Are Patriots Laying in the Weeds for Osi?

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    Are Patriots Laying in the Weeds for Osi?

         All this talk about the Patriots switching to a 4-3 defense is leading me to believe that the Patriots are laying in the weeds, hoping to acquire NY Giants' disgruntled DE, Osi Umenyiora: http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/5231/schefter-rumblings-that-osi-is-on-the-bubble 

         Though Osi has two more years left on his contract with the Giants, he's seeking a substantial raise. The Giants have given him permission to go out and seek a trade. But, with their current asking price being a #1 draft choice...that's not going to happen: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/2011/08/01/2011-08-01_giants_give_osi_umenyiora_ok_to_seek_trade_big_blue_wants_at_least_a_first_round.html 

         But, if the Giants lower their demands to a second rounder, the Patriots could strike. Remember, the Pats own the Raiders second round pick in 2012.

         Can you imagine a front line of Wilfolk, Haynesworth, Umenyiora, and, say, Matt Roth? That four man front should remedy the Pats' pass-rushing woes.

         Here's a bio. on Osi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osi_Umenyiora  
     
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    sorry TP don't see it.

    Giving up a #1 pick then Osi wants a 4yr 40mil contract?  Not a very Pats like move to give up all that for a pass rushing specialist who's a liability in the run game
     
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    I don't know how they handle the contract he wants.  Nothing would surprise me, but I can't figure out how they can afford it.
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    if they can afford to give matt light a raise at his age then they can afford to trade for osi and give him a new contract.
     
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    As much as I would like to see this happen, I just don't see it.  He wants too much and apparently 5 teams are showing interest in him.  Pats aren't one of those 5 times.
     
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    As much as I would like to see this happen, I just don't see it.  He wants too much and apparently 5 teams are showing interest in him.  Pats aren't one of those 5 times.
    Posted by BradyMossFan

    Oh please! You stated that as if it was fact! Gee someone speulated 5 teams and didnt mention the Pats,so there could be no interest at all because BB tells everyone who he's interested in!...........dillhole
     
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    Re: Are Patriots Laying in the Weeds for Osi?

    It's nice to dream about right now. Guess anything's possible. Lets see what happens when the Giants change their demands.
     
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    Jets will give a number 1 for him. They don't care about the future.
     
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    Osi’s agent running out of time to find a trade partner

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    The Giants have given the agent for defensive end Osi Umenyiora a window of opportunity for finding a trade partner.

    Eventually, that window will close.

    It’s not going to be long now,’’ agent Tony Agnone told Paul Schwartz of the New York Post.

    Agnone told Schwartz that he has spoken to 21 teams about a possible trade.  “Just trying to convince them to give up that elusive first-round pick,’’ Agnone said.  “Still working on it.’’

    An equal if not bigger impediment surely will be finding a team willing to give Umenyiora a contract in the same ballpark as the one signed last week by Panthers defensive end Charles Johnson.  A one-year full-time starter, Johnson parlayed 11.5 sacks into a six-year, $76 million deal, with a $30 million signing bonus and a total of $32 million guaranteed.

    “How does a guy who had one good year [no disrespect to Charles Johnson] sign a deal and make more than both me and [Justin] Tuck combined?” Umenyiora wrote in an e-mail to the Associated Press on Monday.  “It’s not right.”

    What Umenyiora apparently doesn’t realize is that public complaints of this nature won’t do much to soften up a new team’s wallet.  Umenyiora has been unhappy with his current deal since not long after he signed it.  Even if Umenyiora is content with his new contract if he ever gets to a new city, it’s fair for his prospective new team to wonder what else he’ll complain about — especially if he receives the kind of contract that makes him essentially bulletproof.

    Bottom line?  He has about as much of a shot at Charles Johnson money asAhmad Bradshaw had at getting DeAngelo Williams money.

    And as to Umenyiora’s assertion that contracts aren’t a two-way street, with teams able to walk away but players forced to stick it out, that’s an issue the players could have pursued in the recently-completed CBA talks.  But the players have recently reaffirmed their commitment to the system about which Umenyiora is complaining, and Umenyiora specifically signed off on the one-way nature of player contracts when he applied his John Hancock to the settlement of the Brady class action lawsuit.

    That makes it very hard for his complaints to gain any traction whatsoever.

     
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    i'd give up a 2nd and offer osi 6 million per year, but outside of that i don't think he would be worth it. both the G men and Osi would have to agree with it.
     
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    ROFL now Osi wants a deal better then what Johnson got? Does he realize that Car only gave him that to retain Johnson while bringing them closer to the cap floor.

    Anyone still interested in Osi for a 1st or even a 2nd and a contract around $76mil with $30mil guarantied?
     
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    lol, he wont be a Patriots if he want anything CLOSE to Johnson money.

    At first, I wanted Osi A LOT but after reading through everything, I see an organization that wants a lot in trade compensation and a player who is all about the money.

    1.BB has never traded a 1st round pick for a player
    2. A contract close to what Johnson got is FAR from good value, something BB covets.
     
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         All this talk about the Patriots switching to a 4-3 defense is leading me to believe that the Patriots are laying in the weeds, hoping to acquire NY Giants' disgruntled DE, Osi Umenyiora: http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/5231/schefter-rumblings-that-osi-is-on-the-bubble        Though Osi has two more years left on his contract with the Giants, he's seeking a substantial raise. The Giants have given him permission to go out and seek a trade. But, with their current asking price being a #1 draft choice...that's not going to happen: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/2011/08/01/2011-08-01_giants_give_osi_umenyiora_ok_to_seek_trade_big_blue_wants_at_least_a_first_round.html        But, if the Giants lower their demands to a second rounder, the Patriots could strike. Remember, the Pats own the Raiders second round pick in 2012.      Can you imagine a front line of Wilfolk, Haynesworth, Umenyiora, and, say, Matt Roth? That four man front should remedy the Pats' pass-rushing woes.      Here's a bio. on Osi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osi_Umenyiora   
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         Carolina DE Charles Johnson parlayed one good season into a 6 year, $76mil. deal, with $32mil. guaranteed, After seeing this, you can understand why Osi Umenyiora, who is scheduled to earn $3.1mil. this year, and $3.9mil. next year, is demanding a new deal: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/785893-osi-umenyiora-is-he-worth-the-giant-distraction

         Do the Giants ignore him, and hope that he will put aside his unhappiness and play on...or do the G-men move him out of fear that Umenyiora will just go through the motions due to his unhappiness? Currently, they are asking for a #1 draft choice. But, no team is going to spend the dollars to redo Osi's deal and part with a #1 pick, too.

         It seems that the Giants will have no choice but to lower their trade demands. If the Umenyiora situation continues to sour, what should the Giants do then...release him?
     
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    TP - Osi is smart enough to realize any huge waves or lack of effort on his part is going to leave a sour taste in other GM's. If he wants a big payday he will hold out until the season then play his butt off to prove he deserves the massive contract. Teams are much more willing to trade a 1st after the season then before the season.
     
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    TP - Osi is smart enough to realize any huge waves or lack of effort on his part is going to leave a sour taste in other GM's. If he wants a big payday he will hold out until the season then play his butt off to prove he deserves the massive contract. Teams are much more willing to trade a 1st after the season then before the season.
    Posted by PatsEng


         The problem with finishing out his deal is that he'll be 32 when that happens. No one is going to give a 32 year old DE a lucrative, long term deal. Holding out, or somehow forcing a trade now, appears to be his only option. 

         If Umenyiora dogged it, or held out, forcing the G-men to release him, there would still be at least 20 teams interested in talking to him, and paying him. As we well know, good pass-rushers are worth their weight in gold.    
     
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    Hey there Tex! Long time no speak. You raise an interesting question about Osi. What is he worth? To me quite a bit.
    I know the rather steep asking price is a first round pick, give it. There is not one future player who can help us get to the Super Bowl more than Asi for this year and the next two or so. He brings attitude, swagger and savvy that few possess.
    We have two second rounders next year as it currently stands. I say pull the trigger and let the bean counters figure it out. Heck half the vets would line up tomorrow to get the cap space needed for this guy.
    Swaying palms and rum with lime and coconut water otherwise Texas. Little blow to our east, hope it brings us rain. Speaking of rain did your area in Texas get a soaking from the last system?
    All the best
     
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    what I'm saying TP is that at the beginning of a season no team wants to trade a #1 pick. However, at the end of this season it would be easier for the Giants to deal Osi and find a suitor. Teams appear more willing to deal higher picks at the end of the year then the beginning. If Osi holds out until game 1 he makes his point that he would do it again but shows other teams he's not one to dog a season just to get his freedom (which only enhances his value imo). If they can't find a suitor right now it's in his best interest to hold out the pre-season then play his butt of during the season and try to work out a trade during the off-season
     
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    Well it looks like someone wants him bad. There's a report that he'll be traded by the end of the week
     
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    Hey there Tex! Long time no speak. You raise an interesting question about Osi. What is he worth? To me quite a bit. I know the rather steep asking price is a first round pick, give it. There is not one future player who can help us get to the Super Bowl more than Asi for this year and the next two or so. He brings attitude, swagger and savvy that few possess. We have two second rounders next year as it currently stands. I say pull the trigger and let the bean counters figure it out. Heck half the vets would line up tomorrow to get the cap space needed for this guy. Swaying palms and rum with lime and coconut water otherwise Texas. Little blow to our east, hope it brings us rain. Speaking of rain did your area in Texas get a soaking from the last system? All the best
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    I'd say offer a conditional 1st rounder, if Osi gets 10 sacks in the regular season - 1st round, 5-9 second round, below 5 third round. Giants might not like it, but gives them a shot at a 1st... no one is going to give up a first.
     
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    Re: Are Patriots Laying in the Weeds for Osi?

    Giants are now asking for a second rounder and 5 teams are intersted, NE being one of them.  While I don't doubt BB would flip a second round pick for this level talent, I can't see how they can pay him what he is looking for. 
     
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    Re: Are Patriots Laying in the Weeds for Osi?

         As I suggested they would earlier today, the Giants have dropped their asking price to a second round pick. Both the Ravens and Patriots are rumored to be highly interested. That second round pick that the Pats' stole from Uncle Al and thge Raiders could net them their pass-rusher: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/03/report-giants-drop-price-tag-for-osi/
     
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