Anyone we can trade for to improve the secondary?

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    Anyone we can trade for to improve the secondary?

    Lets forget that it can be fixed. I just don't want it to be a given that every long ball is a success. 

    We have had a horrible secondary for like 8 years now. 

    Two things are clear.

    1. We don't believe in paying up for Safeties and CBs. Infact Belichick thinks that leaguewide CB rates have gone bonkers and believes CBs are way overpaid. 

    2. We suck at fixing from the draft. We have picked a Safety or CB or both in 1st or 2nd round in each of last 6 years and have nothing to show for it. Look at these draft picks.

    2007 Brandon Merriweather Rd 1 - Serviceable - Released after rookie contract
    2008 Terrence Wheatley Rd 2 - Bust
    2009 Patrick Chung  Rd 1 - Serviceable - Will probably be released end of this year
    2009 Darius Butler Rd 2 - Bust
    2010 Devin McCourty Rd 1 - Borderline Bust
    2011 Ras-I-Dowling Rd2 - Unknown but haven't seen anything yet
    2012 Tavon Wilson Rd 2 - Unknown but haven't seen anything yet

    So we suck at drafting these. We refuse to pay market rates for these. What the hell can we do?

     
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    Re: Anyone we can trade for to improve the secondary?

    score in the redzone

     
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    Forget it even if the best safety or CB were available BB wouldn't go for it because he won't pay for decent secondary players. Been that way since he let Ty Law go. Now that Brady has slowed up a bit and the Oline has problems the D problems of not being able to get the key stop when required are magnified.

     
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    Re: Anyone we can trade for to improve the secondary?

    So maybe we should get these CBs and safeties to blitz every play. I mean, we can't stop the pass once the ball is in the air. So maybe we just need to blitz to stop the ball from going in the air. 

     
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    Re: Anyone we can trade for to improve the secondary?

    The problem is not personnel.

    The problem is the vanilla - no blitz - no pressure BB defense.  There aren't any DBs who can succeed in the BB system.

     

     

     
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    I'm pretty sure we need a new secondary coach too. It seems like these guys regress after coming out from college not improve. I know for one that McCourty use to look back for the ball now never does. The only DB on the team that actually looks back is Dennard and he's a rook. No one else looks back. That should be coaching 101 but it looks like they are being trained to not look back and try to face gaurd

     
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    Re: Anyone we can trade for to improve the secondary?

    The team needs a lot of new coaches.

     
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    Re: Anyone we can trade for to improve the secondary?

    In response to Schumpeters-Ghost's comment:

    The problem is not personnel.

    The problem is the vanilla - no blitz - no pressure BB defense.  There aren't any DBs who can succeed in the BB system.

     



    YOUR EXACTLY RIGHT SCHUMP!! 

    The secondary isn't going to change, they need to get after the QB with the front 7, to help out the secondary.  It's probably the best way at this point to help out the secondary....The Defense has NO imagination to get after the QB....Not sure how many more games like this BB needs to go thru before HE changes this up some! C'mon man....

     
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    Re: Anyone we can trade for to improve the secondary?

    Tom Brady SUCKED? Really dude? Sucked so bad that we had a 23-10 lead in the 4th quarter. Yes it was not his finest game, but HE didn't let the other team come back and score 14 more points to win the game in the final 8 minutes of the ball game.

     
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    In response to Wilforkfitinham's comment:

    Tom Brady SUCKED? Really dude? Sucked so bad that we had a 23-10 lead in the 4th quarter. Yes it was not his finest game, but HE didn't let the other team come back and score 14 more points to win the game in the final 8 minutes of the ball game.




    Tom did suck this game, but there still isn't another QB I would want on the team. I'm sorry but 2 intentional grounding calls really. 1 of which cost them 3 points at the half. Then 2 ints, one in the end zone and the other on Sea's side of the ball. The one in the end zone was at least another 3 points because of where they were in field goal position. It was just poor decision making on Bradys part. The first int is excussible but there is no excuse for 2 intentional grounding penalties and that second int. Not to mention the 1 and 6 in the red zone. That shouldn't have to this O regardless of conditions.

    Brady just simply had an off day like he has every so often and the rest of the team from the coaching staff to ST (punt coverage really) to the D couldn't pick it up just like in recent years

     
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    Re: Anyone we can trade for to improve the secondary?

    In response to PatsEng's comment:

    I'm pretty sure we need a new secondary coach too. It seems like these guys regress after coming out from college not improve. I know for one that McCourty use to look back for the ball now never does. The only DB on the team that actually looks back is Dennard and he's a rook. No one else looks back. That should be coaching 101 but it looks like they are being trained to not look back and try to face gaurd



    secondary coach... that's the key. how many DBs have they had back there? not one seems to have worked out well. and yes, the fact that everyone has the same bad habit of not looking back tells you that there is something wrong with the instruction -- either the DBs are instructed to play the same way DBs played before the re-emphasis on PI rules or they are not getting instruction on technique at all. 

    contrast that versus the OL where it does not matter who steps up, it seems like a smooth transition everytime.

     

     
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