BB's All-Bust team.

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    Re: BB's All-Bust team.

    Babe, 8 of those "busts" you named are still in the NFL.

    Kevin O'Connell is in his 4th year currently with the Jets.
    Brandon Tate is in his 3rd year currently with the Bengals.
    David Thomas is in his 6th year currently with the Saints.
    Rich Ohrnberger is in his 3rd year with the Patriots.
    Ron Brace is in his 3rd year with the Patriots.
    Jermaine Cunningham is in his 2nd year with the Patriots.
    Darius Butler is in his 3rd year currently with the Panthers.
    Terrence Wheatley is in his 4th year currently with the Bills.

    They may in the end be considered busts but until then I would call them incomplete.
     
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    Think about it for a minute. The average NFL career is about 5-6 years. The good ones can play at a high level for 10+ years, but they are not that common, and after the rookie contract you pay full freight for them against the cap. Over 11 years you ostensibly get 22 guys in the 1st and 2nd round. Those are your starters. You get 22 picks in the 3rd and 4th round. Those are the backups/STs. There is a mix of course. The 5th 6th and 7th round need to come up with some players too because you know you aren't going to hit on all the top picks. Those 4th and 5th round guys are quite important too. Add in FAs, undrafted guys, other team's castoffs that work out and trading to the mix. May the best team builder win.
    Posted by BabeParilli

    The NFL career is 3.3 year not 5-6. Why don't you make a list of undrafted guys that became starters for the Patriots?
     
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    Great Original Post. He should sell it to ESPN. That way they can actually report some facts for a change
     
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    Every year in the first and 2nd rounds when the Pats pick, there are always guys we need that fall on our laps in the draft. We keep thinking Belichick will pull the trigger and get these guys, and he seems to reach, and get guys that he could get later in the draft. I remember a few years ago Dez Bryant kept falling on our lap. Clay Matthews is another example, Connor Barwin, Brooks Reed. BB reached on Ras I Dowling, he could have traded back maybe into the 3rd round to get him. Jermain Cunningham could have been drafted much later, same with Ron Brace, Terrence Wheatley. Gronkowski ended up being a homerun, same with Wilfork. But there arent many homeruns drafted by BB. His later draft picks pan out almost as good as his 1st and 2nd rounders. I wouldn't call Mayo a homerun. He is a good player, but he was the 10th pick in the draft. With all the draft picks BB has taken on defense, his draft record is abysmal.
     
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    I must have missed the memo that today was whiner day.
     
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    Every year in the first and 2nd rounds when the Pats pick, there are always guys we need that fall on our laps in the draft. We keep thinking Belichick will pull the trigger and get these guys, and he seems to reach, and get guys that he could get later in the draft. I remember a few years ago Dez Bryant kept falling on our lap. Clay Matthews is another example, Connor Barwin, Brooks Reed. BB reached on Ras I Dowling, he could have traded back maybe into the 3rd round to get him. Jermain Cunningham could have been drafted much later, same with Ron Brace, Terrence Wheatley. Gronkowski ended up being a homerun, same with Wilfork. But there arent many homeruns drafted by BB. His later draft picks pan out almost as good as his 1st and 2nd rounders. I wouldn't call Mayo a homerun. He is a good player, but he was the 10th pick in the draft. With all the draft picks BB has taken on defense, his draft record is abysmal.
    Posted by dfitzp


    Dez Bryant? He's Dallas' #1 WR and he has less yards than the Pats 3rd. He's played in all the games and Has less yards than Welker, Gronk, and Branch. If Hernandez hadn't missed 2 games he'd be ahead of him too. Even with Miles Austin missing half the games this year he couldn't produce.
     
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    For Evil:

     

                                         MEMORANDUM

    From: Babe Parilli and several other pseudo fans (don't worry, we know who we are)

    To: Real Patriots Fans Everywhere

    Subject: Our Insecurity

    Date: December 4, 2011

    _________________________________________________________

    Please join us in making today Whiner Day for all Patriot fans, including real fans and people like us who prefer to point out all the flaws, faults and failures of the Patriot organization, regardless of how inconsequential. The truth is we'd rather wring our hands and dwell on the negative stuff that can't be fixed because we're either: a) bored with the success of our favorite NFL team; or b) not really Pats fans, but really Jet fans who are so insecure about our own team's prospects that we'd prefer to spend our time denigrating our biggest rival than thinking for one more second about how much our quarterback really stinks.

    Thank you very much and please remember to focus today on the important things, like how many yards the defense has allowed rather than that they're, you know, 8-3.

     
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    In Response to Re: BB's All-Bust team.:
    Apparantly most of the other teams are worse at teambuilding because we keep beating them.
    Posted by digger0862

    You Sir make a very valid point!!
     
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    Re: BB's All-Bust team.

    pretty good list.

    I think David Thomas might not deserve to be up there.  He was on the team when all that was expected from TE was to block...and that's it. He did a decent job protecting brady and blocking for the RBs. He wasn't asked to catch the rock like Gronk and Hernandez.
     
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    # 1 Bust = MARY
     
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    Please don't forget:

    Defence
    2nd - Terrence Wheatley
    4th - Jonathan Wilhite
     
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    For Evil:                                        MEMORANDUM From : Babe Parilli and several other pseudo fans (don't worry, we know who we are) To : Real Patriots Fans Everywhere Subject : Our Insecurity Date : December 4, 2011 _________________________________________________________ Please join us in making today Whiner Day for all Patriot fans, including real fans and people like us who prefer to point out all the flaws, faults and failures of the Patriot organization, regardless of how inconsequential. The truth is we'd rather wring our hands and dwell on the negative stuff that can't be fixed because we're either: a) bored with the success of our favorite NFL team; or b) not really Pats fans, but really Jet fans who are so insecure about our own team's prospects that we'd prefer to spend our time denigrating our biggest rival than thinking for one more second about how much our quarterback really stinks. Thank you very much and please remember to focus today on the important things, like how many yards the defense has allowed rather than that they're, you know, 8-3.
    Posted by Muzwell


    Let me add that at the whiner day dinner you will be allowed to pick your 'all whiner team'. Feel free to populate it with high profile, big stats stars. You are free to do this because unlike the Patriots your payroll can be a half a billion a year.
     
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    This is a good objective analysis of BB's drafting record for the last 10 years (thanks shenanigan):

    http://www.boston.com/community/forums.html?plckForumPage=ForumDiscussion&plckDiscussionId=Cat%3aSportsForum%3a9690Discussion%3a6b34969a-fcc3-4b74-b05b-1067808ce54b&plckCurrentPage=0

    This cherrypicking data to make your case is not useful.  As others stated upthread, you could make the same list for any team over the last 10 years. 

     
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    good coaching helps develop and utilize young talent tough to get the coaching continuity you need when you've lost an entire coaching staff full of top talent. Weis, Crennel, McDaniels, Mangini, Rob Ryan, Brian Daboll... good job finding all of these
    Posted by Artist-Frmrly-Knwn-As-NickC1188



    I'm thinking lots of talented folks would like to work for this organization. Hell, we had Capers and let him go to the Packers. Were Weis or Crennel even approached about coming back? What we do have is a bevy of inexperienced yes men.
     
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    I think what needs to change about our approach to drafting is it can no longer be a - I'm smarter than you event. What I mean by this is, we need to stop approaching it like - if I trade this pick for these picks it would be smart, I'd get the better of that deal (yeah I won't get the guy I want, but I'll make some others work). This value approach needs to take a back seat. The bargain hunting for the best deal, instead of the best player needs to take a year off.

    I can't imagine what it must be like for a scout to scout a player and come to a conclusion only to be trumped because there's a deal on the table that has good value. Instead of going out of our way to look smarter than everyone else, we need to select players that will help this team right now.
     
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    I think what needs to change about our approach to drafting is it can no longer be a - I'm smarter than you event. What I mean by this is, we need to stop approaching it like - if I trade this pick for these picks it would be smart, I'd get the better of that deal (yeah I won't get the guy I want, but I'll make some others work). This value approach needs to take a back seat. The bargain hunting for the best deal, instead of the best player needs to take a year off. I can't imagine what it must be like for a scout to scout a player and come to a conclusion only to be trumped because there's a deal on the table that has good value. Instead of going out of our way to look smarter than everyone else, we need to select players that will help this team right now.
    Posted by mthurl



    Good point. We may have outsmarted ourselves with this tactic.
     
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    This same 'logic' could be applied to any of the other 31 teams in the NFL, you could pick an all-bust team for any of them. Because they have been consistent winners, the Pats have typically drafted near the end of each round for the entire decade as well, which is a definite disadvantage. Thats 30+ more players (every round, every year) they do not get a shot at due to their SUCCESS.  Here is the link to every teams draft picks for the entire history of the league. Do the real analysis and tell us who (based on their drafting position) has been so much better. http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?type=team
    Posted by BostonSportsFan111


    I didn't say anybody else was better or not. But certainly some teams have been more successful in the last 6 years.
     
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    In Response to Re: BB's All-Bust team. : If David Tyree doesn't catch that ball are we still having this conversation?
    Posted by digger0862


    Probably, but the urgency might be less of an emphasis.
     
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    This is partially interesting (clearly there have been issues at WR), but let's get real with about half of these names.  And you can't name a reverse all-pro team like you do here and then say well it's not your fault that you had to stretch credibility in order to come up with this many names.   David Thomas is not a bust.  He's been a productive NFL player, just wasn't good enough to make it in Foxboro. They don't win the 2001 SB without JR Redmond, so call him a bust if you must, but not in my book.
    Posted by Muzwell


    There are always arguments as to who is a bust. Like I said, Meriweather is considered a bust by some.
     
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    In Response to Re: BB's All-Bust team. : Disagree with what? Here's some great Steeler picks since 2001 by the way, 5th round and up, just like your list. Could do the same for every team in the NFL, proves nothing: Kraig Urbik, g Joe Burnett, db Frank Summers, rb Thaddeus Gibson, lb Chris Scott, t Limas Sweed, wr Bruce Davis, lb Tony Hills, t Ryan Mcbean, dt Cameron Stephenson, g Anthony Smith, s Willie Reid, wr Orien Harris, dt Charles Davis, te Omar Jacobs, qb Bryant McFadden, db Fred Gibson, wr Rian Wallace, lb Alonzo Jackson, de Nathaniel Adibi, de Mathias Nkwenti, t
    Posted by Muzwell


    Im didn't say it proved anything. I would say winning Super Bowls proves something.
     
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