ARE WE DONE AT LINEBACKER?

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    ARE WE DONE AT LINEBACKER?

    or are we still looking to pick up something?
    any news abot roth?
     
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    I think the Pats digest what they have and play a game or two. certainly the longer they wait the harder it wll be to integrate, making a player like Roth who has some knowledge of the system one of the few who could be brought in.
    I find it strage however that based on the "shortage" of talent at that 3/4 spot, why is Roth still available? Is it $$$ related?
     
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    It isn't just the current free agents they have to consider. As roster cuts are made, the Pats will evaluate the players that become available and determine if they are worth a look. They probably have a fairly good idea of who may be getting cut over the next few weeks (salary cap moves from other teams) and already have a few players in mind that they would like to bring in 'at the right price'. They also seem to have an overload of DL right now, so I wouldn't be shocked if there is a trade made. Some team is bound to lose a DL to injury in the preseason, which makes the Pats stockpile of these guys very valuable.
     
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    I'm kind of shocked to rkarp. It's a bit weird. I know he's not a elite player but he certainly is a starting caliber player and very well rounded that can play 3 downs.

    But I still believe he'll end up being a Pat because he is a upgrade over Moore and even though it hurts me to say I think he's an upgrade over Nin too
     
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    I think if they go to a 43 package and during the first few preseason games no one steps up at OLB in that package you might see a more pure 43 OLB traded or signed.

    I think they have guys in the system who can play it and are athletic enough but where does Nin fit in a 43?  He has improved in coverage but don't know he's got the speed to run down field or cover RBs in the flats.

    I like Moore, I think this year he'll have a big sack total (9).
     
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    I agree with Pats7393, Eric Moore will improve his sack total this, because teams won't focus on him if others guys like Wilfork, Haynesworth and ellis start to create havoc on opposing offensive lines. He showed promise last year and i have a feeling, like i new BJGE would become the starting RB, that Moore will provide a good pass rush.
     
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    Glad to see people so high on Moore, but is it realistic? The guy has done absolutely nothing in his nfl career. He should flashes in what? Two games last year, when most teams and players were out of the playoff picture. He's got decent 43 end type of size and he'll hopefully be surrounded by some high end talent, but does that mean he'll get 7 - 10 sacks? I hope so, but I'm not holding my breath.

     
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    Yes. We are probably done. We have the talent to be one of the best D's in the league now.

    My prediction:

    4-3: DT: Wilfork, Haynesworth           Backup: Warren, Brace, Love
           DE: Cunningham, Wright            Backup: Ellis, Moore, Anderson, Deaderick
           OLB: Mayo, Guyton                    Backup: Ninkovitch, Tarpinian
           ILB: Spikes                               Backup: Fletcher
          
    3-4: NT: Wilfork                                Backup: Pryor, Brace
           DE: Wright, Haynesworth            Backup: Ellis, Warren, Deaderick
           OLB: Cunningham, Ninkovitch     Backup: Moore, Tarpinian
           ILB: Mayo, Spikes                      Backup: Guyton, Fletcher

    I'm pretty happy with that. I think it's probably better to resign people like Welker, Mayo, etc with the remainder of our cap.

    The only other position that I could understand looking at now might be safety, but I personally don't think that it's as big of a problem as everyone on this board seems to think it is. Meriweather may only be here for this year, but I don't think we trade him. He's still a pretty good player even if he does freelance (which I think he'll do less this year because it's a contract year for him).
           
     
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     If the defensive line gets as good as it can be, and it looks much better than last, the linebackers will improve just based on less double team and more emphasis on just controlling our DL. I really don't see QB getting 5 seconds to throw this season.
     
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    Have you forgot A. Carter? He will create an excellent push rush...actually he had Pro Bowl stats for a couple of years in Washington before they changed to a 3-4 defense. To me he looks like a steal! His average is 6,6 sacks per season for 10 years, quit impressive.
     
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    Didn't realize this!

     Greg A. Bedard 
     
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    [QUOTE]Glad to see people so high on Moore, but is it realistic? The guy has done absolutely nothing in his nfl career. He should flashes in what? Two games last year, when most teams and players were out of the playoff picture. He's got decent 43 end type of size and he'll hopefully be surrounded by some high end talent, but does that mean he'll get 7 - 10 sacks? I hope so, but I'm not holding my breath.
    Posted by mthurl[/QUOTE]

    Kind of agree with this. I'm putting my money on ACarter to return to pre 3-4 OLB form...or back to 4-3 DE form where he had some impressive sacks in 2009. If he makes the cut and stays healthy, I think he might lead the bunch.

    Also, don't count Mayo out. If he is playing more 4-3 OLB, he may be given the opportunity to rush a lot more than what he has in the past. I want to see him shoot those gaps fast as Al and VW occupy blockers. Getting a sack up the middle should be something we can do this year.
     
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    [QUOTE]Scary they went 14-2.  Shows you how well they baited Qbs, though. That's the brightside. 2nd in NFL in turnovers. So, QBs got comfortabel and BB flipped the switch and they baited QBs with INTs and also were very good in pursuit and knocking balls loose. Onward and upward.  Expect a good 3rd down D this year.
    Posted by RidingWithTheKing[/QUOTE]

    Was it BB or was it McCourty? I saw McCourty make some spectacular reads on QB's and come up with int's that not many CB's would make. It's not like Meriweather who had int's on balls there were massively over thrown by QB's.

    Since McCourty was a rook QB's took a chances tossing it his way but I don't see them taking this same chances this year truthfully. Though if they cut that 5+secs a QB has to throw to around 4 or under I think we'll see a lot of bait int's and a lot of lame ducks in the air.

     
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    [QUOTE]Yes. We are probably done. We have the talent to be one of the best D's in the league now. My prediction: 4-3: DT: Wilfork, Haynesworth           Backup: Warren, Brace, Love        DE: Cunningham, Wright            Backup: Ellis, Moore, Anderson, Deaderick        OLB: Mayo, Guyton                    Backup: Ninkovitch, Tarpinian        ILB: Spikes                               Backup: Fletcher        3-4: NT: Wilfork                                Backup: Pryor, Brace        DE: Wright, Haynesworth            Backup: Ellis, Warren, Deaderick        OLB: Cunningham, Ninkovitch     Backup: Moore, Tarpinian        ILB: Mayo, Spikes                      Backup: Guyton, Fletcher I'm pretty happy with that. I think it's probably better to resign people like Welker, Mayo, etc with the remainder of our cap. The only other position that I could understand looking at now might be safety, but I personally don't think that it's as big of a problem as everyone on this board seems to think it is. Meriweather may only be here for this year, but I don't think we trade him. He's still a pretty good player even if he does freelance (which I think he'll do less this year because it's a contract year for him).        
    Posted by timesedge[/QUOTE]

    I think you are overly simplifying the D but Roth would fit in perfectly for the 34 fronts. He's a large OLB that can set an edge, drop into coverage, or rush the passer in case of a pass. He's not an elite talent but would be an upgrade over what we have, maybe at relatively low cost if we can get him for under 3mil for 1 year.

    In your 34 formation too, I'm not sure I'd add Wright. He's more of a pass rushing specialist and is a bit of a liability in the run. Love or Brace are much stout at plugging gaps against the run. Wright would be great in a 2nd and mid situation though where there is a question between if they are running or passing.

    Imagine this for a 34 line

    RDE - Love/Brace
    NT - Wilfork
    LDE - Haynesworth

    Jack - Roth
    Will - Mayo
    Mike - Spikes
    Sam - Nin

    RCB - McCourty
    LCB - Bodden

    FS - Brown
    SS - Chung

    Now that's a defensive front that no one would be able to run against

     
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    To me it was surprising they went 14-2 last year. I would have never guessed with that defense it was possible.

    The turnovers is the key stat here. It's hard for defenses to replicate turnover numbers year after year like that...I point to the Saints on that front from a couple of years ago. Meaning, I don't think it's something we can count on. If we vastly improve our 3rd down defense, it should balance itself out, and make us a better defense even if we fall down to 10-15 in turnovers, because we have now given teams less chances to move the ball on us, meaning less chances to turnover.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: ARE WE DONE AT LINEBACKER? : That money is about right for those guys. Of course, when you factor in the money they will get when they reach their incentives, it comes out to the exact same amount.... if you are too dumb to understand that, it means they won't reach their incentives. 
    Posted by McCheaters[/QUOTE]

    Ocho has no incentives it's a straight 1mil this year 3mil next year and 3 mil next year. I think I'd rather have Ocho then Burress wouldn't you? So having the better option at much lower cost is a win for any team.

    With Haynesworth. His incentives are based on snaps. His snaps are based on performance. So, if he gets back to his pro-bowl form he can make up to ~5mil. Don't you think that's pretty cheap for a pro-bowl DE/DT? If he doesn't perform he doesn't get snaps and won't reach the incentives so for the 1.5mil that's about what a decent backup at his position gets.

    At best we get a player who could be considered one of the top D players in the league and at worst we break even with a decent backup that cost basically nothing. I'd say that's smart management if you ask me.
     
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    [QUOTE]To me it was surprising they went 14-2 last year. I would have never guessed with that defense it was possible. The turnovers is the key stat here. It's hard for defenses to replicate turnover numbers year after year like that...I point to the Saints on that front from a couple of years ago. Meaning, I don't think it's something we can count on. If we vastly improve our 3rd down defense, it should balance itself out, and make us a better defense even if we fall down to 10-15 in turnovers, because we have now given teams less chances to move the ball on us, meaning less chances to turnover.
    Posted by PatsLifer[/QUOTE]
    At one point I looked at our record and thought this has to be one of the worst defenses I've seen in a long time..with a regular season record like ours. I loved the way the offense was playing towards the end and their running game looked very solid to me, but I looked at the playoff teams and thought anyone of them could of beat us (which really is true in the playoffs anyway). I thought there were some solid players in our front seven, but really none that I'd consider "difference maker"...Wilfork? Yeah, but how much a difference do you make in a scheme were you're covered by three people?
     
    I like what we've added to our line, the real question (aside from health), will be how do these linebasckers play? If we run more of an attacking line, it will leave them more uncovered/unprotected. Personally it was a move that I think they had to make, because the linebackers weren't good enough to build a defense around. Should be fun to watch and I'm sure there will be lots of growing pains in the pre season games...just hope we avoid the injuries.
     
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    [QUOTE]No, he'd rather have Burress. LMAO
    Posted by RidingWithTheKing[/QUOTE]

    No, he'd rather we have Burress when Big Al is sitting on Sancheeze's head at the bottom of that 1,000lb pile.
     

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