As i suggested in a another thread, it may be wise given the cap to drop lloyd, mike reiss speculates the same today
posted at 2/9/2013 4:51 PM EST
i believe we can get as much production with less $ or more production for the same $.
lloyd does not separate at all most of teh time, and when he does and ctacehs a ball, he often falls to the turf.
if we need to find cap room this is one place i look.
will brady, mankins, or wilfork help re cap space (restructure).
Re: As i suggested in a another thread, it may be wise given the cap to drop lloyd, mike reiss speculates the same today
posted at 2/9/2013 5:22 PM EST
In response to bredbru's comment:
i believe we can get as much production with less $ or more production for the same $.
lloyd does not separate at all most of teh time, and when he does and ctacehs a ball, he often falls to the turf.
if we need to find cap room this is one place i look.
will brady, mankins, or wilfork help re cap space (restructure).
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Re: As i suggested in a another thread, it may be wise given the cap to drop lloyd, mike reiss speculates the same today
posted at 2/9/2013 5:34 PM EST
My understanding is that Lloyd's cap cost this year is $4.5 million or so, which seems okay for his level of production. I wouldn't cut him. I'm not sure what the cap cost of cutting him would be, but I think it's at least $2 million in dead money this year, based on the prorated value of his (reported) $3 million signing bonus. Not sure if there are any other guaranteed amounts that need to be accounted for.
Re: As i suggested in a another thread, it may be wise given the cap to drop lloyd, mike reiss speculates the same today
posted at 2/9/2013 5:47 PM EST
In response to prolate0spheroid's comment:
My understanding is that Lloyd's cap cost this year is $4.5 million or so, which seems okay for his level of production. I wouldn't cut him. I'm not sure what the cap cost of cutting him would be, but I think it's at least $2 million in dead money this year, based on the prorated value of his (reported) $3 million signing bonus. Not sure if there are any other guaranteed amounts that need to be accounted for.
i dont know the dead money, id think 2 mil or less.
agree with the concept releasing welker may make offense better
do need a big outside guy who can separate (draft)
if fork, mankins or brady restructure, could keep lloyd
Re: As i suggested in a another thread, it may be wise given the cap to drop lloyd, mike reiss speculates the same today
posted at 2/9/2013 5:50 PM EST
In response to ClarkGriswold's comment:
Lloyd is good value. Get Brady under Center, pretend 2007 never happened and run the offense like you did, pre 2005.
Lloyd will be more productive in 2013 if they let Welker walk.
I am afraid we'll never see another SB with Brady if Welker stays and Brady keeps scanning for his binky over and over.
Re: As i suggested in a another thread, it may be wise given the cap to drop lloyd, mike reiss speculates the same today
posted at 2/9/2013 5:58 PM EST
With prorated bonus of 1M each year, the cost to cut is 2M - could be spread over 2013 and 2014. Hard to see them finding a better receiver (except by drafting) for 3.5M in FA which is the cap savings. He wasn't brilliant this year, but they have no one else under contract, and if Welker walks and they find a better WR I could see him taking on more of a slot role?
Re: As i suggested in a another thread, it may be wise given the cap to drop lloyd, mike reiss speculates the same today
posted at 2/9/2013 6:26 PM EST
In response to BabeParilli's comment:
In response to ClarkGriswold's comment:
Lloyd is good value. Get Brady under Center, pretend 2007 never happened and run the offense like you did, pre 2005.
Lloyd will be more productive in 2013 if they let Welker walk.
I am afraid we'll never see another SB with Brady if Welker stays and Brady keeps scanning for his binky over and over.
Are you saying BB is too stupid to demand Brady be under center often enough dumbkoff?
Re: As i suggested in a another thread, it may be wise given the cap to drop lloyd, mike reiss speculates the same today
posted at 2/9/2013 7:36 PM EST
In response to mia76's comment:
With prorated bonus of 1M each year, the cost to cut is 2M - could be spread over 2013 and 2014. Hard to see them finding a better receiver (except by drafting) for 3.5M in FA which is the cap savings. He wasn't brilliant this year, but they have no one else under contract, and if Welker walks and they find a better WR I could see him taking on more of a slot role?
im for the big wr in the draft.
smarter to shift money in top 3 contracts than drop llloyd. but if necessry, he aint doing too much for the 4.5 mil imo.
Re: As i suggested in a another thread, it may be wise given the cap to drop lloyd, mike reiss speculates the same today
posted at 2/9/2013 8:24 PM EST
In response to ClarkGriswold's comment:
Lloyd is good value. Get Brady under Center, pretend 2007 never happened and run the offense like you did, pre 2005.
Lloyd will be more productive in 2013 if they let Welker walk.
I am afraid we'll never see another SB with Brady if Welker stays and Brady keeps scanning for his binky over and over.
Re: As i suggested in a another thread, it may be wise given the cap to drop lloyd, mike reiss speculates the same today
posted at 2/9/2013 8:29 PM EST
I kind of look at this Lloyd situation as, why bother? Why bother to cut him - he's half decent and there certainly is no guarantee that we could do better getting someone else in there. At least you know what you get with him...a guy that will give you a very pedestrian 60-70 catches and maybe 3-5 touchdowns. Yeah he won't run after the catch, separate, get deep, catch the ball over the middle, or fight for extra yards, but after the duds we've brought in to play receiver over the last seven years...this guy is awesome.
Re: As i suggested in a another thread, it may be wise given the cap to drop lloyd, mike reiss speculates the same today
posted at 2/9/2013 8:36 PM EST
My recollection is that he has a bonus of $3 mil that comes due if he's on the roster as of some date this year (don't remember when exactly) and if he's cut before then it's $4.5 mil in cap relief this year. That's why he could get cut. Could also get re-signed.
Re: As i suggested in a another thread, it may be wise given the cap to drop lloyd, mike reiss speculates the same today
posted at 2/9/2013 8:40 PM EST
In response to Muzwell's comment:
My recollection is that he has a bonus of $3 mil that comes due if he's on the roster as of some date this year (don't remember when exactly) and if he's cut before then it's $4.5 mil in cap relief this year. That's why he could get cut. Could also get re-signed.
Re: As i suggested in a another thread, it may be wise given the cap to drop lloyd, mike reiss speculates the same today
posted at 2/9/2013 8:40 PM EST
In response to mthurl's comment:
I kind of look at this Lloyd situation as, why bother? Why bother to cut him - he's half decent and there certainly is no guarantee that we could do better getting someone else in there. At least you know what you get with him...a guy that will give you a very pedestrian 60-70 catches and maybe 3-5 touchdowns. Yeah he won't run after the catch, separate, get deep, catch the ball over the middle, or fight for extra yards, but after the duds we've brought in to play receiver over the last seven years...this guy is awesome.
Re: As i suggested in a another thread, it may be wise given the cap to drop lloyd, mike reiss speculates the same today
posted at 2/9/2013 9:43 PM EST
In response to bredbru's comment:
In response to mthurl's comment:
I kind of look at this Lloyd situation as, why bother? Why bother to cut him - he's half decent and there certainly is no guarantee that we could do better getting someone else in there. At least you know what you get with him...a guy that will give you a very pedestrian 60-70 catches and maybe 3-5 touchdowns. Yeah he won't run after the catch, separate, get deep, catch the ball over the middle, or fight for extra yards, but after the duds we've brought in to play receiver over the last seven years...this guy is awesome.
why is if cap space is needed where else woudl you cut. if you cant restructure brady, fork, volmer, it may be tough
Re: As i suggested in a another thread, it may be wise given the cap to drop lloyd, mike reiss speculates the same today
posted at 2/9/2013 9:54 PM EST
In response to mthurl's comment:
In response to bredbru's comment:
In response to mthurl's comment:
I kind of look at this Lloyd situation as, why bother? Why bother to cut him - he's half decent and there certainly is no guarantee that we could do better getting someone else in there. At least you know what you get with him...a guy that will give you a very pedestrian 60-70 catches and maybe 3-5 touchdowns. Yeah he won't run after the catch, separate, get deep, catch the ball over the middle, or fight for extra yards, but after the duds we've brought in to play receiver over the last seven years...this guy is awesome.
why is if cap space is needed where else woudl you cut. if you cant restructure brady, fork, volmer, it may be tough
Do we need cap space? We have like 14 million. I hear the kicker has a three million cap number, I think he's a good kicker...not great. I bet if we needed cap space they could go to Brady and Wilfork for some relief. I just don't want to see us cut players that aren't a problem when we don't have anyone to replace them - and I'm not saying Lloyd isn't replaceable because he is, it's just, why risk it?
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Re: As i suggested in a another thread, it may be wise given the cap to drop lloyd, mike reiss speculates the same today
posted at 2/10/2013 1:54 AM EST
In response to ricky12684's comment:
it was his first season as a patriot and he was solid. i don't know about everyone else, but i watched every pats game and i lost count of how many time's brady just flat out missed lloyd on wide open throws.. especially the last couple games where brady threw everything into the dirt. lloyd is the only WR under contract right now.
still def need big outside wr who cna separate and snag.
may need to restructure someone.
Re: As i suggested in a another thread, it may be wise given the cap to drop lloyd, mike reiss speculates the same today
posted at 2/10/2013 6:44 AM EST
In response to mia76's comment:
With prorated bonus of 1M each year, the cost to cut is 2M - could be spread over 2013 and 2014. Hard to see them finding a better receiver (except by drafting) for 3.5M in FA which is the cap savings. He wasn't brilliant this year, but they have no one else under contract, and if Welker walks and they find a better WR I could see him taking on more of a slot role?
2013
Base salary-$1.9 mil
pro rated bonus-$2.5 mmil workout bonus-$100k
cap value-$4.5 mil. Dead money-$5 mil. Cap savings-($500k)
2014
Cap value-$5.5mil. Dead money-$2.5 mil. Cap savings-$3 mil
Re: As i suggested in a another thread, it may be wise given the cap to drop lloyd, mike reiss speculates the same today
posted at 2/10/2013 7:10 AM EST
In response to rkarp's comment:
In response to mia76's comment:
With prorated bonus of 1M each year, the cost to cut is 2M - could be spread over 2013 and 2014. Hard to see them finding a better receiver (except by drafting) for 3.5M in FA which is the cap savings. He wasn't brilliant this year, but they have no one else under contract, and if Welker walks and they find a better WR I could see him taking on more of a slot role?
This is incorrect. You cannot pro rate any money going forward if the player is cut. The team incurs dead money and negative cap savings.
2013
Base salary-$1.9 mil
pro rated bonus-$2.5 mmil workout bonus-$100k
cap value-$4.5 mil. Dead money-$5 mil. Cap savings-($500k)
2014
Cap value-$5.5mil. Dead money-$2.5 mil. Cap savings-$3 mil
Re: As i suggested in a another thread, it may be wise given the cap to drop lloyd, mike reiss speculates the same today
posted at 2/10/2013 7:16 AM EST
I would always consider it wise to cut players who play below their level of compensation...
I was over Lloyd after week one
Re: As i suggested in a another thread, it may be wise given the cap to drop lloyd, mike reiss speculates the same today
posted at 2/10/2013 7:42 AM EST
In response to rkarp's comment:
In response to mia76's comment:
With prorated bonus of 1M each year, the cost to cut is 2M - could be spread over 2013 and 2014. Hard to see them finding a better receiver (except by drafting) for 3.5M in FA which is the cap savings. He wasn't brilliant this year, but they have no one else under contract, and if Welker walks and they find a better WR I could see him taking on more of a slot role?
This is incorrect. You cannot pro rate any money going forward if the player is cut. The team incurs dead money and negative cap savings.
2013
Base salary-$1.9 mil
pro rated bonus-$2.5 mmil workout bonus-$100k
cap value-$4.5 mil. Dead money-$5 mil. Cap savings-($500k)
2014
Cap value-$5.5mil. Dead money-$2.5 mil. Cap savings-$3 mil
The numbers you quote are from jetscap.com, but i question their accuracy. The prorated bonus number of 2.5 million per year seems off, especially since even jetscap reports the signing bomus as 3 million.
Re: As i suggested in a another thread, it may be wise given the cap to drop lloyd, mike reiss speculates the same today
posted at 2/10/2013 7:55 AM EST
In response to prolate0spheroid's comment:
In response to rkarp's comment:
In response to mia76's comment:
With prorated bonus of 1M each year, the cost to cut is 2M - could be spread over 2013 and 2014. Hard to see them finding a better receiver (except by drafting) for 3.5M in FA which is the cap savings. He wasn't brilliant this year, but they have no one else under contract, and if Welker walks and they find a better WR I could see him taking on more of a slot role?
This is incorrect. You cannot pro rate any money going forward if the player is cut. The team incurs dead money and negative cap savings.
2013
Base salary-$1.9 mil
pro rated bonus-$2.5 mmil workout bonus-$100k
cap value-$4.5 mil. Dead money-$5 mil. Cap savings-($500k)
2014
Cap value-$5.5mil. Dead money-$2.5 mil. Cap savings-$3 mil
You misunderstand what I was saying. My understanding is his bonus was 3 million, which for cap purposes would have been prorated to 1 million a year. If you cut him, the remaining two years of prorated bonus would be accelerated resulting in a cap hit (this year, assuming he's cut before July) of 2 million.
The numbers you quote are from jetscap.com, but i question their accuracy. The prorated bonus number of 2.5 million per year seems off, especially since even jetscap reports the signing bomus as 3 million.
Source is spotrac;
BASE SALARY S. BONUS MISC. BONUS CAP HIT 2012 900,000 1,000,000 100,000 2,000,000 2013 1,900,000 1,000,000 1,600,000 4,500,000 2014 2,900,000 1,000,000 1,600,000 5,500,000
Re: As i suggested in a another thread, it may be wise given the cap to drop lloyd, mike reiss speculates the same today
posted at 2/10/2013 8:03 AM EST
In response to rkarp's comment:
In response to prolate0spheroid's comment:
In response to rkarp's comment:
In response to mia76's comment:
With prorated bonus of 1M each year, the cost to cut is 2M - could be spread over 2013 and 2014. Hard to see them finding a better receiver (except by drafting) for 3.5M in FA which is the cap savings. He wasn't brilliant this year, but they have no one else under contract, and if Welker walks and they find a better WR I could see him taking on more of a slot role?
This is incorrect. You cannot pro rate any money going forward if the player is cut. The team incurs dead money and negative cap savings.
2013
Base salary-$1.9 mil
pro rated bonus-$2.5 mmil workout bonus-$100k
cap value-$4.5 mil. Dead money-$5 mil. Cap savings-($500k)
2014
Cap value-$5.5mil. Dead money-$2.5 mil. Cap savings-$3 mil
You misunderstand what I was saying. My understanding is his bonus was 3 million, which for cap purposes would have been prorated to 1 million a year. If you cut him, the remaining two years of prorated bonus would be accelerated resulting in a cap hit (this year, assuming he's cut before July) of 2 million.
The numbers you quote are from jetscap.com, but i question their accuracy. The prorated bonus number of 2.5 million per year seems off, especially since even jetscap reports the signing bomus as 3 million.
