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Baltimore's New Defense.

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    The optics are that defenses are more aware of, and game-planning more for, New England's run game. Maybe the statistics don't support that fear on their part but then again, you know what they say about statistics. It also appears that our opponents are pass-rushing and blitzing less than last year, and again the explanation for many is that Ridley/Woodhead/Vereen/Bolden will carve them for good yardage if they commit wholly to stop Brady. Maybe this is all a myth and the stats don't really support this conclusion on their part, but we hear about this enough from analysts, ex-coaches, and current players, so perception could have become reality. The threat of the Patriots' run game is more potent this year than last. That, in my mind, is undeniable.

    Our defense seems more potent as well, especially in locking up the opponents' run game. It makes QB's like Schaub and Flacco rely more on a riskier pass game, helped along by early leads the world's greatest QB gives the team almost every game. With Talib/Dennard/Arrington (especially since Talib arrived) and McCourty's safety play, this has led to more turnovers and a big advantage for the Patriots.

    I don't see any of that changing against the Ravens. Talib and Dennard should match up well with Bolden and Smith, as long as the D-line can hold Rice in check. Ridley/Vereen should keep the Ravens D guessing. Webb's absence is going to create problems for their coverage as well, not that we have any deep threats. But we do have so many receiving threats that it's hard to cover them all. Kick and punt coverage will have to get back to their normal steady play; hopefully last week was an aberration. At least 14 of the 28 points you keep saying our D gave up were set up by two long kick returns. We can't have that happen again against the Ravens.

    If the Pats are lucky enough to make it past them, I would think Atlanta would be a much easier opponent than SF. Atlanta has a conventional (and very good) QB; SF has a much more unpredictable QB and one who is much harder to game-plan against. So we will need to rely on the quick-reaction and tackling of our secondary in stopping Kaepernick when he gets loose. It's tough to play man-on-man pass coverage, AND watch for and quickly react to broken-field running by the opposing QB.

     
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    I just saw a video posted on nfl.com entitled "Can the Baltimore Ravens stop New England Patriots' running game?" http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-playoffs/0ap2000000126626/Can-Ravens-stop-Patriots-running-game

    I cannot imagine anyone seriously asking that question last year.

    By the way, LaDanian Tomlinson apparently believes the Ravens can make the Patriots into a one-dimensional passing offense, something he sees as a key factor to defeating the Patriots. LT (Minor) is wrong about this, IMO; Brady will carve them up if they commit strongly to a run defense. Nevertheless, it's interesting that the question is even being asked.

     
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    Bwhahahahaahahaha, Zbellino wins every argument by citing irrefutable FACTS from the Pats' history the past decade, and all Rusty can do is resort to name calling.

    Tears!

     
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    In response to RockScully's comment:

    In response to TSWFAN's comment:

    ZB... you always bring a lot of thoughtful insight to this board. The person you are debating always attempts to denigrate whom ever disagrees with him with demeaning remarks. You are wasting your time talking to him.  Please keep up the informative posts.




    Oh please!  You're the guy whom I bludgeoned in early November leading up the election. You kept re-terating extreme right wing rhetoric and you got totally embarrased with my well laid out premises and facts.

    How is me telling Z that he is FACTUALLY INCORRECT about their D being better with Ray Lewis back than without him, me "denigrating" him?

    Z thinks he's the smartest person here, as does Prolate, but when they get caught, I will call them out.

    He's also the same guy who has been bashing our D, while ignoring Brady's god awful mind melt downs in big games in the recent postseasons, while praising another team's D that isn't as good as he claims?

    The Ravens LB has helped in run support, but not in pass coverage Originally Published: January 14, 2013   By Vince Verhei | Football Outsiders

     

     

    "The Baltimore Ravens lost four of their last five regular-season games, but they've turned things around in the playoffs with two wins in a row to reach the AFC Championship Game. That two-game win streak coincides with Ray Lewis' return to the Baltimore lineup, and considering that Baltimore started hot this year with Lewis on the field, one could assume that the Ravens' fortunes hang simply on the presence (or absence) of their future Hall of Fame linebacker.

     

     

    A closer look at the numbers shows that Lewis makes a real impact on the Baltimore defense, and that he has been one of the best players in the league this postseason. However, there is a hole in his game, and that weakness could cost the Ravens dearly against New England."

     

     

    Ravens report: Defense better without Ray Lewis, Jimmy Smith

    Published Monday, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:12 am EST Mike Preston Sporting News     View Comments
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    OWINGS MILLS, Md.—One of the main reasons for the Ravens' success has been their ability to replace injured starters like Ray Lewis and Jimmy Smith and not miss a beat. In fact, the Ravens have played better.

    With Lewis (torn triceps) out indefinitely, the Ravens were forced to move Jameel McClain to the middle and insert Dannell Ellerbe at weakside linebacker.

    In the past month, Ellerbe has been the Ravens' most consistent linebacker as far as stopping the run and putting pressure on the quarterback. It took McClain a little while to adjust, but he has become a plugger inside like Lewis, but more physical than Lewis was earlier this year when he decided to drop 17-20 pounds before the season starter.

    Smith, a first-round pick two years ago, has missed the past two weeks with a groin injury. Replacement Corey Graham has been an upgrade. He's more physical than Smith and able to play press coverage. Graham isn't afraid to jam receivers.

    Graham also plays the ball much better than Smith and knocked down two passes late in the game in the Ravens' win against San Diego.

    Meanwhile, Ellerbe left the game in the second quarter with a foot ailment but is expected to start Sunday against the Steelers.


     

    Ravens seem to be following  jints script from 2011...  4 game skid during reg season... Seemingly "turn it around" in playoffs with a couple wins but if you look closer, these wins are not that impressive. 

     Indy was a flawed team playing over their heads and the win over gomer and his chicken wing arm was fortunate with that late bomb, and gomer mistake.

    pats D has improved 10 fold from last year while offense has seen similar improvement.  these are more significant facts than Baltimore's .

     

     
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    Re: Baltimore's New Defense.

    I see that "averages" are only relevent when making a point about opposing teams but in regards to the Pat's it's always "well it's only 3%" or the difference in ranking 17th in rushing attempts vs being ranked 2nd is so little...

    This offense is subtantially better than the team that got bounced in the 1st round of the playoffs with Obie at the helm.  Let's start with the bookend tackles, bigger and better, and then look to the tightends where we've had much better depth all season.  Even without Gronk having Huey and Fells added to Hernandez is automatically going to give you a more potent running attack.  

    I love how we carried 6 receivers on last years team and currently we have 3 but there is no difference between the philosophy of this year vs year's past.  You guys are in denial, this offense is tougher, more smashmouth than we've had since 2008 and probably better than any of our championship years.  The defense is rebuilt, the offense plays complimentary football with that defense and the difference has been the coordinator and return of Patriot football.

     

     
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    new or old, seems like we have interesting games vs. the Ravens.  I would say that it's in the top 1 or 2 rivalries we have going (the other being Pittsburg).

    The raven defense will be pumped up due to Lewis' impending retirement. The bottom line is that if they can get to Brady AND cover Patriot receivers to keep a close game (meaning less than 10 pts) - then they have a shot of beating the Patriots.

    We're at home, we already lost to the Ravens - so, I'm thinking the Patriots have an edge in this game - even without Gronk.  Brady and the RB corp can't turn over the ball.

    The Patriots have improved since the beginning of the year, Talib was the key in allowing more flexibility in where BB places players.

    It'll be fun to watch, for sure.

     
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    I see that "averages" are only relevent when making a point about opposing teams but in regards to the Pat's it's always "well it's only 3%" or the difference in ranking 17th in rushing attempts vs being ranked 2nd is so little...

    This offense is subtantially better than the team that got bounced in the 1st round of the playoffs with Obie at the helm.  Let's start with the bookend tackles, bigger and better, and then look to the tightends where we've had much better depth all season.  Even without Gronk having Huey and Fells added to Hernandez is automatically going to give you a more potent running attack.  

    I love how we carried 6 receivers on last years team and currently we have 3 but there is no difference between the philosophy of this year vs year's past.  You guys are in denial, this offense is tougher, more smashmouth than we've had since 2008 and probably better than any of our championship years.  The defense is rebuilt, the offense plays complimentary football with that defense and the difference has been the coordinator and return of Patriot football.

     



    This is purely your opinion. All the stats point to an offense that is, at most, only marginally more productive than last years.  You can disregard the stats and say the tackles are better (newsflash, we had Solder and Vollmer last year too--plus Matt Light).  Or you can claim that the receivers are less deep. (We pretty much played Branch and Welker all last year, so we really utilized only two as well--no big difference.)  And you can argue what you want about TEs, but this year and last we've mostly used two TE formations--again, no difference. 

    As far as play calling, there's a slight increase in running percentage, but it's marginal.  The big difference this year is that our RBs are better and Lloyd creates a bit more of a perimeter threat than Branch did.  The running game is more productive--but it's not the result of different personel packages (we were two TE most of the time last year too) or difference in play design or even (really) the run-pass mix.  The major difference in run productivity has to do with the switch from BJGE to Ridley.  Letting BJGE walk and getting Ridley up to speed is the major change in the offense.  It has allowed us to use the run more effectively, which means more diversity.  But overall offensive production is almost the same: over the 16 game regular season, this year's offense produced two TDs and one FG more than last year's.  That's almost identical.  And in yards gained, they were identical. Productionwise, there's just no significant difference despite what you keep claiming. 

     

     
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    I see that "averages" are only relevent when making a point about opposing teams but in regards to the Pat's it's always "well it's only 3%" or the difference in ranking 17th in rushing attempts vs being ranked 2nd is so little...

    This offense is subtantially better than the team that got bounced in the 1st round of the playoffs with Obie at the helm.  Let's start with the bookend tackles, bigger and better, and then look to the tightends where we've had much better depth all season.  Even without Gronk having Huey and Fells added to Hernandez is automatically going to give you a more potent running attack.  

    I love how we carried 6 receivers on last years team and currently we have 3 but there is no difference between the philosophy of this year vs year's past.  You guys are in denial, this offense is tougher, more smashmouth than we've had since 2008 and probably better than any of our championship years.  The defense is rebuilt, the offense plays complimentary football with that defense and the difference has been the coordinator and return of Patriot football.

     



    This is purely your opinion. All the stats point to an offense that is, at most, only marginally more productive than last years.  You can disregard the stats and say the tackles are better (newsflash, we had Solder and Vollmer last year too--plus Matt Light).  Or you can claim that the receivers are less deep. (We pretty much played Branch and Welker all last year, so we really utilized only two as well--no big difference.)  And you can argue what you want about TEs, but this year and last we've mostly used two TE formations--again, no difference. 

    As far as play calling, there's a slight increase in running percentage, but it's marginal.  The big difference this year is that our RBs are better and Lloyd creates a bit more of a perimeter threat than Branch did.  The running game is more productive--but it's not the result of different personel packages (we were two TE most of the time last year too) or difference in play design or even (really) the run-pass mix.  The major difference in run productivity has to do with the switch from BJGE to Ridley.  Letting BJGE walk and getting Ridley up to speed is the major change in the offense.  It has allowed us to use the run more, which means more diversity.  But overall production is almost the same: over the 16 game regular season, this year's offense produced two TDs and one FG more than last year's.  That's almost identical.  And in yards gained, they were identical. Productionwise, there's just no difference despite what you keep claiming. 

     



    Funny how Zbellino lists actual, relevant facts, like the points scored, points allowed, number of passes, number of runs, number of turnovers, number of drives, plays out of shotgun, etc. that all clearly prove his point, and they respond with generalities like, "We have bigger offensive tackles now.  Goodell has made it an offense driven league."

    Tears!

     
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    I see that "averages" are only relevent when making a point about opposing teams but in regards to the Pat's it's always "well it's only 3%" or the difference in ranking 17th in rushing attempts vs being ranked 2nd is so little...

    This offense is subtantially better than the team that got bounced in the 1st round of the playoffs with Obie at the helm.  Let's start with the bookend tackles, bigger and better, and then look to the tightends where we've had much better depth all season.  Even without Gronk having Huey and Fells added to Hernandez is automatically going to give you a more potent running attack.  

    I love how we carried 6 receivers on last years team and currently we have 3 but there is no difference between the philosophy of this year vs year's past.  You guys are in denial, this offense is tougher, more smashmouth than we've had since 2008 and probably better than any of our championship years.  The defense is rebuilt, the offense plays complimentary football with that defense and the difference has been the coordinator and return of Patriot football.

     



    This is purely your opinion. All the stats point to an offense that is, at most, only marginally more productive than last years.  You can disregard the stats and say the tackles are better (newsflash, we had Solder and Vollmer last year too--plus Matt Light).  Or you can claim that the receivers are less deep. (We pretty much played Branch and Welker all last year, so we really utilized only two as well--no big difference.)  And you can argue what you want about TEs, but this year and last we've mostly used two TE formations--again, no difference. 

    As far as play calling, there's a slight increase in running percentage, but it's marginal.  The big difference this year is that our RBs are better and Lloyd creates a bit more of a perimeter threat than Branch did.  The running game is more productive--but it's not the result of different personel packages (we were two TE most of the time last year too) or difference in play design or even (really) the run-pass mix.  The major difference in run productivity has to do with the switch from BJGE to Ridley.  Letting BJGE walk and getting Ridley up to speed is the major change in the offense.  It has allowed us to use the run more, which means more diversity.  But overall production is almost the same: over the 16 game regular season, this year's offense produced two TDs and one FG more than last year's.  That's almost identical.  And in yards gained, they were identical. Productionwise, there's just no difference despite what you keep claiming. 

     



    Funny how Zbellino lists actual, relevant facts, like the points scored, points allowed, number of passes, number of runs, number of turnovers, number of drives, plays out of shotgun, etc. that all clearly prove his point, and they respond with generalities like, "We have bigger offensive tackles now.  Goodell has made it an offense driven league."

    Tears!



    These guys just can't admit that the offense last year was good--very good.  They complained about it all last year and thought they could coach better than Belichick and his staff. Now they are desperately trying to tell us that there's been some kind of radical change in production to justify their completely unfair and unfounded criticism of O'Brien.  McDaniels is great too--maybe even better than O'Brien--but please, O'Brien did a great job too.  The coaching for this team has never been the problem since Belichick got here. Truth.

     

     

     
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    I see that "averages" are only relevent when making a point about opposing teams but in regards to the Pat's it's always "well it's only 3%" or the difference in ranking 17th in rushing attempts vs being ranked 2nd is so little...

    This offense is subtantially better than the team that got bounced in the 1st round of the playoffs with Obie at the helm.  Let's start with the bookend tackles, bigger and better, and then look to the tightends where we've had much better depth all season.  Even without Gronk having Huey and Fells added to Hernandez is automatically going to give you a more potent running attack.  

    I love how we carried 6 receivers on last years team and currently we have 3 but there is no difference between the philosophy of this year vs year's past.  You guys are in denial, this offense is tougher, more smashmouth than we've had since 2008 and probably better than any of our championship years.  The defense is rebuilt, the offense plays complimentary football with that defense and the difference has been the coordinator and return of Patriot football.

     

    Pats offense is way better.  You mentioned receivers... Lloyd over ocho is a no brainer,  and then you have the tiquan Underwood situation.  Would love to hear what obie opologists say to explain that fiasco.  Giving that bozo snaps all year and then cutting him the day before Superbowl. 

    Mcd is using the talents of vereen, Ridley, Hernandez, Lloyd, ... Spreading ball around.  Huey is a solid gronk replacement.  pats will run the ball on ravens.  This game could be a blowout.  (payback for 09)...

     
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    Going from 17th in the league in rushing attempts to 2nd is not opinion.  

    That we had 6 receivers on the roster last year and now have 3 is not an opinion.  

    Truechamp posts stats and facts via Mike Reis and they respond with "percentages" and "averages."  

    How about you guys just admit that a well rounded, balanced offense that can both run and pass under duress is better than a finesse offense that couldn't do either?  

    Don't bother, this year's post season results will be all the proof we need when held up against the 3 rings we did win with the same exact methods in the not so distant past. 

     
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    Brady just set a career high in pass attempts this year.  He threw more passes than he did last year when everyone complained he threw too much.

     
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    Brady just set a career high in pass attempts this year.  He threw more passes than he did last year when everyone complained he threw too much.



    Nobody complained that he threw too much, many of us complained that we didn't run enough, it's not the same thing.

     
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    You can be sure that last year's team as well as the previous three offenses' never would have scored 41 points against the Texans.  

    Last year we scored 45 against the Broncos because Tebow completed 9-26 passes, this Texan's team was a much more well rounded team that we've typically lost to over the past 4 years.  23 points was the ceiling for scoring in our playoff run under Obie besides that one sided drubbing of Denver who just couldn't throw.

    Beyond that score we've hardly approached the 30 point mark in the playoffs over the past four years against worse teams...

     
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    Looking at all these stats and "tendancies" is nice, but, no matter what is said here, the play on the field Sunday will tell the tale.

    Do we "like" to think the Ravens D is older and a bit slower, seems yes, but, they did a good job against Manning limiting him to only 3 scores when he was on the field for 5 quarters.  By the same token, we look at the Ravens O and their propensity to "go over the top" with deep passes which are a thorn in the side for the Pats D.  Not likely given the improvement in the D since the first Ravens game.

    As for the Pats O, it has definitely evolved since that first game with a much better running attack and it has learned to live without Gronk.  Given the Texans had another shot to stop this offense this past Sunday and it still put up 41 points without Gronk, seems to indicate the O is clicking.

    All in all, the x-factor is emotion and the Ravens are high on the "revenge" and "win it for Ray" meter.  As for the Pats, it is AFCCG #7 since 2001, yawn!!!!

     
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    Nobody complained that he threw too much, many of us complained that we didn't run enough, it's not the same thing.



    Then you can't complain about the use of percentages.  If you run more and pass more is that really a change in philosophy or did you simply run more plays?  I think it's disingenuous to harp on the number of rushing attempts and then dismiss the fact that Brady attempted more passes as well.  Particularly since some people (maybe not you) harp on the pass/run ratio from our previous SBs (which is in fact percentages).  I do think we ran more this year than last and I do think this offense is better than last year's, but I think the reasons are a bit more sophisticated than playcalling alone.  Do I think McD is better than O'Brien?  Sure, but it's not just playcalling imo.  In addition there is a difference between playcalling and run/pass ratio which I think is a distinction that is not made often enough in these discussions.

     
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    Well at least Wozzy is still trying, and he is definitely right that this was their best year of rushing in a while.  Meanwhile Rusty seems to have fled with his tail between his legs.  LMAO.

     
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    Nobody complained that he threw too much, many of us complained that we didn't run enough, it's not the same thing.



    Then you can't complain about the use of percentages.  If you run more and pass more is that really a change in philosophy or did you simply run more plays?  I think it's disingenuous to harp on the number of rushing attempts and then dismiss the fact that Brady attempted more passes as well.  Particularly since some people (maybe not you) harp on the pass/run ratio from our previous SBs (which is in fact percentages).  I do think we ran more this year than last and I do think this offense is better than last year's, but I think the reasons are a bit more sophisticated than playcalling alone.  Do I think McD is better than O'Brien?  Sure, but it's not just playcalling imo.  In addition there is a difference between playcalling and run/pass ratio which I think is a distinction that is not made often enough in these discussions.



    Last year NE was the worst team in the postseason after Detroit in time of possession, this year we run more, the well rested defense makes more plays on the ball... shocking, not really. Yes the defense has improved slightly but the offense spending more time on the field and leading the NFL in first downs certainly has something to do with it.

     

     
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    And with all these fancy convoluted stats the one that stands out, the most glaring:

    Last year 17 points scored against the Giants (thanks defense for doing what you could).

    2010 = 21 points scored in a home loss to the Jets (Benny spends the first half on the bench, thanks Obie, good job) 18 points in the 2nd half btw...

    2009 = 14 points scored against the Ravens in a home playoff loss. 3 INT's by Brady, is this the picture of efficiency?

    Don't put all your eggs in the offensive basket, then blame the D when the offense doesn't live up to it's "averages."

     
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