In response to UD6's comment:
In response to TexasPat's comment:
For example, I'm still waiting for you to explain your claim that the "Patriot Way" is to blame for the AH situation, when you had previously acknowledged that BB and Mr. Kraft were blameless?
I'm sure you recall me asking you this question on that thread which, incidently, you started. Of course, in typical, cowardly Doggie-doo fashion, you refused to answer...and ran off. Would you care to enlighten us now?
In response to UD6's comment:
Keep this up TP and you might just earn the biggest joke of the board award.
RESPONSE: It would be news if did. After all, I'd be taking the award away from you, who has won it 9 years in a row...LOL!!
PCM has done nothing but make you look silly, shown you as disingenuous, obstinate, petty, and dishonest.
RESPONSE: He avoided the discussion...tried misdirecting it...and then ran off. Sound familiar, Dog(gggggg)??
As for your question to me. I never claimed the patriot way of being responsible the AH situation. You attempting to put me on such a claim demonstrates again those qualities of yours that I mentioned above. Neither they nor the mantra is responsible for Hernandez. The mantra, on the other hand, is a load of BS partially because of people like Hernandez. That's my point. You know it, but it doesn't stop you from twisting the message disingenuously and then attempting to challenge me.
Dog(ggggg), we both know that you have serious credibility issues here. So, from time to time, you say things that you think are popular with most posters, to try to regain some footing. But, in the end, your true colors always show.
You tried to gain favor six weeks ago by starting a thread entitled "Sorry to Pats Fans" in late June, in which, after you initially acknowledged that Bob Kraft and BB were blameless for the AH situation...you proceeded to savagely attack the Patriot Way, announcing it to be dead...and blamed BB, Kraft, and the Patriot Way by implication for the Hernandez situation. Want proof?
1.) Here is your initial post, to start that thread: (dated 6/26/13, at 9:18 p.m.)
"I know that I occassionally play devil's advocate, and I may have some "feelings", especially after this incident, about the "patriot way".
But as fans - you didn't deserve this. The team, frankly, didn't deserve this. Regardless of BB's penchant for seeking "value" in talented players with less than stellar character, he didn't deserve this. Bob Kraft didn't deserve this.
I am not looking to gain any different treatment of y'all from these comments. Treat me no differently. I just wanted you to know that from an outsider, looking in, this is some bs that you didn't deserve."
2.) RESPONSE: How nice, and sweet. But then the venom started to spew from you, with this post (dated 6/27/13, 9:51 a.m.):
"...criticizing play is different than having to deal with a murderer you once supported. What this does is put to rest the "Patriot Way". Earlier I suggested the slogan was media driven, but Hernandez's own comments about the Patriot Way told me that the language if not the mentality manifested itself within the team."
3.) You then continued in a subsequent post (dated 6/27/13, at 3:02 p.m.):
The only way that Hernandez becomes a topic in the future - at least as i see it today - is how it relates to the "patriot way"."
If "The Patriot Way" had nothing to do with the AH situation, than why would A.H.'s situation "relate" to the Patriot Way?
4.) Next, you posted the following: (dated 6/27/13, at 3:42 p.m.):
"I think it (the Patriot Way) is a mirage - like a political slogan. It may have once been about something when the Pats had legendary defenses and seemingly clean guys...there's no denying that the Pats started using the mantra as a way to suggest that they could overcome the known questionable characters that they drafted or brought in.
Dog(ggggg), the implication is clear...if there were no "Patriot Way", there would have been no Aaron Hernandez situation to deal with.
There is no way for a team to fully control their players, but the team used it to promote themselves as something different. Players embraced the slogan if not the ideal. Who knows if Hernandez can actually be linked to this other double murder, but if he can, those killings occurred a week before he was given his extension and actually made a statement about "the patriot way". What statement is that, Dog(ggggg)?
I don't begrudge Belichick for trying to gain an advantage by acquiring, at a cheaper cost, players with known warts, but then give up the mantra, because it seems to be backfiring.
Dog(gggggg), the Patriot Way is backfiring?? How so? I thought that it had nothing to do with the AH situation?
4.) Next, on 6/27/13, at 11:26 p.m., you stated:
"...what may have been the patriot way - related to team and doing your job and whatever else - did morph into some kind of morality thing. Whether it was Kraft related or Pioli or someone else that helped the media fuel the perspective, that's what it morphed into. No one within the pats organization disputed it either. Further, people like Hernandez used the moniker to discuss the change to their life - which in reality was a lie. Pats fans can choose to believe that this idea(l) never became more than something only football related, but in reality some in the organization and the media made it more and there was no one out there denying the embellished idea(l).
Dog(ggggg)...so Kraft, Pioli, or "someone else" within the Pats organization is to blame for the Patriot Way...and, since it backfired, it's to blame for Hernandez. Right, Dog(ggggg)?
5.) Then, on 6/28/13, at 10:50 a.m., you stated the following:
"...Belichick...understood the chance he was taking with Hernandez...I don't think anybody could have or would have foreseen such a situation. Regardless, the situation has happened and it has happened with one of the guys who had known issues; One of the guys who actually used the term "patriot way" in describing to the public the changing of "his ways" - which was a lie.
I thought that BB wasn't to blame for the AH situation, Dog(ggggg)??
6.) You then added, on 6/29/13, at 7:13 a.m.:
"...Here's the thing. Belichick never pushes the morality play...when he brings players into the fold - if they were wayward - they "sat up and flew straight". And this was the Patriot Way of "rehabbing" the bad player images. Leave the dirty work to BB...players shut up and toe the line. Others started pushing that it was more than that. fans, media, the players themselves, Kraft. Great promotional stuff. I'd bet shirts were even made up at some point. I don't begrudge the idea, but as evidenced by Hernandez, its hard if not impossible to "change" everyone...The pats seemed to think their system was above that.
So...because Kraft and BB thought that their system was better than everyone elses, that they could continue to afford to bring in bad boys like Hernandez, right, Dog(gggggg)? So, in other words the arrogance of the Patriots as demonstrated in the concept of "The Patriot Way" was responsible for the AH situation, right, Dog(gggggg)? And because Kraft and BB pushed the concept, they're responsible, too. After all, according to you, the Patriot Way concept "backfired", as you so stated above.
Once again, by your own words, I've demonstrated that you are quite disingenuous, and couldn't tell the truth if your life depended on it. Once again I have demonstrated why you have no credibility on this forum.
Babe Parilli had you pegged from the get go regarding this insincere apology thread that you started when he posted to you on your "Apology" thread, on 6/27/13, at 10:10 a.m., the following:
"Same old troll with an agenda. I was quite sure you had your usual ulterior motive. Your jealousy of the Pats is disgusting. You really just plain suck. The Patriot Way is alive and well troll. He (AH) got involved in dastardly things and he got booted. Chalk one up for the good guys - AGAIN.
Shortly thereafter, Babe added the following:
"the troll is just playing you all. He's about as sincere as the snake was in Eden".
Can't wait to see you try to slither your way out of this one, Doggie-doo.