Re: BB Comes In At 7th All-Time
posted at 6/5/2013 3:57 PM EDT
In response to zbellino's comment:
In response to pcmIV's comment:
In response to TripleOG's comment:
I would have to agree somewhat with Z with c.w.o.t.b. in terms of his legacy falling a bit in the last 6 years or so. He did win 3 Lombardi's and noone can take that away. He has gone to more SB's but those appearances IMO have hurt him more than anything. If he never went to one after 2004. He would end his Pats career with a 3-0 record in SB's. Going to 2 more and losing to a supposed inferior coach in Coughlin TWICE kind of adds fuel to the Spygate Fire, wether warranted or not. My 2 cents is this. BB has always been lauded as a defensive genius but with out the necessary Star Power he has proven to be anything but that. His last 6 years as HC, we have witnessed a Superb Offense with a very flawed Defense from a guy rooted in Defense. So does HE get credit for recent success which is mainly offense and Brady or does McDaniels and also Obie get some credit for those record breaking years?? If you consider the guys they had in N.Y. - L.T. , Banks, Peppers,etc its easy to assume it was more of the playmakers than BB. We saw what BB did when he had the roster leftover from Parcells days. He went to 3 and won 3. After those guys left, we had to give BB a chance to get HIS guys. He has had plenty of time now and the defense is still Meh so what does that say to me? He is a very good coach. Great game manager,etc, but he is still human and judging by recent years, he is just average. The people who keep pointing to us being in the hunt every year fail to see that is mainly TFB! If BB had an average QB, he would just be an average coach IMO. He went 5-11 with Bledsoe when he was still in his prime...seeing as he played 3 more years in Buffalo and another 2 in Dallas. Just my opinion but he better win another soon.
"Take care of my B*tch, I may need her back in a couple years"
Brady to Manning after Wes signed with Denver
You realize of course that every single coach above him on the list never had to play with a salary cap and therefore got to retain all of their stars as long as they wanted. It's not like these guys won with teams full of JAGs. And they certainly didn't win with JAGs at the QB position. These arguments to discredit BB are ridiculously lame imo.
I can't believe a Patriots fan actually called BB average as a coach over the last 6 years. Wow just wow.
Not to mention they all had great QBs.
Walsh - Montana
Lombardi - Starr
Noll - Bradshaw
Brown - Graham
Halas - Luckman
Shula - Marino/Greise
And even the guys behind him:
Shannahan - Elway
Dungy - Manning
Johnson - Aikman
Levy - Kelly
Parcells - Simms
All great coaches who string together epic runs and SB titles have a QB. I think only Gibbs did it otherwise since the 1980s.
Furthermore, my last post says it all ... BB built and designed NE's offense. He is the one tinkering it year to year, not Brady. He drafted the talent that surrounds Brady, not Brady.
Yes Brady is an all time great, maybe the GOAT, surely top three.
But he is still just a part of BB's team. The most important part for sure, but just a part.
BB is the coach. Separate the two. One doesn't detract from the other.
I dont want to take anything away from BB, all Im is saying is when he won, he had the tools necessary to win, without them , he hasnt won anything. I only got to watch Shula and Walsh coach and a limited time so who am I to say BB is the greatest!??!? I would be a Homer. Has he been dam good and better than most other coaches in his era, Sure, but I cant speak for the other eras so I assume they are ahead for a reason, thats all.