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Baltimore's New Defense.

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    Re: Baltimore's New Defense.

    In response to RockScully's comment:

    "Scoring Ds"?  NE's D has led the AFC 3 straight years in turnovers created. That means Brady gets far more drives than most QBs in this league.

    Your lover has to be better in the postseason, especially AFC title games. His last 2 at home yielded a total of FIVE Ints.

     



    That's not true. The patriots offensive drives have been at or below the nfl average the past few seasons. Brady actually gets fewer drives than most other QBs. In 2010, they had only 158 drives, the lowest in the league.  Last year they had 173, which was fourth lowest, and this year they had 180, about middle of the pack.

     

     
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    Re: Baltimore's New Defense.

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    "Scoring Ds"?  NE's D has led the AFC 3 straight years in turnovers created. That means Brady gets far more drives than most QBs in this league.

    Your lover has to be better in the postseason, especially AFC title games. His last 2 at home yielded a total of FIVE Ints.

     

     



    That's not true. The patriots offensive drives have been at or below the nfl average the past few seasons. Brady actually gets fewer drives than most other QBs. In 2010, they had only 158 drives, the lowest in the league.  Last year they had 173, which was fourth lowest, and this year they had 180, about middle of the pack.

     

     

     




    What?

     

    Source please.

     

     



    Football outsiders has the drive stats. My numbers are from there.

     

     
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    Re: Baltimore's New Defense.

    In response to RockScully's comment:

    "Scoring Ds"?  NE's D has led the AFC 3 straight years in turnovers created. That means Brady gets far more drives than most QBs in this league.

    Your lover has to be better in the postseason, especially AFC title games. His last 2 at home yielded a total of FIVE Ints.

     




    Turn overs don't result in more drives.  The opponent has the same amount of drives.

    Do you actually watch Football?

     
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    Re: Baltimore's New Defense.

    Turnovers may shorten drives, which will mean more of them, but both teams will still have the same (or nearly the same) number of drives

     
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    Re: Baltimore's New Defense.

    My comments are my own. The drive numbers I report and base my comments on are from www.footballoutsiders.com.

     

     
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    Re: Baltimore's New Defense.

    In response to RockScully's comment:

    In response to pezz4pats's comment:

     

    In response to RockScully's comment:

     

    "Scoring Ds"?  NE's D has led the AFC 3 straight years in turnovers created. That means Brady gets far more drives than most QBs in this league.

    Your lover has to be better in the postseason, especially AFC title games. His last 2 at home yielded a total of FIVE Ints.

     

     




    Turn overs don't result in more drives.  The opponent has the same amount of drives.

     

    Do you actually watch Football?

     



    Umm, if our team does not turn it over and we force 2 turnovers, we gain 2 additional drives.

     

    Did you graduate high school?

     




    We don't gain any additional drives.  Did you graduate 3rd grade?

     
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    Re: Baltimore's New Defense.

    In response to RockScully's comment:

    In response to pezz4pats's comment:

     

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    "Scoring Ds"?  NE's D has led the AFC 3 straight years in turnovers created. That means Brady gets far more drives than most QBs in this league.

    Your lover has to be better in the postseason, especially AFC title games. His last 2 at home yielded a total of FIVE Ints.

     

     




    Turn overs don't result in more drives.  The opponent has the same amount of drives.

     

    Do you actually watch Football?

     



    Umm, if our team does not turn it over and we force 2 turnovers, we gain 2 additional drives.

     

    Did you graduate high school?

     



    Actually we just get our next possession sooner than if our opponent's drive had ended some other way (punt, score, turnover on downs).  Turnovers help you because they stop your opponent from scoring on their drive and you often get the ball with better field position helping you score more easily. Because they shorten drives they may also increase the number of drives in the game, but this isn't definite, and because possessions almost always alternate they rarely give you more possessions than your opponent will have. 

     
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    Re: Baltimore's New Defense.

    In response to RockScully's comment:

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    My comments are my own. The drive numbers I report and base my comments on are from www.footballoutsiders.com.

     

     




    Ok, I'll ask you again. Please source those numbers.

     



    The source for the third time is www.footballoutsiders.com. 

     

     
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    Re: Baltimore's New Defense.

    In response to RockScully's comment:

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    "Scoring Ds"?  NE's D has led the AFC 3 straight years in turnovers created. That means Brady gets far more drives than most QBs in this league.

    Your lover has to be better in the postseason, especially AFC title games. His last 2 at home yielded a total of FIVE Ints.

     

     




    Turn overs don't result in more drives.  The opponent has the same amount of drives.

     

    Do you actually watch Football?

     



    Umm, if our team does not turn it over and we force 2 turnovers, we gain 2 additional drives.

     

    Did you graduate high school?

     

     



     

    Actually we just get our next possession sooner than if our opponent's drive had ended some other way (punt, score, turnover on downs).  Turnovers help you because they stop your opponent from scoring on their drive and you often get the ball with better field position helping you score more easily. Because they shorten drives they may also increase the number of drives in the game, but this isn't definite, and because possessions almost always alternate they rarely give you more possessions than your opponent will have. 

     



    "sooner"?

     

    Dear Dummy,

    Turnovers are momentum shifters.

    Did you play sports? Serriously. Answer that question. A turnover is far more devastating than a punt. Trust me.   I played sports. I can tell you didn't.  

    Oh my freaking god. I would use a different word there, but it's not allowed.

     



    Sports or no sports it's clear you weren't very good at math.

     
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    Re: Baltimore's New Defense.

    In response to RockScully's comment:

    In response to prolate0spheroid's comment:

     

    In response to RockScully's comment:

     

    In response to prolate0spheroid's comment:

     

    My comments are my own. The drive numbers I report and base my comments on are from www.footballoutsiders.com.

     

     




    Ok, I'll ask you again. Please source those numbers.

     

     



     

    The source for the third time is www.footballoutsiders.com. 

     

     




    Yes, source it.  Go to that site and source that data.   Don't mouth off and not support it. You wouldn't last 2 seconds in a History 101 course, you little dork.

     

    Oh my god. Who do you think you are?    You can't present what you stated?

     



    You can up look it up yourself. I'm not going to cut and paste from my iPad because you're too lazy to go to the site yourself and click on the statistics tab then click on drive stats.

     
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    Re: Baltimore's New Defense.

    Your opponent's possession that ended with the turnover would, in the absence of the turnover, have ended some other way. The turnover brings their possession to an end sooner than it would have ended otherwise and without producing a score for them and possibly also gives you your next possession with better starting field position. But their possession would have ended some other way and you gotten the next possession even if the turnover didn't occur.

    Now shortened possessions may lead to more possessions during the game, but since possessions alternate each team will (generally) have the same number of possessions as the other team. The turnover won't result in the team that created the turnover having two or three more possessions than the other team has. Possessions will remain alternating and therefore roughly equal.

     
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    Re: Baltimore's New Defense.

    In response to RockScully's comment:

    In response to prolate0spheroid's comment:

     

    In response to RockScully's comment:

     

    In response to prolate0spheroid's comment:

     

    In response to RockScully's comment:

     

    In response to prolate0spheroid's comment:

     

    My comments are my own. The drive numbers I report and base my comments on are from www.footballoutsiders.com.

     

     




    Ok, I'll ask you again. Please source those numbers.

     

     



     

    The source for the third time is www.footballoutsiders.com. 

     

     




    Yes, source it.  Go to that site and source that data.   Don't mouth off and not support it. You wouldn't last 2 seconds in a History 101 course, you little dork.

     

    Oh my god. Who do you think you are?    You can't present what you stated?

     

     



    You can up look it up yourself. I'm not going to cut and paste from my iPad because you're too lazy to go to the site yourself and click on the statistics tab then click on drive stats.

     

     




    I am not too lazy. I think you are a liar. I want to see you paste what your premise states above.

     

    It speaks volumes you can't do that with your fancy iPad, you dork. Tell me, what sports did you play growing up, Prolate?  Hmm? Also, I think we missed where you grew up.

    lmao

    Gee, "TexasPat" and "Prolate" each of whom aren't from New England sure have a lot to say as bandwagoners.

     



    Well then you'll just have to wait.

     
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    Re: Baltimore's New Defense.

    In response to RockScully's comment:

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    "Scoring Ds"?  NE's D has led the AFC 3 straight years in turnovers created. That means Brady gets far more drives than most QBs in this league.

    Your lover has to be better in the postseason, especially AFC title games. His last 2 at home yielded a total of FIVE Ints.

     

     




    Turn overs don't result in more drives.  The opponent has the same amount of drives.

     

    Do you actually watch Football?

     



    Umm, if our team does not turn it over and we force 2 turnovers, we gain 2 additional drives.

     

    Did you graduate high school?

     

     




    We don't gain any additional drives.  Did you graduate 3rd grade?

     

     




    So, you are saying if our D creates turnovers, this doesn't help our offense in gaining additional drives we otherwise wouldn't have had?

     

    Do you think your mental illness is something that can be cured?

    In summary, a fumble and an INT by our D, does not put additional drives into Brady's hands.

    This is your premise?

    lmao

    Do you really think you can get away with this? Are you that nervous for Brady choking on Sunday to protect those pink panties of yours? Hmm?

    Also, I don't believe you shared with us what your career is.  Please share.

     

     




    That's correct.  A fumble or turn over won't put additional drives in TB's Hands.

    The only thing that will put more drives in Brady's hands is TIME.

    Does a turn over after the opponent has had the ball for 5 minutes increase drives?  NO! It merely ends the drive and then you get the ball the same way a 3rd down stop would.

    Does a TO  by the D increase possessions if it's after 2 minutes?  Or 1?  NOPE! 

    In a 12 possession game, you have to kill almost 5 minutes off the clock to get 1 more drive

    60 /12=5  60/13=4.62  per drive.    .38 (the dff)x's 12 drives = 4.65.  This is usually done by reducing a number of drives to = that time.

    Just the same as you have to run your o for 4 minutes and 45 seconds (more then 2 minutes more for each and every drive) to reduce drives by 4., resulting in an 8 possession game.

    Thanks for showing us, once again, how much football smarts you don't have.

    Does a TO by the D on our 10 yard line give you good field position?  NO!  It gives you horrible field position.

    None of this results in any more possessions than the other team has.  Again, the only thing that can do that is TIme running out at the half or end of game.

    Everything you say is Blatently FALSE!

     

    And it does not give them more drives than their opponent, as you imply.

     
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    Re: Baltimore's New Defense.

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    I am saying that Wozzy's argument that number of possessions doesn't matter is flawed.  You and he keep harping on the fact that the O averaged 35 ppg in the regular season.  The least number of possessions that it takes to score 35 points is 5 (5 TD's).  If the Patriots scored 5 TDs in the last SB it would have required them to score a TD on 5/8 drives.  Do you know any offense that scores TDs on almost 63% of their drives.  Because I don't.

     



    And you'd be wrong.  We aren't harping on the offense scoring 35 ppg, in fact we aren't looking at averages at all, because they have NO bearing on one game.  The offense scored 17 points and gave back 2 on a safety, turning it over twice = 15 points.  In today's NFL that's a joke...

     

    You can put lipstick on a pig and say how great it feels compared to average, human skin but you'd still wake up the next morning beside a pig.  

    These stats based on "averages" per drive, the idea that the length of the drive is something that Belichick is sitting there charting in game is foolish.  The offense is the biggest determining factor on how long a drive lasts, they control their own destiny, so even by your standards the offense laid a turd.  

    The Patriot's offense couldn't sustain any drives, couldn't score more than 17 points and turned it over twice.  To try and paint that as great offense is a joke, and anyone who buys into this junk science is either over thinking it or a complete maroon.

    I'm not going to continue arguing this because I believe it to be complete garbage and arguing with fools makes me look foolish.  When BB comes out and states how important average per drive stats are, then maybe then I'll listen, but instead what we have is a group who have been vehemently insisting that the running game plays no part in a successful championship team and that a team can win by passing alone trying to convince us that this turd the Pat's offense laid was really gold.

    Belichick says the most important stats after wins are points for, points against and turnovers... all this other stuff, while it might tell a story is irrelevant when held up to these stats.

    Funny how you guys laud the Giant's for their ball control offense but knock those of us who have been lobbying for a more efficient offense for the past 4 years.

     
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