BB Comes In At 7th All-Time

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    Re: BB Comes In At 7th All-Time

    Being the best means you win more than most not that you win every time.  BB has 3 SB wins and his winning % as a HC (even including Cleveland) is one of the best all time.  Plus he is the only coach in the top 10 that coached in the salary cap era.  You don't need to be a homer to think that is a pretty damn strong resume.  And besides you said he has been average for a pretty long period of time for crying out loud.  That is even less objective than the people that think he is a no doubt #1.

     
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    Rather silly, really. 

    I'm sure you could make an argument that Belichick isn't a top-3 coach of all time...

    ...it just wouldn't be a very rational one.

    He's a top-3 coach without much debate, and how he isn't in the top-5 is beyond me.

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    no it's debatable and very much so-ur post is homerism at it's worst



    Did you expect a Patriots FAN to be entirely objective when discussing the Patriots? 

    If you did, change your expectations. If you didn't, I don't see why you're surprised or bothered. This is a Pats forum, not an NFL discussion forum. I would recommend you leave here, and find a medium which is more receptive to your agenda.

     
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    I believe BB is better than 7th, but I think the coaches above him are getting points for changing the way the game is played (Brown, etc.) and reinventing it.  You really can't win arguments like this - but a couple of thoughts:


    -  BB isn't done coaching - he'll increase his win totals and could win 50 more games in 5 or so years.  He could also win more playoff games (I believe he's two behind the leader), Championship Games, and SBs.

    -  I'm not sure how much "credit" they're giving head coaches for what they did as coordinators or assistant coaches.  As everyone knows BB was one of the best defensive coordinators of his era also - helping the Jints win two SBs.  So he's actually won five (and hopefully several more) as a "coach."

    -  Spygate is Spygate - regardless of how things play out - in this "blame the other guy" society, that issue is always going to be seen outside of NE as a reason we've won so often.  Stats to the contrary don't mean a lick to teams/fans whose teams haven't been able to beat the Pats.

    Look, I'm not going to argue BB over Paul Brown, Lombardi, etal - and there are some darn good head coaches just starting out.  So after BB hangs them up, I think we can look back on the totality of his accomplishments to better "place" him in a "top" whatever.  I do know this - I'm glad he's on the Patriots sideline running things.

     
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    Re: BB Comes In At 7th All-Time

    In response to dreighver's comment:

    In response to 42AND46's comment:

     

    In response to dreighver's comment:

     

     

    Rather silly, really. 

    I'm sure you could make an argument that Belichick isn't a top-3 coach of all time...

    ...it just wouldn't be a very rational one.

    He's a top-3 coach without much debate, and how he isn't in the top-5 is beyond me.

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    no it's debatable and very much so-ur post is homerism at it's worst



    Did you expect a Patriots FAN to be entirely objective when discussing the Patriots? 

     

    If you did, change your expectations. If you didn't, I don't see why you're surprised or bothered. This is a Pats forum, not an NFL discussion forum. I would recommend you leave here, and find a medium which is more receptive to your agenda.




    i have no agenda

     
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    Re: BB Comes In At 7th All-Time

    In response to gr82bme's comment:

    I believe BB is better than 7th, but I think the coaches above him are getting points for changing the way the game is played (Brown, etc.) and reinventing it.  You really can't win arguments like this - but a couple of thoughts:


    -  BB isn't done coaching - he'll increase his win totals and could win 50 more games in 5 or so years.  He could also win more playoff games (I believe he's two behind the leader), Championship Games, and SBs.

    -  I'm not sure how much "credit" they're giving head coaches for what they did as coordinators or assistant coaches.  As everyone knows BB was one of the best defensive coordinators of his era also - helping the Jints win two SBs.  So he's actually won five (and hopefully several more) as a "coach."

    -  Spygate is Spygate - regardless of how things play out - in this "blame the other guy" society, that issue is always going to be seen outside of NE as a reason we've won so often.  Stats to the contrary don't mean a lick to teams/fans whose teams haven't been able to beat the Pats.

    Look, I'm not going to argue BB over Paul Brown, Lombardi, etal - and there are some darn good head coaches just starting out.  So after BB hangs them up, I think we can look back on the totality of his accomplishments to better "place" him in a "top" whatever.  I do know this - I'm glad he's on the Patriots sideline running things.




    well said basically...

     
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    Re: BB Comes In At 7th All-Time

    I really think it's futile to try to rank guys, but Belichick is clearly among the top few ever.  One thing that probably will get me flamed by some Pats fans is saying that to me one of the proofs of Belichick's greatness as a coach is that he's produced such a stellar record with teams that haven't always been that talented.  I know some think the 2011 Super Bowl counts against him, but to me it was amazing that Belichick got that team that far given its problems on defense and its lack of diversity on offense.  The huge point totals the 2010 and 2011 teams put up are amazing when you look at the limited weapons the team had. Yes, Gronk, Hern, and Welker are all good, but beyond that the talent in the running/receiving positions really dropped off, and even Hern and Welker are players that might not be so effective without Belichick's coaching. 

    When I think of Belichick's particular genius I think of a guy who is better than just about anyone at getting the best from his players.  Some coaches may have been more innovative with schemes, but no one seems as good as Belichick at adjusting schemes to players and at picking players to complement the other players already on the team.  With every Belichick team the whole always seems much greater than the sum of the parts, and the reason for that in my opinion is Belichick's very flexible approach to adopting strategy and tactics to the skills of the players he has and then supplementing his current players with new players who make the emerging strategic and tactical approach even more effective. Unlike many coaches who have rigid approaches and try to get players to fit those approaches, Belichick seems to have an approach that morphs continuously based on the players he has and is always designed not around any preconceived idea of what's best but rather on careful evaluation of what strategies and tactics will maximize the effectiveness of the group of players he actually has. 

     
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