Are we seeing a BIG change or is it the wildcat all over?

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    Are we seeing a BIG change or is it the wildcat all over?

    Let's see we have Cam Newton, Russel Westbrook, Colin Koepernack?, RG3rd. Is this the future of the NFL pertaining to QBs, big fast scrambling guys that will run on any down or is it a passing phase that NFL coaches will exploit, ala, the wildcat. I know Luck is mostly a pocket passer but the kid also has scrambling ability. Next is Geno Smith? I know some on this board will  posite the argument, that these types of QBs will inevetibly get hurt, like Mike Vick--or was Vick ahead of his time with the wrong OC running the show? Sure is entertaining and the NFL is all about entertainmen,t even at the cost of watering down this great game,(see PI calls and slaps on QBs helmet, No more lowering helmet,etc), flag football coming soon?

     
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    Re: Are we seeing a BIG change or is it the wildcat all over?

    Russell Westbrook playing QB would be a big change.

     
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    Re: Are we seeing a BIG change or is it the wildcat all over?

    Assume you meant Wilson!

    Nope, not the same as the WC which was a trick play not dissimilar to direct snaps to the running back. With the WC you either pulled your starting QB or split him out as a receiver so you were playing basically 10 against 11. And using a running back as the QB meant that there were very limited options for throwing the ball.

    This is more like the progression from Mike Vick. Taking a real QB who is a good enough athlete and running an option play formation with him and occasionally allowing him to keep the ball. The advantage over the WC is that you still have your QB running the play and pretty much the entire playbook can still be run from the formation or the formation can be audibled out of.

    And no ... these guys are going to run less and less. It is just too dangerous to have the most important player on offense being put in positions to get hammered by the defense. Ask RGIII about that. But the QBs you mention are good QBs in the pocket as well as good runners so they will continue to have success if they don't get injured.

     
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    Re: Are we seeing a BIG change or is it the wildcat all over?

    In response to jimmytantric's comment:

    Let's see we have Cam Newton, Russel Westbrook, Colin Koepernack?, RG3rd. Is this the future of the NFL pertaining to QBs, big fast scrambling guys that will run on any down or is it a passing phase that NFL coaches will exploit, ala, the wildcat. I know Luck is mostly a pocket passer but the kid also has scrambling ability. Next is Geno Smith? I know some on this board will  posite the argument, that these types of QBs will inevetibly get hurt, like Mike Vick--or was Vick ahead of his time with the wrong OC running the show? Sure is entertaining and the NFL is all about entertainmen,t even at the cost of watering down this great game,(see PI calls and slaps on QBs helmet, No more lowering helmet,etc), flag football coming soon?



    think there will always be room for the straight drop back pocket passer

     
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    Re: Are we seeing a BIG change or is it the wildcat all over?

    Having a QB who is a dual threat does create an additional challenge for the defense, since they need to be prepared to defend against six eligible runner/receivers rather than five.  For the strategy to work as more than an occasional gimmick, though, the QB has to be an excellent runner--as good as most NFL running backs--plus needs to also be an excellent passer.  And he needs to be able to execute in the passing game without being distracted by his running duties.  So it takes an exceptional kind of player: one who has the skills to be an NFL-quality running back and also the passing and decision-making skills to be a true NFL-quality passer. That's a very rare combination of talents.  In the past, a lot of the really good runners at QB weren't great passers or weren't great decision-makers who could really run the offense well.  Meanwhile, those with the passing and decision-making skills really weren't very good runners--and also were such rare commodities that most teams didn't want to risk injuring them on running plays.  Better to run the ball with a real NFL running back. 

    However, if you have a QB who is a good passer and a good decision-maker, but who can also run really well, incorporating some runs from the QB position is a huge plus because it really forces defenses into devoting resources to protecting against the possibility of a QB run and that tends to pull guys out of pass coverage.  So, yeah, where you have the right combination of skills in one player, I think you do use the QB as a runner.  Still, you have to worry about injuries to a guy like this, which means I think you use it selectively--enough to make defenses worry about it, but not so much that you are really relying on it to move the ball and therefore risking injury to the most valuable, most critical, and least replaceable player in your offense. 

     
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    Re: Are we seeing a BIG change or is it the wildcat all over?

    In response to seattlepat70's comment:

    Russell Westbrook playing QB would be a big change.




    Sorry I meant Wilson-crosssing over in sports-gets jumbled sometimes-my apologies.

     
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    Re: Are we seeing a BIG change or is it the wildcat all over?

    Thing is all these QBs have fairly good arm strength and thus the ability to become good pocket passers. Some need better receivers (Newton) and others need to improve their accuracy. The real Kaepernick story is that we was weapon when he ran and he still managed to turn Crabtree into #1 WR.

     
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    Re: Are we seeing a BIG change or is it the wildcat all over?

    It's 80% a gimmick.

    Real quarterbacks need five years to get really good.  Running quarterbacks get stood up, they take big hits and they break.  So, almost by definition a running quarterback won't have the time to get that good.  Also, the QB may be healthy at the beginning of the season but playoff time is when a good QB counts more.

    That said, a fast quarterback who can scramble out of the pocket for a first down always has that extra asset, and occasionally a coach should throw the curve ball and let his fleet-footed QB run. 

    The guy still has to throw the ball with accuracy.  Tim Tebow would be a great wildcat gimmick if he could throw the ball with any accuracy at all.  For that matter, Julian Edelman would be a wildcat QB if he could throw, but he can't.

    Who is Kaepernick's backup?  What would the 49ers offense be like with the backup playing?  My suspicion is that SF would already have a serviceable QB sitting behind Kaepernick if they traded Alex Smith away.  Maybe SF will stay injury-free.

     
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