Are Patriots Laying in the Weeds for Osi?

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    I really hope you are right TexasPat3!  I would love to see him as a Patriot.  Word is though that the Ravens brass are pushing for this so if BB doesn't act fast he could be gone.  That is of course if BB is as interested as us fans are.
     
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    [QUOTE]Hey there Tex! Long time no speak. You raise an interesting question about Osi. What is he worth? To me quite a bit. I know the rather steep asking price is a first round pick, give it.
     
    RESPONSE: How are things in paradise, my friend! It won't be necessary for the Patriots to trade a #1 draft choice for Osi...as the Giants have dropped their demands to a second rounder. But, I agree with you...this is a trade the Patriots must make. They are in direct competition with the Baltimore Ravens for his services. They own Oakland's 2nd round pick next year, which should be more valuable than the Raven's second rounder. Throw in a 3rd rounder too...and get this done!  

    There is not one future player who can help us get to the Super Bowl more than Osi for this year and the next two or so. He brings attitude, swagger and savvy that few possess. We have two second rounders next year as it currently stands. I say pull the trigger and let the bean counters figure it out. Heck half the vets would line up tomorrow to get the cap space needed for this guy.
     
    RESPONSE: Amen, brother. This is a golden opportunity for the Pats to set themselves apart from the remaining AFC teams, including those lovable Jets. 

    Swaying palms and rum with lime and coconut water otherwise Texas. Little blow to our east, hope it brings us rain. Speaking of rain did your area in Texas get a soaking from the last system?
     
    RESPONSE: Unfortunately, not a drop! Man, do we need some rain!

    All the best

    RESPONSE: The same to you, my friend!
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    [QUOTE]Well it looks like someone wants him bad. There's a report that he'll be traded by the end of the week
    Posted by PatsEng[/QUOTE]

         Look what Julius Peppers did for the Bears last year. This is a golden opportunity for the Patriots to land that elusive pass-rusher, and set themselves apart as the team to beat in the AFC. Salary cap be damned...the Patriots need to find a way to get this done.
     
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         Osi a Patriot? Here are some articles on the subject:

    1.) http://bleacherreport.com/articles/788318-nfl-rumors-could-new-england-land-osi-umenyiora-in-a-trade-with-the-giants;

    2.) http://www.nesn.com/2011/08/osi-umenyiora-unlikely-to-become-a-patriot-as-bill-belichick-rarely-goes-after-elite-pass-rushers.html;;

    3.) http://musketfire.com/2011/08/02/osi-umenyiora-a-fit-for-the-patriots-according-to-nfl-analyst/;

    4.) http://sportsofboston.com/2011/08/02/osi-umenyiora-available-would-deal-to-patriots-be-possible/
     
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    Thanks TexasPat for posting those links.  Good reads!
     
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    We can't afford the ridiculous price this guy will cost. Giving a high draft pick for the opportunity to pay him megabucks is what stupid teams do.

    Belichick isn't that stupid.
     
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    I still don't see it TP

    Peppers was a 3 down DL and has helped anchor a Bears line. Osi is almost exclusively a pass rusher. He's been a liability in the run game so that makes him a 1-2 down player who can and does get taken out of games by good teams.

    If he just wanted a trade then BB's been more then willing to trade a 2nd in the past for top end talent (Welker and Dillon) but they also came in for cheap.

    From reports the low end deal Osi wants is 4yrs at $40mil and looking for a Johnson deal $72mil with $30mil guarantied. I just can't see that happening. Heck, even AD didn't get that type of deal and they are still wincing at that one.

    Why do I have a feeling someone is floating the Pats name out there just to keep the asking price high and drum up some more suitors.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Are Patriots Laying in the Weeds for Osi? :      Look what Julius Peppers did for the Bears last year. This is a golden opportunity for the Patriots to land that elusive pass-rusher, and set themselves apart as the team to beat in the AFC. Salary cap be damned...the Patriots need to find a way to get this done.
    Posted by TexasPat3[/QUOTE]

    He's not as good as Peppers and doesn't even help stop the run. His own teamate Justin Tuck is a better player than him.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Are Patriots Laying in the Weeds for Osi? : He's not as good as Peppers and doesn't even help stop the run. His own teamate Justin Tuck is a better player than him.
    Posted by tompenny[/QUOTE]
    Are you serious?! He has a teammate better than him?! Well screw that! I dont want some teams second best player! Forget it!
     
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    [QUOTE]We can't afford the ridiculous price this guy will cost. Giving a high draft pick for the opportunity to pay him megabucks is what stupid teams do. Belichick isn't that stupid.
    Posted by BabeParilli[/QUOTE]

         You were the one complaining the loudest about how weak the Pats' "D" is, and about their enimic pass rush. You were also the one complaining about hoarding draft picks for the future, when the clock is running on Tom Brady's career. This is a golden opportunity for the Patriots. Getting Osi solves their pass-rush troubles.  

         Of course, the Pats' won't make the trade until they're able to reach terms on a contract with Osi...who has been given permission to talk to oither teams. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Are Patriots Laying in the Weeds for Osi? : He's not as good as Peppers and doesn't even help stop the run. His own teamate Justin Tuck is a better player than him.
    Posted by tompenny[/QUOTE]

         No, Osi isn't better than Peppers. But, he's a first rate pass-rusher...which is just what the doctor ordered for the Pats. As for Justin Tuck, no way he's a better player than Osi. He's benefitted for years from Osi's presence. Umenyiora will command constant double-teams on passing plays.
     
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         The Patriots need to bring in Osi, and go to a 4-3 defense. With Osi in tow, Mike Wright could line up in the rotation as a DE or DT, along with Eric Moore, Ron Brace goes in as a DT. The Pats can bring in another 4-3 DE candidate. Also, in a 4-3, suddenly the Pats have super depth at LB.

         Can you imagine rookie LT Anthony Castonzo trying to keep Osi off ol' Horseface...or Pittsburgh's LT trying to protect Big Ben...and can you envision anymore of those irritating 120 plus pass-rating games from the likes of Mark Sanchez, with Osi breathing down his neck?

         The Pats need to get this done.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Are Patriots Laying in the Weeds for Osi? :      No, Osi isn't better than Peppers. But, he's a first rate pass-rusher...which is just what the doctor ordered for the Pats. As for Justin Tuck, no way he's a better player than Osi. He's benefitted for years from Osi's presence. Umenyiora will command constant double-teams on passing plays.
    Posted by TexasPat3[/QUOTE]

    I would rather have a player that isn't below average at a whole aspect of defense in stopping the run. You think BB is going to pay big bucks for a 1 dimensional player. Highly unlikely. If that's all they wanted they should have paid Jenkins like 5 mil per like the Eagles did.
     
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    [QUOTE]     The Patriots need to bring in Osi, and go to a 4-3 defense. With Osi in tow, Mike Wright could line up in the rotation as a DE or DT, along with Eric Moore, Ron Brace goes in as a DT. The Pats can bring in another 4-3 DE candidate. Also, in a 4-3, suddenly the Pats have super depth at LB.      Can you imagine rookie LT Anthony Castonzo trying to keep Osi off ol' Horseface...or Pittsburgh's LT trying to protect Big Ben...and can you envision anymore of those irritating 120 plus pass-rating games from the likes of Mark Sanchez, with Osi breathing down his neck?      The Pats need to get this done.
    Posted by TexasPat3[/QUOTE]

    We all fall in love with top end pass rushers but they haven't worked out for us in the past (Colvin with injury concerns before joining Pats, AD with the big contract) and giving him the money he wants would hamstring us in the future if he gets injured or doesn't perform.

    Osi has injury concerns with his hip (a pass rusher with a hip concern?) which means you don't want to invest long term guarantied cash, he's also a liability in the run meaning he's a pass rushing specialist which you don't invest a lot of dollars in. If it was just the pick and his current contract I would be all for it but he wants a big payday for a player that might see 20-40 snaps a game who has injury issues recently. Now I understand those 20-40 snaps will be very productive but when has BB invested that much money into a 40-60% down player?

    He's the shinny foreign car that when you see it pass by makes you go Oooo and Awww but what you don't see is as soon as it passes the corner it breaks down, only a specialist knows how to fix it, and it cost you a ton to keep it running. Give me a stock big block any day. Might not be as flashy but doesn't cost nearly as much to maintain, will run under any conditions, and I can work on it in my garage.
     
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    Osi already has his ring, as others said, so I doubt he's willing to take a pay cut to get a championship... Just don't see how Pats would give up a huge contract with $$$ guaranteed and a 2nd (maybe even a 1st) to get him.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Are Patriots Laying in the Weeds for Osi? : We all fall in love with top end pass rushers but they haven't worked out for us in the past (Colvin with injury concerns before joining Pats, AD with the big contract) and giving him the money he wants would hamstring us in the future if he gets injured or doesn't perform.
     
    RESPONSE: I disagree with you about Colvin. He wasn't a superstar, but was a good, solid player for the Pats over the years. As for "falling in love" with a pass-rusher...the Pats don't have one to fall in love with. That's  one of the main reasons why they were one and done against the Jets last year...and why their defense finish last in the league in getting off the field on 3rd down. Something needs to be done to change that.  

    Osi has injury concerns with his hip (a pass rusher with a hip concern?) which means you don't want to invest long term guarantied cash, he's also a liability in the run meaning he's a pass rushing specialist which you don't invest a lot of dollars in. If it was just the pick and his current contract I would be all for it but he wants a big payday for a player that might see 20-40 snaps a game who has injury issues recently. Now I understand those 20-40 snaps will be very productive but when has BB invested that much money into a 40-60% down player?
     
    RESPONSE: Judging from his production last year (11.5 sacks, and led the league in forced fumbles, with 10), who knows? Nonetheless, you make a good point about his hip problem. If he's damaged goods, he's obviously not worth the kind of money that he seeks. 

    He's the shinny foreign car that when you see it pass by makes you go Oooo and Awww but what you don't see is as soon as it passes the corner it breaks down, only a specialist knows how to fix it, and it cost you a ton to keep it running. Give me a stock big block any day. Might not be as flashy but doesn't cost nearly as much to maintain, will run under any conditions, and I can work on it in my garage.

    RESPONSE: No...he's not a diva WR. He's a guy who can put the heat on an opposing QB on every passing down.  In this era of pass-ball, guys like Osi aren't a luxury, but a necessity.
    Posted by PatsEng[/QUOTE]
     
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    [QUOTE]Wouldn't Moore or someone else like maybe even Markell Carter at DE in a 4-3 look pretty good next to Wilfork and Haynesworth as they are double teamed?

    RESPONSE: Who knows what 6th round project Markel Carter can do? I like Eric Moore...but he's no Osi. If the Pats fail to gget Umenyiora, I think they'll sign DE/OLB Matt Roth. They'll also looking at Raheem Brock, and, likely, Jets free agent, 34 year old Shaun Ellis.  

    It's not going to take Richard Dent in his prime to see a rush from the 4-3 DE slot here. You could sign Matt Roth at 1.5-2 per and sure up your 3-4 rotation at OLB, and just see what you can get from Cunningham, Moore, Carter and even a Roth at 4-3 DE.

    RESPONSE: Add Richard Dent in his prime to Vince and Albert in the middle, and you'd really have something, wouldn't you? Osi could make the Pats new 4-man defensive front special. No way Roth signs for just 1.5-2mil. per  season. 
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    Osi just seems like he's a disaster waiting to happen.  He wants money plain and simple.

    Moss, Dillon, Harrison, etc.- they wanted to win and prove how good they were.

    AD- He wanted money

    That's why big money free agents don't work out very often.  I don't think the Pats would get him even if he were a free agent, and I don't see them using a pick just to have the privlege of giving him a 60million dollar contract.  I could be wrong, but my guess is 2 years after he gets his contract we here rumors about him being cut.  That ofcourse is when the Pats will pick him up for a 6th round pick.
     
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    Does anyone know exactly where the Pats are within the Cap for this year, next? Is it even possible to land him? I just do not understand us not going after him, he seems to be exactly the player we are seeking. We didn't sign Ocho or Haynesworth to big, risky contracts. This guy fits what we are looking for. Giving up a 2nd round draft pick when we have two first rounders and two second rounders seems like a no-brainer. We all know BB is going to trade one of those 1st-rounders, if not both, away next year to stockpile more picks, so, I dunno, seems stupid to not go after him unless I am missing something entirely with cap room.

     
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    Looks like Osi is staying with the Giants...
     
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    [QUOTE]Looks like Osi is staying with the Giants...
    Posted by Angel-of-Light[/QUOTE]

         I wouldn't count on it. The Giants have pulled their permission to let Osi seek a trade.http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/03/giants-say-osi-umenyiora-cant-talk-trade-anymore/
     
         But, that's likely due to them not getting any good offers in return. The Ravens offered only a third rounder, due to concerns over Osi's health.

         If Osi is an outspoken malcontent, the G-men will have to trade him.
        
     
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         The Umenyiora matter is far from over, and promises to be a mess for the Giants. It's only a matter of time before they'll have to restructure his contract, or move him: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/04/osi-umenyiora-reportedly-fuming-with-standoff-just-getting-started/
     
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    What are they going to do stand him up? He's a 4-3 down lineman...the Patriots don't play the 4-3 that much and paying him big bucks for sub packages is smart use of money..you Bill is tight w/ the pockets

    Check this site out pretty good stuff on the Patriots.. 60maxpowero.com
     
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         I really believe that the Patriots are still trying to work something out with the Giants to bring Osi Umenyiora aboard. The Giants must either part with Osi, or revamp his contract...and pay the man something closer in line with market value. But, doing so could set a precedent of having others step forth, asking to renegotiate their deals: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/2011/08/04/2011-08-04_giants_need_way_to_make_umenyiora_uturn.html

         Since Osi just turned  30 years old, is coming off hip surgery, and the G-men have former 2010 #1 pick Jason Pierre-Paul waiting in the wings, it makes a ton of sense for them to trade Umenyiora for a potentially high second round draft choice in 2012. The Patriots own such a commodity, via a trade with the Oakland Raiders in last April's draft.   

         Look for something to happen within the next week, or sooner. If not, I expect the Patriots to move on to Plan "B", and consider signing one or more of the following available free agents: DE/OLB Matt Roth, DE Raheem Brock, and/or Jets' UFA Shaun Ellis.
     

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