Baltimore's New Defense.

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    The only confidence I have going into this AFCCG is that the Pats finally have some versatility on offesne that forces an aged (yet determined) crow D to work that much harder to compensate.  The Pats however must play almost mistake free football.  I'd like nothing better than to see Lewis leave the field without a victory.  There is something about this Ravens team that makes them extremely unlikeable.  

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    Baltimore is peaking right now, surely riding a crest of emotion from Ray Lewis' retirement anouncement (which I think is a farce btw, he'll be back). 

    But I hear a refrain about their "tired" defense. 

    Stat check on recent play.

    In the last four weeks, getting more contribution from a somewhat healed Suggs and Kruger rushing they have:

    Held the #4, #6, #10 and #12 offenses to an average of 16.75 points per game, including a double overtime game in which they allowed only 21 points to Denver's "vaunted" attack. 

    They are old foes of NE, and each side knows the other well, so it should be close.

    Which Baltimore defense do we expect to see, the one who had that terrible stretch in the middle of season when Suggs and Ray Lewis were out? Or the one that has shown up and been as terrific as ever the last month? 

     

     

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    True. I think it will be a close game, don't think anyone is saying it will be a blowout. But consider that they were VERY lucky to just eek by NE in week 3 when the Pats secondary was in shambles, no Talib, McCourty still at cb, the running game still in development, and it took a lot of help from the replacement refs and a last second FG that probably wasnt to beat the Pats by only one point at home. This is a playoff game at Foxboro, improved NE D, better balance on O--the only bad thing is no Gronkowski, but we didn't have Hernandez the first time. I won't die of shock if the Ravens win, but if I was a betting man, I'd bet on NE. It's SF that scares me. No Gronk against them could be a problem. 

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    Exactly, they faced our Soft zone schemes with # 32 and Moore at CB?? Now we have two physical guys in Talib and Dennard who get after it. Dennard will take on Torrey with Help and Talib can check Bolden one on one. Pitta will be backeted on 3rd downs by WIlson and Gregory and the front 7 will  handle Rice. I actually feel pretty good about this game!

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    That is the key. 

    NE has the versatility now to mix in some Cover-1. 

    That means an extra safety up front, which could mean an extra blitzer, or someone to be an RB spy. 

    Baltimore's offense is not as good as the team NE just beat. The Texans offense scores about 26 per game, while the Ravens score about 23.

    This defense *should* be able to hold them to 21 points in an average game. 

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    Baltimore's new defense is about to get manhandled by the Pats new offense. When baltimore is forced to adjust after too much WW,Rid and vareen Brady will hit Lloyd on a PA 40 yard td.

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    New England didn't run anything new. They essentially ran Woodhead's sets.

    Mostly shotgun, mostly 2 TE. Vereen with 38 of the 66 snaps. Kicking him out wide as need be. 

    It's too late in the season to re-invent the wheel. 

    Vereen does, however, pose matchup problems that Woodhead does not. Specifically on off-tackle plays and split wide or on wheel routes.

    That is something that Baltimore will need to pay attention to. 

     
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    ZB... you always bring a lot of thoughtful insight to this board. The person you are debating always attempts to denigrate whom ever disagrees with him with demeaning remarks. You are wasting your time talking to him.  Please keep up the informative posts.

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    Oh please!  You're the guy whom I bludgeoned in early November leading up the election. You kept re-terating extreme right wing rhetoric and you got totally embarrased with my well laid out premises and facts.

    How is me telling Z that he is FACTUALLY INCORRECT about their D being better with Ray Lewis back than without him, me "denigrating" him?

    Z thinks he's the smartest person here, as does Prolate, but when they get caught, I will call them out.

    He's also the same guy who has been bashing our D, while ignoring Brady's god awful mind melt downs in big games in the recent postseasons, while praising another team's D that isn't as good as he claims?

    The Ravens LB has helped in run support, but not in pass coverage Originally Published: January 14, 2013   By Vince Verhei | Football Outsiders

     

     

    "The Baltimore Ravens lost four of their last five regular-season games, but they've turned things around in the playoffs with two wins in a row to reach the AFC Championship Game. That two-game win streak coincides with Ray Lewis' return to the Baltimore lineup, and considering that Baltimore started hot this year with Lewis on the field, one could assume that the Ravens' fortunes hang simply on the presence (or absence) of their future Hall of Fame linebacker.

     

     

    A closer look at the numbers shows that Lewis makes a real impact on the Baltimore defense, and that he has been one of the best players in the league this postseason. However, there is a hole in his game, and that weakness could cost the Ravens dearly against New England."

     

     

    Ravens report: Defense better without Ray Lewis, Jimmy Smith

    Published Monday, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:12 am EST Mike Preston Sporting News     View Comments
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    OWINGS MILLS, Md.—One of the main reasons for the Ravens' success has been their ability to replace injured starters like Ray Lewis and Jimmy Smith and not miss a beat. In fact, the Ravens have played better.

    With Lewis (torn triceps) out indefinitely, the Ravens were forced to move Jameel McClain to the middle and insert Dannell Ellerbe at weakside linebacker.

    In the past month, Ellerbe has been the Ravens' most consistent linebacker as far as stopping the run and putting pressure on the quarterback. It took McClain a little while to adjust, but he has become a plugger inside like Lewis, but more physical than Lewis was earlier this year when he decided to drop 17-20 pounds before the season starter.

    Smith, a first-round pick two years ago, has missed the past two weeks with a groin injury. Replacement Corey Graham has been an upgrade. He's more physical than Smith and able to play press coverage. Graham isn't afraid to jam receivers.

    Graham also plays the ball much better than Smith and knocked down two passes late in the game in the Ravens' win against San Diego.

    Meanwhile, Ellerbe left the game in the second quarter with a foot ailment but is expected to start Sunday against the Steelers.

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    Ravens with Lewis:

    7-1

    18.5 ppg. 

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    Ravens without Lewis:

    5-5

    23.6 ppg

    Ellerbe did come on, he was fantastic against Denver. But I'm not sure that article is really well thought out. 

    Every basic statistic shows they missed their captain on defense. Maybe it's his game calling from the ILB spot, or his presence in the locker-room. 

    But they missed him. 

    FACT is .... they are a way better team with him playing. Just look at the record and stats. 

     
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    We could not run the ball last time...  34 for 77yds or something like that...

    Baltimore is not picking, they are playing at a 80% of their power !

    we can take them...

     
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    Baltimore's new defense is about to get manhandled by the Pats new offense. When baltimore is forced to adjust after too much WW,Rid and vareen Brady will hit Lloyd on a PA 40 yard td.

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    New England didn't run anything new. They essentially ran Woodhead's sets.

    Mostly shotgun, mostly 2 TE. Vereen with 38 of the 66 snaps. Kicking him out wide as need be. 

    It's too late in the season to re-invent the wheel. 

    Vereen does, however, pose matchup problems that Woodhead does not. Specifically on off-tackle plays and split wide or on wheel routes.

    That is something that Baltimore will need to pay attention to. 

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    N.E lead the LG in rushing tds.

    N.E was 2nd in the LG in rushing att's.

    They run the ball out of a no huddle formation more then any team ever has before.

    N.E uses the shotgun offense less then ever before as Reiss shows below.

    N.E has an offensive CO. who in Tom Brady's words "makes adjustments better then anybody he's ever been around" We were 2nd in the LG in rushing att's despite only improving our rush yards per carry by .2 from last year.

     You might think our offense is the same we had under Obrien, but you would be wrong.

     

    Brady added that offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels' ability to excel when the team has had to adjust this season gives him confidence.

    "That's what Josh does better than anybody else that I've been around; his ability to adjust like he's done all season," he said.

     

    9:00 AM ET By Mike Reiss | ESPNBoston.com One statistic that was charted over the course of the 16-game season was how often the Patriots had quarterback Tom Brady in the shotgun.

    The idea for keeping the statistic was sparked after the season opener against the Titans when Brady was in the 'gun just 13 times. That was the first sign of a shift of sorts from what we've seen in recent years from the Patriots, and the feeling here is that it's tied to a greater focus on balance between the run and pass.

    On the season, when including penalties, the Patriots were in the shotgun 47.1 percent of the time (585 of 1,240, including penalties). That is a lower percentage than the norm and reflects, from this view, a commitment to the running game that hasn't been as consistent in the past.

    Usage of the shotgun
    vs. Dolphins:
    31 of 80 (3 runs, 26 passes, 2 pre-snap penalties)
    at Jaguars: 36 of 73 (4 runs, 32 passes)
    vs. 49ers: 59 of 96 (5 runs, 54 passes)
    vs. Texans: 31 of 73 (4 runs, 27 passes)
    at Dolphins: 35 of 79 (3 runs, 32 passes)
    at Jets: 20 of 68 (2 runs, 16 passes, 2 Jets pre-snap penalties)
    vs. Colts: 21 of 61 (0 runs, 21 passes)
    vs. Bills: 38 of 72 (6 runs, 32 passes)
    at Rams: 36 of 69 (4 runs, 32 passes)
    vs. Jets: 42 of 80 (6 runs, 36 passes)
    at Seahawks: 60 of 87 (7 runs, 52 passes, 1 false start)
    vs. Broncos:
    45 of 94 (7 runs, 37 passes, 1 false start)
    at Bills: 30 of 77 (6 runs, 24 passes)
    at Ravens: 41 of 82 (6 runs, 34 passes, 1 fumbled snap)
    vs. Cardinals: 47 of 82 (9 runs, 38 passes
     
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    Ellerbe is a force.........Pats better be very aware of him......this Ravens team can still get after the quarterback. They need to make this Ravens defense run early.....sweeps to the sidelines....get them moving sideways

     
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    If you must beg for the comparison again, fine. 


    Really simple. 

    It took Denver 16 drives to score that 21. And along the way Baltimore forced 2 three and outs, forced three turnovers, and had on TD scoring pick six. 

    IT took NY 8 drives (far below the NFL average) to score 21 points. Along the way there wasn't a single turnover, a single three and out, or even a single 5 and out. 

    Denver was the #2/#4 offense playing at home. 

    The Giants were the #9/#16 offense playing at a neutral site. 

    Allow that to register: Denver had TWICE as many chances to score, and Baltimore allowed the same amount of points. 

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    Again, their running on this "Let's win it for Ray!" routine. But, technically, their D was better without him.

    Leave it to ZBellino to try to change facts.

     

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    The "facts" are the Ravens win a LOT higher percentage of their games WITH Ray playing than without, even if somehow they are "technically"(?) better

    7-1 = 85% WIN rate

    5-5 = 50%

     
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    Baltimore's new defense is about to get manhandled by the Pats new offense. When baltimore is forced to adjust after too much WW,Rid and vareen Brady will hit Lloyd on a PA 40 yard td.

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    New England didn't run anything new. They essentially ran Woodhead's sets.

    Mostly shotgun, mostly 2 TE. Vereen with 38 of the 66 snaps. Kicking him out wide as need be. 

    It's too late in the season to re-invent the wheel. 

    Vereen does, however, pose matchup problems that Woodhead does not. Specifically on off-tackle plays and split wide or on wheel routes.

    That is something that Baltimore will need to pay attention to. 

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    N.E lead the LG in rushing tds.

    So?

    N.E was 2nd in the LG in rushing att's.

    They were also #1 in passing attempts up from last year. They ran more plays than last season. Credit the hurry up ... which is basically counterituitive to the running game you seem to want given that it specifically does not slow the game down.

    They run the ball out of a no huddle formation more then any team ever has before.

    Interesting wrinkle. They ran more hurry up than any team in history before, it's why they increased their passing attempts and increased their rushing attempts. 

    N.E uses the shotgun offense less then ever before as Reiss shows below.

    That isn't true. They used it slightly less than last year on average, but used it much more against the Texans.

    N.E has an offensive CO. who in Tom Brady's words "makes adjustments better then anybody he's ever been around" We were 2nd in the LG in rushing att's despite only improving our rush yards per carry by .2 from last year.

    A .2 ypc is a big swing. Especially when you factor that most of that was the lead back, who was far, far more productive, and made the bulk of those carries having a .5 ypc advantage over his predecessor. The .2 figure, all told, tells you more about Woodhead having an off season. 

    Funny, that you don't see this as a compelling factor to run a little more. But again, takes all kinds. 

     You might think our offense is the same we had under Obrien, but you would be wrong.

    No. You are kind of wrong man. It's still more or less a slightly pass oriented PA 2TE attack that relies on flexing the RB out. to score. What they were much better at is running late in games, which BJGE couldn't do for squat, but I digress. The changes you are pointing out are miniscule and really don't mean much. I could understand if they decreased their passing to running by something like 8 or 9 percent, which would be a statistically significant change and indicitive of volition. 

     

    Brady added that offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels' ability to excel when the team has had to adjust this season gives him confidence.

    "That's what Josh does better than anybody else that I've been around; his ability to adjust like he's done all season," he said.

     This has no pertinence to the conversation. Brady said lots of great things about Obrien too. I don't know why you included it. 

    9:00 AM ET By Mike Reiss | ESPNBoston.com

    One statistic that was charted over the course of the 16-game season was how often the Patriots had quarterback Tom Brady in the shotgun.

    The idea for keeping the statistic was sparked after the season opener against the Titans when Brady was in the 'gun just 13 times. That was the first sign of a shift of sorts from what we've seen in recent years from the Patriots, and the feeling here is that it's tied to a greater focus on balance between the run and pass.

    On the season, when including penalties, the Patriots were in the shotgun 47.1 percent of the time (585 of 1,240, including penalties). That is a lower percentage than the norm and reflects, from this view, a commitment to the running game that hasn't been as consistent in the past.

    Usage of the shotgun
    vs. Dolphins:
    31 of 80 (3 runs, 26 passes, 2 pre-snap penalties)
    at Jaguars: 36 of 73 (4 runs, 32 passes)
    vs. 49ers: 59 of 96 (5 runs, 54 passes)
    vs. Texans: 31 of 73 (4 runs, 27 passes)
    at Dolphins: 35 of 79 (3 runs, 32 passes)
    at Jets: 20 of 68 (2 runs, 16 passes, 2 Jets pre-snap penalties)
    vs. Colts: 21 of 61 (0 runs, 21 passes)
    vs. Bills: 38 of 72 (6 runs, 32 passes)
    at Rams: 36 of 69 (4 runs, 32 passes)
    vs. Jets: 42 of 80 (6 runs, 36 passes)
    at Seahawks: 60 of 87 (7 runs, 52 passes, 1 false start)
    vs. Broncos:
    45 of 94 (7 runs, 37 passes, 1 false start)
    at Bills: 30 of 77 (6 runs, 24 passes)
    at Ravens: 41 of 82 (6 runs, 34 passes, 1 fumbled snap)
    vs. Cardinals: 47 of 82 (9 runs, 38 passes[/QUOTE]

    Not really sure what shotgun has to do with balance. You can run out of shotgun very easily. In fact, NE is adept at it. 

    Kind of like yesterday when they passed 40 times? To just 17 runs through 3 quarters? And were in shotgun 65% of the game?

    The change in running was miniscule. What 3%? Sooo, 4 more carries per game? Add in the 2 more passes per game, and the overall balance is pretty much identical.

    And I'm still completely unable to fathom how you see an increased commitment to the run in this week's game. But ... umm... ok. Whatever floats your boat. 

    If 40 passes to 17 runs is a "balanced attack" against the Texans, but 32 passes to 28 runs in the losing effort against the Jets a few years back was "imbalanced,"then there is no point arguing with you, because by balanced you mean "they won" and by imbalanced you mean "they lost" and this is a just a deluded charade to prove to yourself that you are right about something that you are so obvisouly wrong about. 

     
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    If 40 passes to 17 runs is a "balanced attack" against the Texans, but 32 passes to 28 runs in the losing effort against the Jets a few years back was "imbalanced,"then there is no point arguing with you, because by balanced you mean "they won" and by imbalanced you mean "they lost" and this is a just a deluded charade to prove to yourself that you are right about something that you are so obvisouly wrong about

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    This

     
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    If you must beg for the comparison again, fine. 


    Really simple. 

    It took Denver 16 drives to score that 21. And along the way Baltimore forced 2 three and outs, forced three turnovers, and had on TD scoring pick six. 

    IT took NY 8 drives (far below the NFL average) to score 21 points. Along the way there wasn't a single turnover, a single three and out, or even a single 5 and out. 

    Denver was the #2/#4 offense playing at home. 

    The Giants were the #9/#16 offense playing at a neutral site. 

    Allow that to register: Denver had TWICE as many chances to score, and Baltimore allowed the same amount of points. 

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    Umm, did Flacco throw throw an INT, take a Safety or miss plays that helped his team?

    NO.

    Flacco HELPED his own Ravens D. In fact, Flaccos has 12 TDS and 2 INTs in the postseason which BLOWS AWAY Brady's stats.

    Case reopened, and over-turned. Victory ME.

    ZBellino is a moron on this topic.  He just casts off horrendous QB play in our biggest games and then pretends it doesn't have an effect on the team's own D.

     

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    Yeah, he fumbled the ball at midfield. And you know what his defense did? They prevented the other team from scoring and forced a punt on a five and out. It's what good defenses do when an offense turns the ball over. They get the ball back.   

    Do you even watch these games that you comment to frequently on?

    Serious question. 

     
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    If 40 passes to 17 runs is a "balanced attack" against the Texans, but 32 passes to 28 runs in the losing effort against the Jets a few years back was "imbalanced,"then there is no point arguing with you, because by balanced you mean "they won" and by imbalanced you mean "they lost" and this is a just a deluded charade to prove to yourself that you are right about something that you are so obvisouly wrong about

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    [/QUOTE] Yes, because using a pass heavy game plan against a great run D whos secondary is aweful negates our offense being #2 in the LG in rushing att's.  Im not sure wo buries their heads in the sand more, you or your cheerleader Mighty.


     
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    Yeah, he fumbled the ball at midfield. And you know what his defense did? They prevented the other team from scoring and forced a punt on a five and out. It's what good defenses do when an offense turns the ball over. They get the ball back.   

    Do you even watch these games that you comment to frequently on?

    Serious question. 

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    But Z, the sky was slightly cloudy that day, and they were wearing their away uniforms, and drinking red gatorade instead of blue gatorade.  Everyone knows that these make a defense invincible ... so there's no excuse for Brady not stepping up when it's sunny and they've got their home uniforms on and have to drink blue gatorade.  Silly head.

     
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    If you must beg for the comparison again, fine. 


    Really simple. 

    It took Denver 16 drives to score that 21. And along the way Baltimore forced 2 three and outs, forced three turnovers, and had on TD scoring pick six. 

    IT took NY 8 drives (far below the NFL average) to score 21 points. Along the way there wasn't a single turnover, a single three and out, or even a single 5 and out. 

    Denver was the #2/#4 offense playing at home. 

    The Giants were the #9/#16 offense playing at a neutral site. 

    Allow that to register: Denver had TWICE as many chances to score, and Baltimore allowed the same amount of points. 

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    Umm, did Flacco throw throw an INT, take a Safety or miss plays that helped his team?

    NO.

    Flacco HELPED his own Ravens D. In fact, Flaccos has 12 TDS and 2 INTs in the postseason since 2010, which BLOWS AWAY Brady's stats.

    Case reopened, and over-turned. Victory ME.

    ZBellino is a moron on this topic.  He just casts off horrendous QB play in our biggest games and then pretends it doesn't have an effect on the team's own D.

     

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    Flacco has 13 TDs and 8 INTs and a lowly 79 rating career post season. Which is way lower than Brady's ... btw. But if you want to work a slice... ok. 

    Joe has fumbled the ball about once per game over that span you cut out. Brady has 13 Tds and 4 INTs, which is essentially ELITE. But if you count Joe Go's fumbles, 5 to Brady's 1, he actually credited with more turnovers than Brady in that span. 

    Interestingly ... his defense is allowing almost a TD less per game than NE's over that same span. Wonder how that happened???

     

     
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    Since 2010, he has 12 TDs and 2 INTs.  I would expect his stats to not be as strong when he was a rookie or earlier in his postseason career.

    I go by patterns.  The last TWO, more recent postseasons are more relevant to the now than his 6 INTs he threw in the postseason early in his career, Bellino.

    WHat happened? BB just finished a masterful rebuild in 2010 and 2011, with the youngest D in the league that is BETTTER right now than this "terrific" and old Baltimore D that you're so enamored with.

     

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    If you count his fumbles he has turned the ball over as much as Brady since 2010 in the postseason despite playing in 2 games in the wildcard round which are the lower tier of playoff teams.

     
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