Re: BB the GM poll.
posted at 7/3/2013 4:15 PM EDT
In response to Not-A-Shot's comment:
In response to IrishMob7's comment:
Now, may I ask you what moves/draft blunders have warranted a "deficient to a clear failure" grade?
And also, list the GMs who you think have a better resume than BB. This shouldn't be too difficult considering your grade of 3 implies that at least 20 GMs are better than BB.
Wait wait wait. I didn't say or suggest that he's in the current bottom third of active GMs. That's not what the question was. I answered "3" because I think he's been deficient as a GM.
A few of the bad moves: Adalius Thomas, Albert Haynesworth, Chad Ochocinco, Vrabel/Cassel trade, Fred Taylor, Jabbar Gaffney, plenty of draft day blunders...review Pats draft history for details.
Off the field stuff: Donte Stallworth the drunk driving killer signed three times, all things Hernandez (but it's not Bill's fault! Yes it is. It's very clear that Hernandez was a total headcase and many people knew it), mishandling of his co-ordinators and other foolishness.
Those are some pretty big gaffes off the top of my head. With a little research, I'm sure my memory would be jogged to reveal many more. Considering all of that, I can't imagine giving him a "1". Maybe a "2" based on team success, but for specific GM moves, "deficient" is my description.
For one, 3. is "somewhat deficient to a clear failure." Pretty daring claim considering BB's resume.
Hern - not going to get into this debate again as it's been discussed AD NAUSEUM for the past 2 weeks. Yeah, BB's fault.
A Thomas - Yes, not a very good signing. His worst one. No arguments there.
Albert Haynesworth was had for a 5th round pick. You take the gamble on a former All-Pro Dlineman when the possibilities are endless pairing him next to Vince. He didn't work out. Oh well. Most 5th round picks are JAGs anyways.
Ochocinco- Yeah, he didn't work out. He was the 5th receiving option in a loaded offense. He was had for a 5th and 6th rounder. Same deal with Fat Albert. Former Pro-Bowl receiver whose stock dropped because he had attitude problems. In an environment like the Pats, you take that risk. (See Moss, Randy)
Umm, what was wrong with the Cassell/Vrable trade? Vrable was a veteran who was clearly in the twilight of his career and Cassell was a former 7th round pick. I'd say netting a 2nd round pick for the two was a pretty good ROI.
Fred Taylor.....really? Fred. Taylor? A guy signed to be a back-up RB can be considered a bad move? Geesh. Tough crowd.
Jabar Gaffney - once again. A guy that was brought in to compete for the 3rd receiver slot, 5th receiving option and it can be considered a bust? Cutting him resulted in basically 0 dead money. How is bringing in a guy who knows your system to see if he can beat out other players for a roster spot a bad signing?
Stallworth - not condoning drunk driving, but the man that was hit was running across a highway. That's Stallworth's fault? And then it's BB's fault that Stallworth did it? He served his time, deserved a second chance, and was signed because he was familiar with the system. Absolute no risk signing. What's the problem?
The draft is an inexact science. Every GM has multiple bad picks on their resume, BB is no different. You act like he's awful because every pick hasn't worked out. I listed his good picks, you didn't list any to counter.
Like I said, list the GMs that you think are better than BB. You said he's a level 3 which states "somewhat deficient to a clear failure." There were 2 options that preceded that. One implied he was top of the line, the other said he was average to above average, which means option 3 implies that he is below average to bad. If he is below average to bad, or "deficient to a clear failure," it shouldn't be hard to list at least 10-15 GMs who are better than him.