BB does not position himself for Gronk in the 2010 draft without trading out of the garbage 2009 1st rd.
Clay Matthews is not a good run defenders. BB knew that, hence why we has never on BB's 1st rd board to begin with.
Mike Vrabel never had more than like 4 or 5 sacks in a year in BB's 3-4.
Man you sure do live up to your reputation as obnoxious and confrontational at all times here bro. Your silly assaults on me, a monster Belichick supporter, are pretty pathetic. Just a lonley guy posting hundreds of times a day who has to find a fight for the sake of finding a fight I guess.
Even though I am a giant fan of Bill, I have every right to question one particularly horrible draft. Especially when it easily cost us a super bowl or two.
Here is where your attacks against my posts fall short and are baseless:
I clearly stated this in my post:
The only saving grace about not having Matthews was that in a round about way that trade got us Gronk. But the Pats had the ammunition a year later to move up and get him
So you acting like you are 'educating' me as to how we got Gronk after that post of mine shows you are simply not concentrating.
A. Belichick could have drafted Gronk in the 1st rd over McCourty. Bonus points if it came after an offseason where he doesn't repeat his Wheatley, Wilhite, Butler errors and actually spent some $ on a veteran strating CB. But CB was a priority in the draft. That being said, Gronk could have been the rd 1 choice, and a later pick used on a DB. With Matthews monster pass-rush here, the secondary would have been less exposed anyhow.
B. In the adjusted Matthews being picked '09 hypothetical the other McCourty bro Devin was picked and Butler, the player we used the GB 2nd on, was not.
C. The best draft move would have been this one: The Pats held the 47th pick from a seperate trade in the draft that they picked Gronk at 42 (a pick obtained by trading down from 44, the pick we got by trading out of Matthews spot). Oakland traded down with us to 44 to let us get ahead of the Ravens and take Gronk. The cost, a 6th rd pick, if the cost of 3 extra spaces was a 6th AND 7th (the immortal Thomas Welch) or a future 5th or 6th (the Ocho/Haynsworth picks perhaps?) then it is no issue at all. Yes this all means no Spikes, but if we didn't end up with a MLB in rd 2 the way it worked, NaVorro Bowman is sitting there 1 pick after we took Taylor Price. Boom! A different style but equal (or more) talented LB'er is there to cover up for ANOTHER BB mistake, all simply b/c Matthews was picked in '09.
2. You said: 'BB doesn't pay his 3-4 OLBs for sacks and big free agent money'.
when I proved you WRONG with an EXAMPLE (called facts) of Rosie Colvin, a guy who spent the entire middle SIX years of Bill's tenure as coach here and was a top 5 BIG MONEY free agent paid simply to add 10+ sacks a year when he hit the market, you moved the goalposts and tried to claim that because that was 2003 it doesn't matter anymore.
Oh I'm sorry, but your statement didn't say '2009 Bill Belichick was no longer paying OLB's big money like he did in 2003 for Rosie Colvin' your nonspecific statement was wrong.
3. You said:
'Mike Vrabel never had more than like 4 or 5 sacks in a year in BB's 3-4.'
THE COMPUTER IS RIGHT AT YOUR FINGERTIPS!
Are you really that ignorant?
Vrabel had 9.5 sacks during a Super Bowl season and 12.5 sacks during a 16-0 regular season. He also had 'more than 4-5' (5.5) in another Super Bowl year. In short, the 3 best Patriots teams OF ALL TIME featured Vrabel averaging 9 sacks a season.
Colvin had 7 sacks and 8.5 sacks in '05 and '06 after obliterating his hip in '03 and becoming a 2 down player.
You don't think Bill wanted to get any of that rush back in '09? So he must have passed on Matthews to start Vrabel type players at OLB then right? WRONG! He paid for rush specialists Tully Banta-Cain (9.5 sacks in '09) and Derrick Burgess (almost a 10 sack avg the 4 years before we traded for him to come here) to man the corners. Not much run stopping there! But I'm sure the 2m and 3rd/4th rd picks in '11 were worth it for that 1 year of Burgess. Tully got himself a 13.5m 3 year deal he didn't live up to after one decent '09 season.
Or, ya know, we coulda just had Clay Matthews...
Also, Bill had no clue at the '09 draft what Ninkovich was to become here, since he was a Dolphin in '08 and a camp invite cut from a worse team. The Patriots were looking for a pass rush in less conventional ways in '09 rather than just drafting a future all-pro. It was a BAD decision, no way around it.
Wiped the floor with you on this one bro