Belichek without Brady

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    Re: Belichek without Brady

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    Everyones entitled to their opinion but  I'm going to stand by mine. You have to have a great QB and great coach to do what these guys have done. Like I said earlier , Dan Marino was a great hall of fame QB but never won a ring. Peyton Manning has only one ring and he's pretty good too. In the NBA one superstar can make a team very good because just five guys on the court, in the NFL you need a team, a coach, and a QB.

    Belichick and Brady may be the best tandem ever, the two of them are what makes this team go IMO.




     

    You're not making a whole lot of sense with your point. Marino had Shula, the winningest coach in history, and a HOFer.



    Marino never won a SB.  And Bob Griese really shouldn't be in the HOF either. Sure he has 2 rings, but he handed it off to Csonka and Co for 7 years.  Not hard to do.

    If Jim Plunkett ever gets in, then maybe I'll concede sometime that Griese belongs in the HOF.

    This is the worst, most pathetic argument ever. We've been over this.  BB had a horrendous situation and Cleveland, that he tried to fix, but wasn't allowed to do because of Modell.

    For the love of god, the NFL Network just did a documentary on it!  Learn your facts, know your history.

    This tool who started this thread is a dorky millenial troll who knows nothing about NFL history or the game itself.

    Carry on.




    Do you even read the series of replies before you comment?

     

    He said "You have to have a great QB and great coach to do what these guys have done. Like I said earlier , Dan Marino was a great hall of fame QB but never won a ring."

     

    I simply noted that Marino did have the "great coach" and that didn't help him win a SB, so using Marino as an example to prove the point that great QBs aren't the key to winning SBs was not a very viable retort.

    The fact is Marino just played poorly in the playoffs. And if Brady ever played as poorly in a SB as Marino did, stiffs like you would crucify him. Oh wait, you do that anyway despite Brady's excellent 93 passer rating in SBs (Marino had a 67).

     

     
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    Re: Belichek without Brady

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    BB would have had a SB in Cleveland had that fiasco there never happened.  Had he went to the Ravens with the move he might still be there winning SB's..... with Tom Brady!




    As  Babe  stated, your  post  is  quite  a  stretch.  BB  was  such  a  hot  commodity  in  1995, he  was  canned  in  Cleveland  and  didn't  land  a  HC  position  until  5  years  later.  His  7  year  record  as  HC  without  TB  is  47-55  with  0  SB  wins.   And  no  one  should  get  a  whole  lot  of  credit  for  drafting  # 12  with  the  199  pick.  I  think  the  primary  factors  in  the  PATS  3  SB  wins  are :  1)  TB's  brilliance ; 2) Belichick  inheriting  a  core  of  playmakers  on  D ; 3)  Vinitieri's  magical  kicks ; 4)  good  fortune  ( ie.  tuck  rule ).  Since  '05, BB  lost  that  core  of  playmakers  on  D  and  had  to  rely  on  his  own  inept  GM  acumen.  The  PATS  let  AV  walk    and  good  fortune  went  somewhere  else.  Only  TB's  brilliance  remains.  I  said  brilliance, not  perfection.  # 12  is  allowed  to  have  an  occasional  off  game.  And  consider  this :  The  PATS  most  likely  will  not  win  another  Lombardy  in  TB's  last  11  years  ( assuming  he  has  3  more  years )  thanks  to  Belichik's  inabilty  to  field  a  respectable  D.




    What do you think your IQ is? Parcells left the Giants in 1991 and didn't return to coaching until 2 years later.

    Cowher is still not coaching.

    Not everything in life is that black and white. It is for 12 year olds like you, though.

    Modell admitted later that HE, HIMSELF messed up with BB.  Read a book, kid. Read a book.




    What are you even comparing BB to Parcells and Cowher for? Those two could have had HC jobs at their whim and still could. BB was entertaining no such offers. Completely dense comparison junior.

     
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    Re: Belichek without Brady

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    BB would have had a SB in Cleveland had that fiasco there never happened.  Had he went to the Ravens with the move he might still be there winning SB's..... with Tom Brady!




    As  Babe  stated, your  post  is  quite  a  stretch.  BB  was  such  a  hot  commodity  in  1995, he  was  canned  in  Cleveland  and  didn't  land  a  HC  position  until  5  years  later.  His  7  year  record  as  HC  without  TB  is  47-55  with  0  SB  wins.   And  no  one  should  get  a  whole  lot  of  credit  for  drafting  # 12  with  the  199  pick.  I  think  the  primary  factors  in  the  PATS  3  SB  wins  are :  1)  TB's  brilliance ; 2) Belichick  inheriting  a  core  of  playmakers  on  D ; 3)  Vinitieri's  magical  kicks ; 4)  good  fortune  ( ie.  tuck  rule ).  Since  '05, BB  lost  that  core  of  playmakers  on  D  and  had  to  rely  on  his  own  inept  GM  acumen.  The  PATS  let  AV  walk    and  good  fortune  went  somewhere  else.  Only  TB's  brilliance  remains.  I  said  brilliance, not  perfection.  # 12  is  allowed  to  have  an  occasional  off  game.  And  consider  this :  The  PATS  most  likely  will  not  win  another  Lombardy  in  TB's  last  11  years  ( assuming  he  has  3  more  years )  thanks  to  Belichik's  inabilty  to  field  a  respectable  D.




    What do you think your IQ is? Parcells left the Giants in 1991 and didn't return to coaching until 2 years later.

    Cowher is still not coaching.

    Not everything in life is that black and white. It is for 12 year olds like you, though.

    Modell admitted later that HE, HIMSELF messed up with BB.  Read a book, kid. Read a book.



    When Modell said he messed up, he was referring to keeping BB after his first three losing seasons.  Modell had become accustomed to making the playoffs often prior to BB failed tenure.  




    Keep in mind, you're defending the classless Modell who fired BB over the phone and not in person:

     




    Junior, BB's departure from the jets was no better. Why don't you just zip it. You're so daft you're actually making BB look worse than he was rather than helping his case.

     

     
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    Re: Belichek without Brady

    In response to Bunker Spreckels' comment:

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    BB would have had a SB in Cleveland had that fiasco there never happened.  Had he went to the Ravens with the move he might still be there winning SB's..... with Tom Brady!




    As  Babe  stated, your  post  is  quite  a  stretch.  BB  was  such  a  hot  commodity  in  1995, he  was  canned  in  Cleveland  and  didn't  land  a  HC  position  until  5  years  later.  His  7  year  record  as  HC  without  TB  is  47-55  with  0  SB  wins.   And  no  one  should  get  a  whole  lot  of  credit  for  drafting  # 12  with  the  199  pick.  I  think  the  primary  factors  in  the  PATS  3  SB  wins  are :  1)  TB's  brilliance ; 2) Belichick  inheriting  a  core  of  playmakers  on  D ; 3)  Vinitieri's  magical  kicks ; 4)  good  fortune  ( ie.  tuck  rule ).  Since  '05, BB  lost  that  core  of  playmakers  on  D  and  had  to  rely  on  his  own  inept  GM  acumen.  The  PATS  let  AV  walk    and  good  fortune  went  somewhere  else.  Only  TB's  brilliance  remains.  I  said  brilliance, not  perfection.  # 12  is  allowed  to  have  an  occasional  off  game.  And  consider  this :  The  PATS  most  likely  will  not  win  another  Lombardy  in  TB's  last  11  years  ( assuming  he  has  3  more  years )  thanks  to  Belichik's  inabilty  to  field  a  respectable  D.




    What do you think your IQ is? Parcells left the Giants in 1991 and didn't return to coaching until 2 years later.

    Cowher is still not coaching.

    Not everything in life is that black and white. It is for 12 year olds like you, though.

    Modell admitted later that HE, HIMSELF messed up with BB.  Read a book, kid. Read a book.



    When Modell said he messed up, he was referring to keeping BB after his first three losing seasons.  Modell had become accustomed to making the playoffs often prior to BB failed tenure.  



    Not to mention, I just watched Tom Brady throw a SB away in February which debunks this theory.

    BIG TIME.

     




     

    Right junior. A QB putting up a 100 passer rating is him throwing away a SB, but a defense collapsing yet again on the last drive is blameless. Learn the game.

     
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    Re: Belichek without Brady

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    BB would have had a SB in Cleveland had that fiasco there never happened.  Had he went to the Ravens with the move he might still be there winning SB's..... with Tom Brady!




    As  Babe  stated, your  post  is  quite  a  stretch.  BB  was  such  a  hot  commodity  in  1995, he  was  canned  in  Cleveland  and  didn't  land  a  HC  position  until  5  years  later.  His  7  year  record  as  HC  without  TB  is  47-55  with  0  SB  wins.   And  no  one  should  get  a  whole  lot  of  credit  for  drafting  # 12  with  the  199  pick.  I  think  the  primary  factors  in  the  PATS  3  SB  wins  are :  1)  TB's  brilliance ; 2) Belichick  inheriting  a  core  of  playmakers  on  D ; 3)  Vinitieri's  magical  kicks ; 4)  good  fortune  ( ie.  tuck  rule ).  Since  '05, BB  lost  that  core  of  playmakers  on  D  and  had  to  rely  on  his  own  inept  GM  acumen.  The  PATS  let  AV  walk    and  good  fortune  went  somewhere  else.  Only  TB's  brilliance  remains.  I  said  brilliance, not  perfection.  # 12  is  allowed  to  have  an  occasional  off  game.  And  consider  this :  The  PATS  most  likely  will  not  win  another  Lombardy  in  TB's  last  11  years  ( assuming  he  has  3  more  years )  thanks  to  Belichik's  inabilty  to  field  a  respectable  D.




    What do you think your IQ is? Parcells left the Giants in 1991 and didn't return to coaching until 2 years later.

    Cowher is still not coaching.

    Not everything in life is that black and white. It is for 12 year olds like you, though.

    Modell admitted later that HE, HIMSELF messed up with BB.  Read a book, kid. Read a book.



    When Modell said he messed up, he was referring to keeping BB after his first three losing seasons.  Modell had become accustomed to making the playoffs often prior to BB failed tenure.  




    Keep in mind, you're defending the classless Modell who fired BB over the phone and not in person:

     




    Junior, BB's departure from the jets was no better. Why don't you just zip it. You're so daft you're actually making BB look worse than he was rather than helping his case.

     





    At least he had an excuse? It wasn't his contract that made BB head coach  by default. It was Parcells's. PLus, Leon Hess was dying which put the new owner questioin in the air.

    Parcells RAN from stability in New England, while BB ran away from instability in smelly New Jersey. Can't fault a guy for being smart.

    Do you enjoy being bludgeoned all the time like your buddies Phat Rex and Hurlie? It's so easy for me because you morons don't do any homework and haven't cracked a book since the 3rd grade, apparently.

     




    You don't bludgeon anybody junior. Fact is you're wrong on virtually every single post you make and proven so. It's so pitiful I almost feel embarrassed for you.

    There is no excuse for either BB's behavior or Modell's in those cases that I can see. If company needs to be parted, then do it the right way.

     
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    Re: Belichek without Brady

    In response to Bunker Spreckels' comment:

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    BB would have had a SB in Cleveland had that fiasco there never happened.  Had he went to the Ravens with the move he might still be there winning SB's..... with Tom Brady!




    As  Babe  stated, your  post  is  quite  a  stretch.  BB  was  such  a  hot  commodity  in  1995, he  was  canned  in  Cleveland  and  didn't  land  a  HC  position  until  5  years  later.  His  7  year  record  as  HC  without  TB  is  47-55  with  0  SB  wins.   And  no  one  should  get  a  whole  lot  of  credit  for  drafting  # 12  with  the  199  pick.  I  think  the  primary  factors  in  the  PATS  3  SB  wins  are :  1)  TB's  brilliance ; 2) Belichick  inheriting  a  core  of  playmakers  on  D ; 3)  Vinitieri's  magical  kicks ; 4)  good  fortune  ( ie.  tuck  rule ).  Since  '05, BB  lost  that  core  of  playmakers  on  D  and  had  to  rely  on  his  own  inept  GM  acumen.  The  PATS  let  AV  walk    and  good  fortune  went  somewhere  else.  Only  TB's  brilliance  remains.  I  said  brilliance, not  perfection.  # 12  is  allowed  to  have  an  occasional  off  game.  And  consider  this :  The  PATS  most  likely  will  not  win  another  Lombardy  in  TB's  last  11  years  ( assuming  he  has  3  more  years )  thanks  to  Belichik's  inabilty  to  field  a  respectable  D.




    What do you think your IQ is? Parcells left the Giants in 1991 and didn't return to coaching until 2 years later.

    Cowher is still not coaching.

    Not everything in life is that black and white. It is for 12 year olds like you, though.

    Modell admitted later that HE, HIMSELF messed up with BB.  Read a book, kid. Read a book.



    When Modell said he messed up, he was referring to keeping BB after his first three losing seasons.  Modell had become accustomed to making the playoffs often prior to BB failed tenure.  



    Not to mention, I just watched Tom Brady throw a SB away in February which debunks this theory.

    BIG TIME.

     




     

    Right junior. A QB putting up a 100 passer rating is him throwing away a SB, but a defense collapsing yet again on the last drive is blameless. Learn the game.



    Anyone defaulting to a "QBR" is a moron. There's a reason that metric is not that old. It's because some science/math dork who likes fantasy football needed it.

    A safety to start a SB, a god awful INT (the worst of Brady's career) and the high throw to Welker don't factor into his "100 QBR".  

    "Stats are for losers. - Bill Belichick




    Right junior. Better to go by your juvenile spin than actual facts. Any fan in the nation would be happy with a game like Brady's in the SB if it were their team except for a very few tools like you. But you're wrong. Welker's drop does factor into his QB rating. It would have been higher if Wes caught the ball he says he should have caught. Learn the game.

     
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    Re: Belichek without Brady

    The bad thing about these type of threads are it's all speculation.  Why argue, nobody knows what would have happened, lol!

    It's like who would have won, Ali or Marciano?

     
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    Re: Belichek without Brady

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    If your posts are not long and pointless enough, do you really have to include every prior post in it?  Get a clue would you? 



    It makes these posts extremely hard to follow. Maybe you should take your own advice.

     

     
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