BB Made The Right Move

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    Re: BB Made The Right Move

    Where are you getting 5/25 on Edelman?  It's 4/17 with cap hits of 2.75, 4.25, 4.75 and 5.25. 

     

     
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    Forget Welker, compare Edelman at 4/17 and modest cap hits to Emmanuel Sanders with Denver at 3/15 with cap hits 4, 5 and 6. I'd much rather have JE.

     

     
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    Oh Gawd!!

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    Brady makes every tiny slot receiver look good. Edelman isn't all that special.  Brady is. 

     

     

     

     
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    Re: BB Made The Right Move

    Cept JE wasn't there to replace WW, SCamandola was.


    Kraft said as much.


    JE was allowed to test FA and was signed as a back up because that's what he was.  Welkers and then Amandolas, back-up.


    Since he has managed to stay healthy for a year and had proven to be more valuable, he was paid as such.


    Good for him.  I like JE. He's all heart.


    But to sit there and claim he was WW's replacement is ludicrous.  They guy they gave 30M to, was.


    There is no disputing that.


    Not only that, the article you posted CLEARLY states WW's decline AFTER CONCUSSION.  Concussions can affect you for a long time especially multiple ones.


    Prior to that, he was in line to do what he's always done despite not being the only guy PM had to throw to.


    PM's just been fortunate that way.


    And furthermore, bd did not choose to get rid of WW.  He was given a fair value offer by both teams and WW chose to get rid of him.



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    Re: BB Made The Right Move

    In response to prolate0spheroid's comment:


    Brady makes every tiny slot receiver look good. Edelman isn't all that special.  Brady is. 


     



    I'll go ahead and disagree with you on this one. 


    I think Edelman has developed into quite the player, and to label him a slot-receiver isn't doing him justice. He played rather extensively on the outside last season and thrived. 


    He has the quickness, change of direction, and knack for getting open that Welker did, but he has a bigger frame and a better pair of hands to boot. 


    Is he quite as good in the slot as Welker? No, I think Welker in his prime was arguably the best slot receiver to ever play the game. But he was exactly that -- a slot receiver. Nothing more. Edelman is a heckuva lot more versatile and athletic, and he doesn't have a knack for dropping the ball, something Welker struggled with, especially during his latter years here. 


    Brady did a lot for Welker and Edelman, but I wouldn't sell either one short. They are both fantastic players in their own right, and as I said, I'd give Edelman the edge as the better overall player. 

     
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    Re: BB Made The Right Move

    On other threads Rusty hammers folks for rushing to judgement against BB but he has no problem rushing to judgement in favor of BB. 

    If I had to decide today, I'd say it was the wrong move - primarily because Welker ended up being a key reason you lost the AFC championship game (taking out your best defensive player) and costing you a trip to the Super Bowl. 

    If, in the next couple of seasons, the Broncos win a Super Bowl and the Pats don't, and Welker plays a fairly active role, than BB was wrong. Doesn't matter if Edelman/Amendola compile somewhat better stats. All about the rings. 

    On the other hand, if the Pats win a ring and the Broncos don't, and Edelman/Amendola play an active role, BB will be vindicated. Especially if it's Amendola doing the heavy lifting, as most of us agree he was the main Welker replacement. 

    So, no rush to judgement on this one. Verdict can't be issued yet. Right now, looks like BB made the wrong move but this could flip to the opposite.

       
     
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    "Brady did a lot for Welker and Edelman, but I wouldn't sell either one short. They are both fantastic players in their own right, and as I said, I'd give Edelman the edge as the better overall player. "

    Sure, if you pretend that durability isn't an issue. Welker has been by far the  more durable player. That counts. 

       
     
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    Amendola was brought in to play receiver after Welker left. They're similar players, not carbon copies. Edelman became the go-to receiver. Sometimes you change plans, you adjust, you go with what's working. People act as if this is a negative. Who cares who catches the passes?


    Damon Huard was once brought in to be the primary backup to Drew Bledsoe. Sometimes you change plans...


    Bottom line: With Welker in 2012, Pats wide receivers had 230 receptions for 2,708 yards and 14 TDs, and last year they caught 243 passes for 2,858 yards and 16 TDs.  So, I ask again, who cares what their names were or who got paid the most. They'll be better this year.


    What if Josh Boyce catches 100 balls and Edelman struggles? But they win another 12 games. Will you rip BB because Edelman makes more money?

     
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    Re: BB Made The Right Move

    In response to DougIrwin's comment:



    Never pay for what a player did. Pay on the way up, not the way down.  BB usually nails this.




    Sure glad Wilfork is on his way up and not down, otherwise BB wouldn't have paid him this season or the season after this or the season after that. 

     
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    In response to Muzwell's comment:

    Amendola was brought in to play receiver after Welker left. They're similar players, not carbon copies. Edelman became the go-to receiver. Sometimes you change plans, you adjust, you go with what's working. People act as if this is a negative. Who cares who catches the passes?

     

    Damon Huard was once brought in to be the primary backup to Drew Bledsoe. Sometimes you change plans...

     

    Bottom line: With Welker in 2012, Pats wide receivers had 230 receptions for 2,708 yards and 14 TDs, and last year they caught 243 passes for 2,858 yards and 16 TDs.  So, I ask again, who cares what their names were or who got paid the most. They'll be better this year.

     



    Let's not get carried away now, you had basically 2 WR's in 2012 (Welker and Lloyd) and 4 in 2013 (Edelman, Amendola, Thompkins and Dobson). 

     
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