as of now do we draft a high pass rusher?

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    as of now do we draft a high pass rusher?

    we have only ten sacks right now so one of the worst in the league. we need to get some one to rush the quarterback so our dbs (who i like) stop getting burnt
     
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    I can see another OLB from the draft next year. 

    Don't get too carried away with the sacking stat.  The Pats have played against running teams so the key to wins against Miami and Baltimore was to stop the run first and let the QB for those teams try to win it.  They didn't and the strategy worked.  It might be a little different with SD though.
     
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    With high draft picks I would always like them to take defensive talent. Draft another CB if they want. Who ever they think is best is who I'd like them to take. We have a pretty good pick coming up this year so I won't be surprised if we can turn that into a pass rusher though.
     
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    I'd rather draft a sober pass rusher, but if he's the next Lawrence Taylor...
     
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    Re: as of now do we draft a high pass rusher?

    a good cb
     
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    Re: as of now do we draft a high pass rusher?

    I'm on record as thinking they'll go best player available with Oaklands pick (assuming it's top 10) and think that translates into CB's Patrick Peterson (6-1 211 LSU) or Prince Amukamara (6-0 203 Nebraska).

    Better coverage could also help improve the pass rush by giving the front 7 more time to get at the QB and Arrington/Butler etc aren't doing much to help.

    I do see them taking a 3-4 edge guy in the first couple rounds though.
     
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    A pass rusher with the 1st 4 picks is definitely in order. This draft looks like it will have some very good CBs (more depth there). Could also see an OG/OT type that fits very well with what our offense can do. I am not entirely sold on the Pats grabbing Ingram with the Raiders pick and WRs have been proven bust material (thank you Matt Millen). I personally feel that Suh would have been a great 3-4 DE for the Pats, but that obviously did not happen. The majority of DEs seem to be 4-3 DEs or undersized 3-4 DEs (for the NFL anyway). Do the Pats try to convert a 4-3 DE to an OLB or do they look for a DT that has the size speed combo who can control the gaps in order to be an effective 3-4 DE ?
     
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    Re: as of now do we draft a high pass rusher?

    www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42070
     
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    [QUOTE]we have only ten sacks right now so one of the worst in the league. we need to get some one to rush the quarterback so our dbs (who i like) stop getting burnt
    Posted by patsfan1994[/QUOTE]

    i dont see them drafting a high pick for one.. i noticed last game against the ravens that jermain cunningham was giving trouble to micheal oher with a couple penalties.. causing flacco to fumble which led to a wilfork sack.. within a couple weeks i think cunningham will be that big rusher were looking for... im sure theyll look later in the draft of course.
     
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    I think a lot of people are starting to get stuck on CB's simply because of the play this year. But I have to believe that with Bodden back next year and McCourty playing like a future #1 CB that the best way to fix the problem is to actual draft a Seymour type of DE that can get to the passer. In this upcoming draft I see a huge drop off between the top 4-5 DE/DT's and the next level down so I have to believe they will shore up the end position first and look from there.

    I think getting a solid DE then picking up another OLB to play opposite Cunningham in the early 2nd would be ideal (I like Beal but Kerrigan would also work well too). This should not only help the line and pass rush but also greatly improve the secondary.

    Just remember a strong rush can hide a weaker secondary and force bad throws, but if you give any QB enough time and someone will eventually get open even with the best secondary.
     
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    Who is the best 3-4 DE Prospect?  Iron Head Heyward's kid at Ohio St. has the right size, didn't a see him make any plays againts Wisconsin last week though.  That is the position to draft high because there is a lack of talent at the position.  A great DE like Seymour in his prime makes the pass rush go because of the attention he draws.
     
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    PatsEng, I dont think it is so much the play of our CBs as the available talent in next years draft.  Peterson and Prince are those rare elite CBs that dont come too often.  The 3-4 DEs are good, but no one is a Seymour.  I agree we need another OLB, maybe even 2 (depth is always good). 
     
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    [QUOTE]I'm on record as thinking they'll go best player available with Oaklands pick (assuming it's top 10) and think that translates into CB's Patrick Peterson (6-1 211 LSU) or Prince Amukamara (6-0 203 Nebraska). Better coverage could also help improve the pass rush by giving the front 7 more time to get at the QB and Arrington/Butler etc aren't doing much to help. I do see them taking a 3-4 edge guy in the first couple rounds though.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07[/QUOTE]

    Huge Husker fan..Prince already plays Man coverage like a pro. I'd love to see him on the Pats.He's a very solid tackler too. Pelini stresses the fundamentals and their defense shows up every week and proves it.
     
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    I am leaning Adrian Clayborn, Iowa.   BB and Ferentz are good buddies, so this is a possibility.

    He's got the girth/range and overall size, but he also possesses the DE push BB likes at DE.

    An honor roll student as well. Seems to be a good kid also.

    http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=64808&draftyear=2011&genpos=DE

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Clayborn

    I still feel BB won't go OLB in Round 1, unless he's positive the OLB projection comes from DE in college.    It's still a risk, so I just feel DE is a safer pick because it has a chance of being an impact move faster than OLB.

    So, someone like Allen Bailey, would be a possibilty in Round 1, but I can't see BB going for it in the top 10.

    By the the time NE's own pick comes around Baiely will be gone.

    Obviously, this is the same case with Robert Quinn.  He's ideal for 3-4 OLB, and if he's there at 6, 7, 8 or 9, BB may go ahead and pull the trigger with it.

    I don't agree with CB in Round 1 at all. It's McCourty and Bodden here for the next 3-5 years. 

    If they want to bolster competition there, get it in the middle rounds (Round 2 or 3).
     
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    Re: as of now do we draft a high pass rusher?

    We just drafted a high H-back with a fourth round pick.  (Throwaway line)

    Cunningham is going to evolve into a great rushing OLB.  Tully Banta-Cain isn't too bad, and Crable is actually good (if he's finally healthy, a big if). Assuming that Banta-Cain gets injured again this year, the Patriots could really use one more good OLB.  If BB should draft two pass rush specialists, one could play ILB on passing downs.

    Ty Warren will be wanting his job back at defensive end.  Brandon Deaderick is ok at the other end, a 314 pound bull rusher but mostly a run defender like Ty.  Neither one is a sack specialist.  I don't think that BB will draft a sacking defensive end, unless he can switch to linebacker. 

     
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    I'd like to get a good look at Brace and Crable first.  If Brace is still the future replacement for Ty Warren then I could see Belichick focus on another position with the Raiders pick. 
     
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    [QUOTE]we have only ten sacks right now so one of the worst in the league. we need to get some one to rush the quarterback so our dbs (who i like) stop getting burnt
    Posted by patsfan1994[/QUOTE]

    Running back will be the top pick most likely. Then we go with pass rushers. 
     
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    [QUOTE]I'm on record as thinking they'll go best player available with Oaklands pick (assuming it's top 10) and think that translates into CB's Patrick Peterson (6-1 211 LSU) or Prince Amukamara (6-0 203 Nebraska). Better coverage could also help improve the pass rush by giving the front 7 more time to get at the QB and Arrington/Butler etc aren't doing much to help. I do see them taking a 3-4 edge guy in the first couple rounds though.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07[/QUOTE]

    If there is a shut down corner there for the taking it would be very tempting as long as he's free of baggage. I would be tempted to do that over an edge rusher. 
     
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    Just looked at some mocks and most had us going with Heyward.  Ohio St. players scare me.  How many big names have come out of this program to be busts or way over hyped?

    Prince Amukamara all the way!
     
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    All's I here as an excuse for Butler/Hobbs is the position takes a long time to develop (3 to 4 years).  If this is the case why the hell would BB continue to waste high picks on these guys (DB).  Someone should tell Bill about this 3-4 year thing.

     
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    I think unless there is a major leap, a 34 end is the key. People forget how a dominant end is game changing. Haoli Ngata dominates almost as much as Richard Seymour did in his prime. One guy like that makes your LBers better, and thus your DBs look better too. Right now there isn't a single 34 pass rusher that the pats have that commands a double team. Think how effective TBC, Cunningham, and Nink would look if they got consistent clean looks like Willie Mac and Vrabel did, all because Sey was double or triple teamed. 
     
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    [QUOTE]I think unless there is a major leap, a 34 end is the key. People forget how a dominant end is game changing. Haoli Ngata dominates almost as much as Richard Seymour did in his prime. One guy like that makes your LBers better, and thus your DBs look better too. Right now there isn't a single 34 pass rusher that the pats have that commands a double team. Think how effective TBC, Cunningham, and Nink would look if they got consistent clean looks like Willie Mac and Vrabel did, all because Sey was double or triple teamed. 
    Posted by zbellino[/QUOTE]

    I'm with you Z. A elite CB would be nice but with Bodden and McCourty next year how much would drafting one early really help the team? With Oak's pick most likely being a 4-8 pick then you can count on 1 of at least Bailey, Clayborn, Heyward, Dareus being there. And with the huge drop off in DE talent from them to the next level how can you pass on setting the line up for years to come? All have the ability, size and talent to become a Seymour type of player. My bet would be on either Bailey or Clayborn being our next DE. I don't even know how O lines would react lining up against Warren, Wilfork, Bailey/Clayborn, Spikes, Mayo, Cunningham, Beal/Kerrigan. The QB wouldn't even have the time to find a hole in the secondary yet alone exploit it. Then having a bench of Wright, Deadrick, Brace, Warren, Nin, TBC, Guyton, Crable to keep in constant rotation making sure everyones fresh. I'm drooling

    It's funny how people forget that when we had a fearsome front 7 the Pats literally stuck in anybody they could into cb and still had a successful secondary. Imagine having another front 7 like in 03/04 but then add to it Chung, Bodden, and McCourty. Now that's scary
     
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    Re: as of now do we draft a high pass rusher?

    Hey, how about we enjoy the season first...   whatever players you think the Pats should get may not even be in the draft next April....  You think the team is thinking draft right now? 
     
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    [QUOTE]Hey, how about we enjoy the season first...   whatever players you think the Pats should get may not even be in the draft next April....  You think the team is thinking draft right now? 
    Posted by agcsbill[/QUOTE]

    We are enjoying the season but as fans we also love talking about the draft and who we like during the season. Maybe 3hrs a week is good enough fr you but for me I like it all. Watching the college game and reading up on possible Pats icks next year as well as following what the Pats do too.
     
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    Re: as of now do we draft a high pass rusher?

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    [QUOTE]Hey, how about we enjoy the season first...   whatever players you think the Pats should get may not even be in the draft next April....  You think the team is thinking draft right now? 
    Posted by agcsbill[/QUOTE]

    Of course the team is thinking draft now, scouting/personnel is a 24/7 365 type operation.  As we speak their scouting department is scouring the country evaluating prospects, working to find fits for their organizational/schematic philosophies.
     
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