Re: Armstead Non Injury Reserve List
posted at 8/27/2013 11:28 PM EDT
In response to pcmIV's comment:
In response to TFB12's comment:
I am sure we could take about 3 or 4 low risk/ high reward players who aren't going to make it here and pay a Goldson or a Quin and be far better off. Again, its the quantity over quality argument. Using chicken crap to make chicken salad approach isn't working.
Goldson is making over 8 million a year and his cap hit this year is 9 million. The combined 2013 cap hit for Wilson, Kelly, Amendola and Arrington is about the same. Would you make that trade?
As for Quin I don't understand the appeal. He is known for his run defense. I am sure A Wilson can defend the run just fine.
Oh please pcmIV, you starting to use Rusty's agenda tactics of fraud and baffle with BS. It isn't going to work with me..
You compare 4 player contracts, using the teams 2013 cap hit is incorrect to do because all contracts are different. based on the structure of the contract, guaranteed money, bonus money, etc... And which year the money hits the cap.
The Bucs chose to front load Goldson's contract where his first year (2013) cap hit is $9 mil. Year 5's cap hit is $7.250 mil.
So where you blow your argument is you are comparing Goldson's front loaded contract to 4 Patriot players who's contracts are BACK loaded. You are comparing apples to oranges, friend!
Lets take a look here....
Amendola's contract is back loaded. His 2013 cap hit (year 1) is $3.5 mil and year 5 is $7.5 mil.
Kyle Arrington's contract is also back loaded. His 2013 cap hit (year 1) is $2.625 mil and year 4 is $5.125 mil.
Check this out.. Tommy Kelly's contract is back loaded also. His 2013 cap hit is $2 mil and year 2 is $3 mil.
And finally, you used Adrian Wilson as your 4th player in your silly example. Yes, Wilson's contract is also back loaded. His 2013 cap hit (year 1) is $1.3 mil and year 3 is $1.8 mil.
So if we really want to use you comparison then I will retort by saying Goldson's final year contract is $7.25 million compared to the 4 combine Patriots players you mention final year contracts of $17.5 million. Now that would be kind of silly, wouldn't it?
Heck, by signing Goldson the Pats wouldn't have even had to have signed Adrian Wilson so that money wouldn't even figure in.
As you can see your argument is bogus. You use false information in order to push your agenda. Sounds and looks a lot like Rusty.
So... As you can see the Pats could have signed Goldson and instead of front loading his contract like the Bucs did, the Pats could have back loaded his contract as they did with your 4 examples. Which, I would like to add, the Pats also did with Wilfork. Wilforks big back loaded contract will be done in 2 years avoiding any contract hell of these other back loaded contracts. It's all the way contracts are structured.
To summarize... Yes, the Pats could have signed a very good player and it wouldn't have been a problem with the Patriots cap. Your argument and 4 player comparison is bogus. Rusty agreed with your post so it shows he didn't do his homework like he claims to do and so he is once again pushing a false claim here too. I like you so I won't add you to this, but Rusty looks pretty silly now. Hey Russ, learn about cap hits.