tourney.

    Christ, you people are morons. No one cared where our 25th ranked D was ranked in 2001 either.

    Stop pointing to stats and rankings as if it means someone for that one gameday where you need to play your best. Brady has not been his best for a LONG time in the postseason. Since 2006. One great divisional game in 2007, 2011 or 2012 ain't cutting it. It has to be the WHOLE way through. And, our D shouldn't be expected to be All World for all those games either, especially when the offense isn't helping at all. Turnovers, poor game management, bad decisions from our QB, bad execution, etc, etc.

    13, 14  or 17 points ain't winning playoff games in this era.

    Get over it once and for all just purge yourself from your delusions and mental illness on this topic.  You'll feel a lot better once you say "TOm Brady has got to be a better QB for our team".

     

     




    The weaker part of the team was EVEN WEAKER as I don't recall one RS game where they failed to get a turn over or a 3 and out or stop the other team in their own territory, even once, where they allowed a QB 75% completion and took 5 minutes a drive and 38 minutes on D.

     

    Then again, it's hard to do worse than 31st. Unfortunately they did.

     

     



    No. No one cares about rankings. INdy's 32 ranked run D in 2006 was terrible, but they turned it on in the SB.

     

     

    They won. WHy? 



    Because our D folded in the second half of the AFCCG dumbkoff.

     

     




    No. Brady had two INTs.  He was AWFUL. 0 TDs and 2 INTs at home?

     

    We deserved to lose for that. Spikes tried to bail him out. So did Moore. Moore did!

    It's kind of ironic: Since SB 42 when it was clear Brady's preferred shotgun spread has failed us, he was still trying to force it to work up until last year, but using a "2 minute" as a guise to run the shotgun.

    Go watch how he runs the offense in the first 2 series of these first 2 preseason games. Night and day.

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    Keep telling you and fail to see why you don't understand but MOORE (who is no longer a Pat) bailed his own dam self out.

    Brady HAD the lead.  Moore allowed a 23 yard pass to get them near the RZ.

    You don't bail out some one with the lead.

    It's the D's JOB to preserve that lead with 9 feaken seconds left.  He bailed his own azz out.

    GET IT?

     
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    FACT:  Statistically the worst DEFENSE to ever play in a SB with a 91.7 DPR

    Fact:  No team has ever or will ever win a SB with A DPR in the 90's.

    Fact:  The average DPR for a SB winner is 67.

    How bad is that?  Natural disaster, bad!

    Tavon Wilson don't look too good.  Is he sick?  LOL



    Shhhhh. Facts actually cause him physical pain.

     
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    I love reading Rusty vs the other guy threads. It's why I come here!

        







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    FACT:

    THe weakers part of of our team (the defense) outperformed the stronger part (the offense) in the 2011 postseason.

     

     



     

    Wrong. One interception in 3 games isn't outperforming anybody.

    Hey, grammar gestopo, what does "weakers part" mean?

     

     



    That's called a typo. Grammar is when you showcase you don't know how to apply a rule. Like a contraction with a possessive, a plural possessive or in Mt Hurl's case the use of an article with a word starting with a vowel.

     

    Pretty simple.

    Considering the amount of posts, that won't be my last typo and I won't be editing it for you either. lmao

     



    I love it! Now he is an English teacher!

    Only thing Rusty, most of us communicate as if we are speaking. In my case I generally speak like you just for fun! So if it's not grammatically correct, you have to understand the context it's written in...some get that, some don't. It's kind of like "salary cap hell", some people thought it would ruin football, some people realize the NFL salary cap is the most fluid thing in sports.

     
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    FACT:

    THe weakers part of of our team (the defense) outperformed the stronger part (the offense) in the 2011 postseason.

    No one cares where someone is "ranked" once the postseason rolls around either. It's a round robin tourney.

    Christ, you people are morons. No one cared where our 25th ranked D was ranked in 2001 either.

    Stop pointing to stats and rankings as if it means someone for that one gameday where you need to play your best. Brady has not been his best for a LONG time in the postseason. Since 2006. One great divisional game in 2007, 2011 or 2012 ain't cutting it. It has to be the WHOLE way through. And, our D shouldn't be expected to be All World for all those games either, especially when the offense isn't helping at all. Turnovers, poor game management, bad decisions from our QB, bad execution, etc, etc.

    13, 14  or 17 points ain't winning playoff games in this era.

    Get over it once and for all just purge yourself from your delusions and mental illness on this topic.  You'll feel a lot better once you say "TOm Brady has got to be a better QB for our team".

     

     




    The weaker part of the team was EVEN WEAKER as I don't recall one RS game where they failed to get a turn over or a 3 and out or stop the other team in their own territory, even once, where they allowed a QB 75% completion and took 5 minutes a drive and 38 minutes on D.

     

    Then again, it's hard to do worse than 31st. Unfortunately they did.

     

     



    No. No one cares about rankings. INdy's 32 ranked run D in 2006 was terrible, but they turned it on in the SB.

     

     

    They won. WHy? 



    Because our D folded in the second half of the AFCCG dumbkoff.

     

     




    No. Brady had two INTs.  He was AWFUL. 0 TDs and 2 INTs at home?

     

    We deserved to lose for that. Spikes tried to bail him out. So did Moore. Moore did!

    It's kind of ironic: Since SB 42 when it was clear Brady's preferred shotgun spread has failed us, he was still trying to force it to work up until last year, but using a "2 minute" as a guise to run the shotgun.

    Go watch how he runs the offense in the first 2 series of these first 2 preseason games. Night and day.

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    And here we are again, every post,  the same Bravo Sierra. 

    When will you realize that Brady doesn't call all the shots? That the weapons he is given, how he will use them, game planning is a collective effort chaired by BB and the OC.

    if Brady was so defiant in massively deviating from plan, you would think the greatness himself would pull him or sit him. It never happened. Even after an int or 3 and out, Brady continues to go in and execute the game plan bb and the OC concocted. If you have such an issue with the shotgun spread and lack of running, look no further than your idol. 

    you need to start delineating from the plan and from the execution of the plan. You blame Brady for both. 

    I agree Brady could be sharper in the postseason, and part of the execution is on his shoulders. The ol, wr's, rb's, te's all share in the execution blame. However, pretending bb and mcd have no hand in this and laying it all at the feet of one of the greatest qb's of all time is silly. Bb shops for the groceries, develops the gameplans and runs the ship. even you can see the impact here can't you?

     

     
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    And here we are again, every post,  the same Bravo Sierra. 

     

     



    Well, Rusty is a foxtrot uniform charlie kilo india november golf - idiot.

     
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    Re: Anybody else think this may be the most talented team the Pats have had since 2007?

    How about this question:
    Did anyone back in 2007 think the Pats had a team capable of going undefeated?  I do not think so, anyway... 

    Since then we have seen wishful thinking calls for 19-0 again, yet, personnel wise, have we seen a team built better than that team?  Paper teams are one thing, how they perform is another.  We see a lot of positives so far this pre-season.  I dare say, the Pats have looked better in this pre-season than prior years, huh?

    On a last note... have we all wondered what the 2008 season may have been like if TB hadn't gotten injured? Talk about a team that was focused.  Let's see the "movie"!!!!  (-; 

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    I know it's early, but after the first two preseason games, I'm thinking this is the most talented team the Pats have had since 2007. 



    On offense, yes. WRs look better than last year's unit. O-line hasn't missed a beat. Defensively, meh.

    I'm disappointed they cut Vallone and are keeping Kelly. Vellone has looked good in preseason. Kelly has been getting pushed around in running game. Pats may want to return to the 3-4 as their basic D.

     

     
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    FACT:

    THe weakers part of of our team (the defense) outperformed the stronger part (the offense) in the 2011 postseason.

    No one cares where someone is "ranked" once the postseason rolls around either. It's a round robin tourney.

    Christ, you people are morons. No one cared where our 25th ranked D was ranked in 2001 either.

    Stop pointing to stats and rankings as if it means someone for that one gameday where you need to play your best. Brady has not been his best for a LONG time in the postseason. Since 2006. One great divisional game in 2007, 2011 or 2012 ain't cutting it. It has to be the WHOLE way through. And, our D shouldn't be expected to be All World for all those games either, especially when the offense isn't helping at all. Turnovers, poor game management, bad decisions from our QB, bad execution, etc, etc.

    13, 14  or 17 points ain't winning playoff games in this era.

    Get over it once and for all just purge yourself from your delusions and mental illness on this topic.  You'll feel a lot better once you say "TOm Brady has got to be a better QB for our team".

     

     




    The weaker part of the team was EVEN WEAKER as I don't recall one RS game where they failed to get a turn over or a 3 and out or stop the other team in their own territory, even once, where they allowed a QB 75% completion and took 5 minutes a drive and 38 minutes on D.

     

    Then again, it's hard to do worse than 31st. Unfortunately they did.

     

     



    No. No one cares about rankings. INdy's 32 ranked run D in 2006 was terrible, but they turned it on in the SB.

     

     

    They won. WHy? 



    Because our D folded in the second half of the AFCCG dumbkoff.

     

     

     




    No. Brady had two INTs.  He was AWFUL. 0 TDs and 2 INTs at home?

     

     

    We deserved to lose for that. Spikes tried to bail him out. So did Moore. Moore did!

    It's kind of ironic: Since SB 42 when it was clear Brady's preferred shotgun spread has failed us, he was still trying to force it to work up until last year, but using a "2 minute" as a guise to run the shotgun.

    Go watch how he runs the offense in the first 2 series of these first 2 preseason games. Night and day.



    And here we are again, every post,  the same Bravo Sierra. 

     

    When will you realize that Brady doesn't call all the shots? That the weapons he is given, how he will use them, game planning is a collective effort chaired by BB and the OC.

    if Brady was so defiant in massively deviating from plan, you would think the greatness himself would pull him or sit him. It never happened. Even after an int or 3 and out, Brady continues to go in and execute the game plan bb and the OC concocted. If you have such an issue with the shotgun spread and lack of running, look no further than your idol. 

    you need to start delineating from the plan and from the execution of the plan. You blame Brady for both. 

    I agree Brady could be sharper in the postseason, and part of the execution is on his shoulders. The ol, wr's, rb's, te's all share in the execution blame. However, pretending bb and mcd have no hand in this and laying it all at the feet of one of the greatest qb's of all time is silly. Bb shops for the groceries, develops the gameplans and runs the ship. even you can see the impact here can't you?

     

     




    Never, EVER said BB and McD are not involved. I know for a fact Brady said he prefers the shotgun. The other issue is McD and Brady are buddies and of similar age.

     

    It can be a problem in any business when stuff like that compromises the greater good of the team. It's not intentional. But, if you don't think BB sniffed a bit of an ego problem with Welker and the Brady/Welker bromance, we disagree.

    It's all connected.

    People want to blame BB for all of this, which is absurd. BB has tried to get Brady whatever he needs to feel as comfortable as possible in the offense Brady wants to run.

    Do you think Branch was reacquired by mistake in 2010?  I think Brady needs to be held more accountable than he has been in these recent postseasons. I don't think that's a lot to ask from our best player.

    It's like when Clemens would go into the postseason or be mediocre or bad for the Sox.  Unacceptable.

     

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    yet you never put any blame on them. Brady is your scapegoat. Show me one post amongst your thousands that casts any blame on bb? You can't because you are the washer you accuse everyone else here to be. It's so ironic that the ultimate washer calls people out the way you do.

    So what they are around the same age. I manage 70 people, some younger some older. If mcd has a leadership problem, then he has one regardless of age. Pure nonsense. If he has a leadership problem because he lets Brady influence him for the detriment of the team, bb should hire better  coordinators.

    sorry Brady preferring one thing or the other is just plain nonsense as they install a game plan specific to the team they are facing and their personnel, coupled with our best chance to win using  the personnel we have. You make it sound like Brady runs the organization and is doing whatever he wants. More nonsense. 

    hmmm branch reacquired? Ha...what about when he walked for not much more and we had to rely on bug eyes in the afccg? You are the ultimate spinster. You really should see a job in politics.

     

     
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    I know it's early, but after the first two preseason games, I'm thinking this is the most talented team the Pats have had since 2007. 

     



    On offense, yes. WRs look better than last year's unit. O-line hasn't missed a beat. Defensively, meh.

     

    I'm disappointed they cut Vallone and are keeping Kelly. Vellone has looked good in preseason. Kelly has been getting pushed around in running game. Pats may want to return to the 3-4 as their basic D.

     

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    Would you care to provide proof of/elaborate upon your claim...?

    Vallone has looked pedestrain, while Kelly has been more than impressive. 

     
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    Never, EVER said BB and McD are not involved. I know for a fact Brady said he prefers the shotgun.The other issue is McD and Brady are buddies and of similar age.

     

     

    It can be a problem in any business when stuff like that compromises the greater good of the team. It's not intentional. But, if you don't think BB sniffed a bit of an ego problem with Welker and the Brady/Welker bromance, we disagree.

    It's all connected.

    People want to blame BB for all of this, which is absurd. BB has tried to get Brady whatever he needs to feel as comfortable as possible in the offense Brady wants to run.

    Do you think Branch was reacquired by mistake in 2010?  I think Brady needs to be held more accountable than he has been in these recent postseasons. I don't think that's a lot to ask from our best player.

    It's like when Clemens would go into the postseason or be mediocre or bad for the Sox.  Unacceptable.

     

     




    You've never provided a link for that. Why keep saying it like it's fact when you don't have anything to back it up. For all we know BB prefers shotgun

     

     



    Listen, kid: I searched and searched and emailed WEEI for full access to their archives from 2010. Bedard or Manza Young would post his Dennis and Callahan transcript here, too.

     

    DO you really think I am making up the idea that I was SHOCKED Brady divulged strategic info to Dennis and Callahan on his weekly radio appearance? He said it. Trust me, he did.  Christ, you're annoying.

    In 2009 I could not figure out why he was in it so much with us losing leads and blowing games in NY, Denver, in Miami and at Indy.  All 4 games were blown because we abused the crap out of the shotgun spread.  

    It was around the time Moss was dealt. This Moss/Welker thing was the talk of our flawed offense way back in 2009 and early 2010, so Dennis and Callahan asked about why there was so much shotgun.  They asked it in the form of "do you prefer the shotgun over being under center"?

    Trust me, I read it. It exists.  Not made up.

    Then, it made sense why he would prefer it. He got HURT in 2008, so he feels safer in it.  I say, at this point, that's TOO BAD, Tom. You're costing us games with its abuse.

    Why in the F would I make this up? I read his interviews/the transcripts every Monday.

     



    I remember reading a blog post about that interview.  Brady did indeed say that.  I can't remember exactly where or when I read it, but I do remember some reporter (maybe Reiss) writing about it.

     
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    Re: Anybody else think this may be the most talented team the Pats have had since 2007?

    I stopped coming here about a year ago and I come back today and notice the arguments are still the same and nothing has changed.

     

    I like the look of the Pats so far in the preseason games but let's see where they are come regular season time. 

     
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    Re: Anybody else think this may be the most talented team the Pats have had since 2007?

    The first drive of the Tampa game was a thing of beauty. Well executed, using Develin like they used to use Heath Evans, Patrick Pass etc. Matt Chatham tweeted during the game that one of the most important things for the offense is getting 5+ yards on the ground on first down. Ridley was just getting chunks, you put yourself in second and third and managable and you're going to have success. The drive ate up about 7 minutes of clock as well. That's what I'd like to see from this offense this season. The whole run/pass ratio has been beaten to death, Brady's strange post season play, but that opening drive against Tampa was amazing. Keep that going and we'll roll.


    Defensively, Spikes was a monster blitzing. I don't know anything about the Bucs o-line but he was flying. What Brandon Spikes brings on first and second down I think is invaluable. Chandler looked like a beast. That run stuff was awesome. Good to see Logan Ryan get a pick six as well. We'll see what happens when the starters suit up for a little longer on Thursday. This team is exciting and I hope they take the "they didn't believe we could do it" attitude like Rodney had.

     
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    I stopped coming here about a year ago and I come back today and notice the arguments are still the same and nothing has changed.

     

    I like the look of the Pats so far in the preseason games but let's see where they are come regular season time. 




    Just got to put those who fight on ignore my man.  They ain't going away...  good to have you back though. 

     
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    Brady prefers the shotgun because he is lead footed...  He is slow.  He runs like he's carrying a piano and has bricks in his pants  ...  He might be the turtle champ of all time hall of fame QBs. 

    That said, I still want him running this team.  he makes up for this with brains competitiveness, and a pure throwing motion among other less tangibles.

    the shotgun has its place in this offense.  You can run the ball from the shotgun.  Its just a formation.  It doesn't make sense to bash Brady unless you have an alternative . 

     

     Its really the game plan that is at fault when the offense craps the bed.  (SB 42, 46, AFC title games etc .).  O'Brien was  pass happy drunken idiot of an OC.  Brady developed bad habits.  He was addicted to Welker . ..etc, etc.  McDaniels has more potential as an OC who can execute fundamental football , as opposed to the gimmicky O'Brien.  This year should be his proving ground.  We shall see.

    regarding the OP,  I was on the record posting in preseason of 2007 that pats would " roll in a historic way".  This year is a different feel since a lot of players are unproven , but with big upsides.   Its definitely exciting.

    Good thread.  Good to see everyone in mid season form ...lol.

     

     
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    Re: Anybody else think this may be the most talented team the Pats have had since 2007?

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    Good post.

     

     

    I feel bad for Don'tSleepOnThe Pats, but he can point to Prolate mentioning Burgess in 2009 where this thread went off the rails. Prolate has no one to blame but himself for that one.  He had a good thread to start it, but he sent it off into neverland which is what happens here.

    Huh?  Burgess was just an example of a number of "patches" BB has tried to fill holes in the talent.  That's what is different this year.  The guys aren't "patches."  Some are young and unproven, but they're guys with lots of upside and potential.  Burgess was on the downside of his career.  He was brought in to provide some pass rush and couldn't deliver because he was washed up.  He's a perfect example of the difference between the teams of the bast five years or so and today's team.  I never said bringing in Burgess was a bad decision.  We needed patches.  What's different today is we don't need patches because BB has had success bringing in enough youth with potential.  

    I made no cheapshot . . . you just wanted to start a fight.  Typical. 

    That's really why Don'tSleep has stopped coming here and that's too bad because he's a good poster.

    Anyone not knowing BB wasn't all in for 2009 isn't very bright, or trolling by saying BB thought Burgess would be some savior and long term rebuilding block at DE here.

    It's a cheap shot by Prolate. He's too intelligent and I wasn't letting that one go. Sorry.  It was a trollish addition to his follow up commentary.  There is a salary cap and there was a lockout in 2011.  He's too smart to not acknowledge those elements in his analysis.

    BB dealt Seymour, Vrable and Bruschi retired and we're all in for a SB in 2009? Really? What FAs on the market were available to replace those kinds of players? Answer? No one.

    Unknown economic environment, lockout in 2011, needing to pay Mankins, Wilfork and Brady in 2010 and we can be aggressive in FA in 2010 or 2011?

    I think it's disingenuous to come in here and tell BB that he doesn't have the right as a GM to rebuild the right way, because it doesn't appease a fan's childish demands of an immediate, overnight SB team.  We would rather he did what the Jets did with huge holes all over their roster which makes them masquerade as an above .500 team, when they really aren't? Mt Hurl fell for it. He said he wanted BB to do it and destroy our team for the future. Why any Pats fan would want that, I have no idea.

    It just doesn't happen.  I think it's amazing BB did what he did as coach and in the draft/trades in 2010, winning coach of the year, having the balls to deal Moss with better results, and to have us in the SB with such a young team off a lockout with no camp???? That was incredible.

    Meanwhile, that group of Prolate's gush over Brady all year long, only to go quiet when he sucks or is mediocre for us in Brady's preferred shotgun spread base in the postseason. Or, Brady's preference for the hurry up as a gimmick.

    Neither are base offenses. They're wrinkles.  And this goes back YEARS. 

    We should be celebrating the tweaks from BB as a GM this offseason, not arguing back and forth, because it appears to me he's made the final tweaks to address both sides of the ball where we had some flaws in recent years.   I think that is fair, but it also needs to be acknowledged he wasn't trying to go for it all in a small window in 2009 and 2010.  Just get over it.

    1. He could not do that.

    2. If he had done it, some key players we count on right now, wouldn't be here.

    But, mentioning Burgess from 2009? That was a cheapshot by Prolate. 

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    Re: Anybody else think this may be the most talented team the Pats have had since 2007?

    Slight caution:  Philly just changed their coach and Tampa was never known as a defensive powerhouse last year when they changed their coach. So don't bet the house just on Tom Brady's cutting through the defenses day after day like a knife through butter.  The same goes for Mallett's and Tebow's great practices.

     

    Also, there's a trend in the NFL of throwing preseason games.  Neither side wants to win, but everybody wants to play well until they goof up royally.  It's becoming near to the game of Cricket as played in Papua New Guinea.  Being polite is the essence of the game, not winning, so by agreed social custom the home team must always win but not by too much.  Also, both teams must dance and sing overtly sexual dances for each other's village.  I don't know if modern endzone celebrations rise to that level.

     
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