Anybody else think this may be the most talented team the Pats have had since 2007?

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    Re: Anybody else think this may be the most talented team the Pats have had since 2007?

    That's funny Russ. I was under the assumption bb and the pats are trying to win a SB every year .

     
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    The first drive of the Tampa game was a thing of beauty. Well executed, using Develin like they used to use Heath Evans, Patrick Pass etc. Matt Chatham tweeted during the game that one of the most important things for the offense is getting 5+ yards on the ground on first down. Ridley was just getting chunks, you put yourself in second and third and managable and you're going to have success. The drive ate up about 7 minutes of clock as well. That's what I'd like to see from this offense this season. The whole run/pass ratio has been beaten to death, Brady's strange post season play, but that opening drive against Tampa was amazing. Keep that going and we'll roll.


    Defensively, Spikes was a monster blitzing. I don't know anything about the Bucs o-line but he was flying. What Brandon Spikes brings on first and second down I think is invaluable. Chandler looked like a beast. That run stuff was awesome. Good to see Logan Ryan get a pick six as well. We'll see what happens when the starters suit up for a little longer on Thursday. This team is exciting and I hope they take the "they didn't believe we could do it" attitude like Rodney had.

     




    I agree with Chatham, but against the good front 7s, which is what TB's is, if we come out with the spread, we never even have a chance to establish the run.

     

    You have to commit to the run vs the better front 7s, because it opens up the playbook. 

    That's been my whole argument here for years. I can tell if we might lose a game just by how we come out early in the game on offesnse. I am not kidding you.

    We play with fire when we use finesse vs a good or great front 7, and we usually lose, with everyone coming running in to blame our D, which is beyond old at this point.

    I can look at our schedule right now and tell you the teams we can throw on with shotgun spreads and it not be a huge factor.

    Bills and Jets? Sure. No problem. Neither team has much of a pass rushing strength and they have sketchy LBs and DBs.

    @ Atlanta? We must run the ball early and often in that game and we might win it.   If we don't, we will likely lose it.

    To me, it's so simple.  You up your odds to win with a larger playbook at the disposal of a Tom Brady.

    Subbing in your RB to pretend to run in the 3rd qtr is too easy to tell what is coming and you cannot establish a run from the shotgun either.

    Ridley/Bolden  (75% use, hammer the rock, only sub these guys on and off if they need a rest, but use them the same)

    Vereen/Blount (25% use or in specific situations like shotgun spreads or wrinkles)*

    Now, that doesn't mean I don't want Vereen in there as a slot WR against an LB.*

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    Great point about the ATL game. That is gonna be a huge road game and I agree, they need to go in there and hit them in the mouth. This team cannot be out physical'd in big games anymore. That has to be a point of emphasis.


    The Seattle game last year is the perfect example. D played sketchy at times, gave up big pass plays, but our offense pissed that one away and Brady threw upwards of 60 times with the lead. Our defense in the third Q was getting to Wilson, I believe Jones had 2 sacks and Vince may have had one as well. They were put in bad situations. A lot of people will look at the D being in base in the final minute of the fourth, but against Lynch, and a running QB you take your chances. I look at the fact that we ran for close to 300 yards against Denver and then turned around to throw it 55 plus against a defense who is close to the best in the league against the pass.

     
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    I like the offenses they're running so far in the preseason.  Brady lining up under center more is a nice sight to see.  The running game is a strength of this offense now and needs to be utilized more.  That's the big difference between having Bill O'Brien and Josh McDaniels as the OCs.  O'Brien was too pass happy because he wasn't creative enough.  McDaniels knew he had a gem of an offense in 2007 but that the play calling in the Super Bowl left a lot to be desired.  I think he's a better OC now than he was back then.  If Brady spreads the ball around more like he did in the Super Bowl winning days, esepcially with his experience, he's gonna have more success especially against the tougher defenses come playoff time.  And please use the running game.  We have a stable of very good running backs with a terrific offensive line.  That opens up the playaction more and Brady is deadly with that.  I think he's more deadly with that than the shotgun spread formations.

     

    As a side note, I think a lot of you are smart football fans and of course there are a few trolls but making arguments for why the defense stunk in a key moment or why Brady has had poor outings in the last 3 AFC title games isn't what I would call trolling.  It's just observation and analysis.  Stats and facts can back up those arguments and I have seen quite a few of you guys use facts to help the argument.  If you ignore the facts and continue to harp that you're right and the other person is wrong, you're getting nowhere and quite frankly, not helping your argument at all.  Let's try to get along, guys.  We're all Pats fans here.  You guys seem like good people.  You just get a little testy in your arguments.  :-)

     
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    I will just bring up the phrase, Paper Champs!  Lets not be the team that wins it all in August like the Jets have done. I like the team, I like the youth, etc. BUT noone has any idea how its all gonna look. I have seen too many loaded teams to disrespect them by saying this team is better before playing one preseason game. Too many questions. Sure the rooks have come along well, but once the lights come on and gameplans are in, lets see how they perform week to week. Who are our tight ends on opening day? What have they done in the league? I am excited that our D should be better, but noone knows how much better. I will temper my predictions until after the 1st quarter(1st 4 games)
     but im excited because atleast its something different so we arent being insane anymore and going in the same way we did the last 4 years. Be happy but be patient and expect growing pains. If we come out like world beaters, Great, But I want postseason success. Gonna be a while before we can compare this team to others. Just Enoy it!

     

    "Take care of my B*tch, I may need her back in a couple years"

    Brady to Manning after Wes signed with Denver

     
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    I will just bring up the phrase, Paper Champs!  Lets not be the team that wins it all in August like the Jets have done. I like the team, I like the youth, etc. BUT noone has any idea how its all gonna look. I have seen too many loaded teams to disrespect them by saying this team is better before playing one preseason game. Too many questions. Sure the rooks have come along well, but once the lights come on and gameplans are in, lets see how they perform week to week. Who are our tight ends on opening day? What have they done in the league? I am excited that our D should be better, but noone knows how much better. I will temper my predictions until after the 1st quarter(1st 4 games)
     but im excited because atleast its something different so we arent being insane anymore and going in the same way we did the last 4 years. Be happy but be patient and expect growing pains. If we come out like world beaters, Great, But I want postseason success. Gonna be a while before we can compare this team to others. Just Enoy it!

     

    "Take care of my B*tch, I may need her back in a couple years"

    Brady to Manning after Wes signed with Denver

     



    Nice to see you remembering to take your meds

     

     Solid post from you.




    Stop the M -F'n Presses!  I appreciate the kind words, but im consistent. You have been the one acting like you smoked a lace dubie of hocus pocus. I'll send some better bud your way. Nothing but trash out in N.C.. Where u staying? Shall I google the most expensive condos in the best area or you near the Panthers stadium?

     
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    Re: Anybody else think this may be the most talented team the Pats have had since 2007?

    Tough to compare to a 14-2 and a 13-3 team. 

    The team has a better overall strategy this year.  BB has been evolving the hurry-up offense and it was murder last year, despite the team having no "X" wide receivers at all. 

    QB is about perfect.  If Tebow slightly works out this year (if he either doesn't get cut or if he gets called back in November) various opponents will be using the Lord's name in one form or another, because it's like a pitcher adding a good curve ball.  I have no doubt that BB will use him in obvious running situations, when his passing liabilities don't add up to a hill of beans.

    "X" receivers are better this year than since 2009 when Randy Moss stretched the field, and certainly better than last year when opponents crowded the line.  KT beats Dobson.

    Slot receivers are deep and good.  For a while, Brady had Wes Welker and then Julian Edelman could sort of play in a pinch.  This year, Boyce wants to get behind Amendola.  I suspect that Brady won't lead Amendola into any linebackers and get him injured, the way his previous QB did when he alone was the team's only offense on the field.

    Tight end is just a wonder to behold.  Ballard plus Suds, no draft choice wasted on either of them, almost equals Hernandez.  Gronk might be on the field by game 4, or they might wait until game 7 to allow a 54th player to slide by the September 1 deadline.

    The O-line is solid.  The running backs are solid and deep.

    The D-line is better than last year, with a healthy Chandler Jones and Tommy Kelly is a find.  Nink wants the other job, and there are substitutes behind the starters too.  Linebacker is both solid and deeper.  

    The defensive backfield is ordinary, which is better than "a little weak", which would be typical.  Aqib Talib is solid.  McCourty is solid.  Dennard is solid and he will beat the drunk driving rap and stay out of jail.  The Rutgers third rounders both have a pulse and are getting a surprising number of reps with the starters.  Behind them is good depth, although there's not exactly a Revis Island in the bunch.

    I can't say "most talented".  Losing Hernandez was a blow.  Losing Gronk for a little while is rough.  Going from Wes Welker to Amendola was a downgrade.   I'll only say "as talented". 

     
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    The first drive of the Tampa game was a thing of beauty. Well executed, using Develin like they used to use Heath Evans, Patrick Pass etc. Matt Chatham tweeted during the game that one of the most important things for the offense is getting 5+ yards on the ground on first down. Ridley was just getting chunks, you put yourself in second and third and managable and you're going to have success. The drive ate up about 7 minutes of clock as well. That's what I'd like to see from this offense this season. The whole run/pass ratio has been beaten to death, Brady's strange post season play, but that opening drive against Tampa was amazing. Keep that going and we'll roll.


    Defensively, Spikes was a monster blitzing. I don't know anything about the Bucs o-line but he was flying. What Brandon Spikes brings on first and second down I think is invaluable. Chandler looked like a beast. That run stuff was awesome. Good to see Logan Ryan get a pick six as well. We'll see what happens when the starters suit up for a little longer on Thursday. This team is exciting and I hope they take the "they didn't believe we could do it" attitude like Rodney had.

     

     




    I agree with Chatham, but against the good front 7s, which is what TB's is, if we come out with the spread, we never even have a chance to establish the run.

     

     

    You have to commit to the run vs the better front 7s, because it opens up the playbook. 

    That's been my whole argument here for years. I can tell if we might lose a game just by how we come out early in the game on offesnse. I am not kidding you.

    We play with fire when we use finesse vs a good or great front 7, and we usually lose, with everyone coming running in to blame our D, which is beyond old at this point.

    I can look at our schedule right now and tell you the teams we can throw on with shotgun spreads and it not be a huge factor.

    Bills and Jets? Sure. No problem. Neither team has much of a pass rushing strength and they have sketchy LBs and DBs.

    @ Atlanta? We must run the ball early and often in that game and we might win it.   If we don't, we will likely lose it.

    To me, it's so simple.  You up your odds to win with a larger playbook at the disposal of a Tom Brady.

    Subbing in your RB to pretend to run in the 3rd qtr is too easy to tell what is coming and you cannot establish a run from the shotgun either.

    Ridley/Bolden  (75% use, hammer the rock, only sub these guys on and off if they need a rest, but use them the same)

    Vereen/Blount (25% use or in specific situations like shotgun spreads or wrinkles)*

    Now, that doesn't mean I don't want Vereen in there as a slot WR against an LB.*

     

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    Great point about the ATL game. That is gonna be a huge road game and I agree, they need to go in there and hit them in the mouth. This team cannot be out physical'd in big games anymore. That has to be a point of emphasis.

     


    The Seattle game last year is the perfect example. D played sketchy at times, gave up big pass plays, but our offense pissed that one away and Brady threw upwards of 60 times with the lead. Our defense in the third Q was getting to Wilson, I believe Jones had 2 sacks and Vince may have had one as well. They were put in bad situations. A lot of people will look at the D being in base in the final minute of the fourth, but against Lynch, and a running QB you take your chances. I look at the fact that we ran for close to 300 yards against Denver and then turned around to throw it 55 plus against a defense who is close to the best in the league against the pass.

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    This team is BUILT to run the ball with a great stable of 5 backs (Ridley, Blount, vereen, Bolden, and tebow) that can pound the rock...  Behind a massive and gelling OL, TE group.

     

    Brady is older and slower.  HAND THE BALL OFF.  It just makes so much sense.  Preserve the guy.  Go back to the glory days  of Dillon and Weis.  Any QB is better off with a good running game.  the defense benefits too by taking time off the clock, shortening the game.  The pass happy offense had its day when it was new and different.  The shotgun would dominate certain teams. 

     Now teams are built to stop it.  San Fran mauled Welker and Lloyd at the line and got away with it.  the pass rush finished the job.  Other teams like Seattle copied, etc.  And there was no plan B.  Weis always had a plan B, or C and made game plan changes in real time.  Pass happy got predictable. 

    This team is showing signs of getting past their stale tendencies.  The tight end dominant offense was the first step in that direction.  Now a more dominant run offense can be the final piece to the puzzle, and it will be great to see.  

    BB seems to be stacking this team in the right places.  This could be another epic year for the ages.  Gotta love this team .  It is definitely not boring. 

     

     

     

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