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Ben Jarvis Green Ellis sucks

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    http://www.vikings.com/team/roster/Adrian-Peterson/4dd7544a-5210-4aad-8e05-8ffb8cd92ddd

    Looking at some of these stats from Peterson. The Vikings should let him go. If you take away his big 3 games where he rushed for over 100 yards he is doing the same as BJGE, right?? I am not saying that they are in the same class at all. I just dont see Peterson rushing for 100 yards every game either. Just look at his last 3 games. Should we all sit here and say he sucks?? Should the Viking release him? I mean come on people. BJGE gives us what a player that wasnt drafted would give any team. Any NFL team out there would be happy to have him on their roster. Sorry he dont rush for 100+ yards every game. I rather have him do what he is doing now then have him losing fumbles at the 1 like most of the other RB's on the list. People just need to learn that the Patriots will never have a true RB.
     
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    Perfectly said and with brevity!!In Response to Re: Ben Jarvis Green Ellis sucks:
    Never Fumbles, Solid Back, averaging 3.9 yards per carry..next question.
    Posted by Ender587

     
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    the Giants Running game has fumbled two more times in the last two drives then lawfirm has his entire career.
     
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    Very happy to read all the love for BJGE!  The rest of you are just fantasy football douches.  Some of the things that lead to wins don't make it on a scorecard.

     
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    Yeah, he sucks so much playing with a nagging toe injury, Lacrybabyan Tomlinson sat out PLAYOFF GAMES with the same injury. I did not see this '' he sucks '' thread last year when he rushed for 1000 yards and 13 touchdowns. Brady is on pace for 16 INT's, a career worst, does he suck too? I wish the fantasy football stat guys had their own site.
    Posted by PatsRfineIn09


    1000 yards or 6o some odd yards per game is not tremendous. we need a better all purpose back who also can breakaway and make the d pay
     
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    Lol, this thread is still alive?
     
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    In Response to Re: Ben Jarvis Green Ellis sucks : 1000 yards or 6o some odd yards per game is not tremendous. we need a better all purpose back who also can breakaway and make the d pay
    Posted by brdbreu


    Why am I not surprised that you would join your fellow pink helmet murghkor in whining about BJGE. Niether of you know crap about football beyond your fantsy stat sheets.
     
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    In Response to Re: Ben Jarvis Green Ellis sucks : 1000 yards or 6o some odd yards per game is not tremendous. we need a better all purpose back who also can breakaway and make the d pay
    Posted by brdbreu


    Because?
     
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    Here's something I never get: here's a guy, Belichick, who probably works 80+ hours a week prepping for the game, and you think you know better than him when it comes to putting Ridley and Vereen into the game? Get a clue.
    Posted by AlwaysTheGood


    Yeah, and he also messes up many times. I'm not saying that other coaches don't. BB is the best in the business. But it doesn't mean he's infalliable. And it doesn't mean we shouldn't complain about it when he messes up. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Ben Jarvis Green Ellis sucks : Yeah, and he also messes up many times. I'm not saying that other coaches don't. BB is the best in the business. But it doesn't mean he's infalliable. And it doesn't mean we shouldn't complain about it when he messes up. 
    Posted by murghkhor


    Eternally grateful that your opinion as to whether BB is messing up or not, means absolutely nothing.
     
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    The Patriots won 2 SB's with Antowain Smith and a less developed passing attack.  The O is good enough to win a SB.  The Patriots do not need an all-pro RB.  BJGE doesn't fumble.  He isn't a gamebreaker, but he keeps the ball in TB's hands.  The Patriots can win a SB with him and to me that is good enough.
     
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    He is a good back that any team want.  He cannot be like Adrian Peterson or Matt Forte.  But he is a good back and that is all the Pats need since the Pats is using more air attack with Tom arms and rushing.
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    I often see criticisms here that the Patriots don't rush enough. Which would imply that since most teams are defending the pass, our runners would be killing it. Here you go. Yards per rush attempt. BJGE ranks 31st of those with atleast 50 attempts. He sucks.  Maybe the reason we don't run as much is we have no decent runners (or atleast Ridley and Vereen are not ready yet or something). http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/rushing/sort/yardsPerRushAttempt   RK PLAYER TEAM ATT YDS YDS/A LONG 20+ TD YDS/G FUM 1DN 1 Michael Vick , QB PHI 65 535 8.2 53 5 0 59.4 6 26 2 DeMarco Murray , RB DAL 147 834 5.7 91 7 2 75.8 1 38 3 Ben Tate , RB HOU 122 686 5.6 27 4 3 76.2 3 38 4 Fred Jackson , RB BUF 170 934 5.5 80 10 6 93.4 2 40 5 Darren McFadden , RB OAK 113 614 5.4 70 8 4 87.7 1 23 6 LeSean McCoy , RB PHI 188 1,019 5.4 60 11 10 101.9 0 60 7 Cam Newton , QB CAR 77 411 5.3 26 3 9 41.1 2 29 8 DeAngelo Williams , RB CAR 93 471 5.1 69 6 1 47.1 0 19 9 Matt Forte , RB CHI 186 926 5.0 46 11 3 92.6 1 38 10 Steven Jackson , RB STL 155 749 4.8 47 5 4 83.2 1 32 RK PLAYER TEAM ATT YDS YDS/A LONG 20+ TD YDS/G FUM 1DN 11 Willis McGahee , RB DEN 139 658 4.7 60 5 3 73.1 2 30 12 Pierre Thomas , RB NO 72 340 4.7 33 2 2 34.0 1 14 13 Adrian Peterson , RB MIN 186 872 4.7 54 6 11 87.2 1 45 14 Dexter McCluster , WR KC 72 336 4.7 24 2 0 33.6 1 20 15 Jahvid Best , RB DET 84 390 4.6 88 2 2 65.0 0 15 16 Jackie Battle , RB KC 95 436 4.6 34 3 1 43.6 0 18 17 LeGarrette Blount , RB TB 118 541 4.6 54 4 4 67.6 1 20 18 James Starks , RB GB 124 560 4.5 40 5 1 50.9 1 31 19 Jonathan Stewart , RB CAR 83 372 4.5 29 2 2 37.2 1 25 20 Frank Gore , RB SF 203 909 4.5 55 8 5 82.6 2 39 RK PLAYER TEAM ATT YDS YDS/A LONG 20+ TD YDS/G FUM 1DN 21 Ryan Mathews , RB SD 130 580 4.5 36 4 3 64.4 4 25 22 Michael Turner , RB ATL 200 888 4.4 61 9 8 88.8 3 43 23 Maurice Jones-Drew , RB JAC 212 941 4.4 41 5 5 94.1 3 47 24 Arian Foster , RB HOU 171 740 4.3 42 3 6 92.5 0 35 25 Kendall Hunter , RB SF 69 298 4.3 44 2 2 27.1 0 14 26 Michael Bush , RB OAK 139 599 4.3 44 5 5 59.9 1 33 27 Reggie Bush , RB MIA 133 567 4.3 36 4 4 51.5 3 23 28 Chris Ogbonnaya , RB CLE/HOU 70 291 4.2 40 2 1 41.6 2 10 29 Ray Rice , RB BAL 179 722 4.0 59 4 8 65.6 1 26 30 Beanie Wells , RB ARI 154 621 4.0 39 3 7 69.0 3 31 RK PLAYER TEAM ATT YDS YDS/A LONG 20+ TD YDS/G FUM 1DN 31 BenJarvus Green-Ellis , RB NE 136 541 4.0 18 0 5 54.1 0 30 32 Ahmad Bradshaw , RB NYG 111 440 4.0 37 2 5 62.9 0 29 33 Mike Tolbert , RB SD 76 296 3.9 29 1 4 32.9 1 17 34 Delone Carter , RB IND 84 327 3.9 42 2 2 32.7 2 15 35 Shonn Greene , RB NYJ 148 573 3.9 24 2 2 57.3 1 26 36 Isaac Redman , RB PIT 64 245 3.8 20 1 1 24.5 0 16 37 Tim Hightower , RB WSH 84 321 3.8 22 2 1 64.2 0 13 38 Marshawn Lynch , RB SEA 156 595 3.8 47 3 6 66.1 3 33 39 Rashard Mendenhall , RB PIT 136 517 3.8 68 2 6 57.4 1 24 40 Cedric Benson , RB CIN 167 634 3.8 39 2 4 70.4 0 31
    Posted by murghkhor

     
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    The Patriots won 2 SB's with Antowain Smith and a less developed passing attack.  The O is good enough to win a SB.  The Patriots do not need an all-pro RB.  BJGE doesn't fumble.  He isn't a gamebreaker, but he keeps the ball in TB's hands.  The Patriots can win a SB with him and to me that is good enough.
    Posted by pcmIV


    The Patriots can't afford to pay an all pro running back. The money is better used to address other short comings. Don't tell the pink hat fantasy whiners that though it's too much like reality.
     
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    In Response to Re: Ben Jarvis Green Ellis sucks : The Patriots can't afford to pay an all pro running back. The money is better used to address other short comings. Don't tell the pink hat fantasy whiners that though it's too much like reality.
    Posted by glenr



    save your pink hat nonsense. if either of you knew any football youd understand. since you dont, it might be the smart thing to say less and read more (ie listen more).

    without a back who can make you pay with big runs(u dont need the all pro) or a wideout who can catch the ball outside the #s

    1. defenses dont have to play the run and can key on (and hello, more easily stop the pass-have you watched the pats in the playoffs?)

    2. better defenses can simply clog up the short and middle routes.
     
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    In Response to Re: Ben Jarvis Green Ellis sucks : save your pink hat nonsense. if either of you knew any football youd understand. since you dont, it might be the smart thing to say less and read more (ie listen more). without a back who can make you pay with big runs(u dont need the all pro) or a wideout who can catch the ball outside the #s 1. defenses dont have to play the run and can key on (and hello, more easily stop the pass-have you watched the pats in the playoffs?) 2. better defenses can simply clog up the short and middle routes.
    Posted by brdbreu


    Listen fool. You and the other clueless whiners should start a club where you can get together and whine about how every player on the team isn't in the pro bowl. You're team should be the Colts.
     
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    In Response to Re: Ben Jarvis Green Ellis sucks : Listen fool. You and the other clueless whiners should start a club where you can get together and whine about how every player on the team isn't in the pro bowl. You're team should be the Colts.
    Posted by Evil2012


    I think Bill Belichick himself would agree with what brdbreu said, after all he did select not one, but two backs early in last years draft...you think he did that because he likes just randomly selecting guys?

    Why don't you join a club where you can glamorize every player on this team? You can decorate your house with Sergio Brown jersey's and Taylor Price posters (oh that's right he was hall of fame worthy until Bill pulled the cord on that last night).

    People come on here to express an opinion - not just to tilt their heads back and allow kool-aid to be pumped down their throat.
     
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    Green Ellis is OK, he does some things well, maybe even above average but he is not the future unless he improves. He's the only RB in the top 32 without a run of 20+ yards, everyone else has at Least 2 most have 4 or 5. There's also only 2 RBs with as many carries as he has who don't have a fumble. You want a RB to 1. make good runs. 2. Catch out of the backfield. 3 pick up blitzes. 4 Not turn the ball over. Hell do for now but they are going to look for a way to improve like they do in all positions.
     
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    Green Ellis is OK, he does some things well, maybe even above average but he is not the future unless he improves. He's the only RB in the top 32 without a run of 20+ yards, everyone else has at Least 2 most have 4 or 5. There's also only 2 RBs with as many carries as he has who don't have a fumble. You want a RB to 1. make good runs. 2. Catch out of the backfield. 3 pick up blitzes. 4 Not turn the ball over. Hell do for now but they are going to look for a way to improve like they do in all positions.
    Posted by shenanigan

    I agree. It's not like the guy is terrible, it's just that he's limited in what he can do. In my opinion he'd be an excellent backup - a guy that could fill in for a couple of weeks - or come in for 5-7 carries a game to give the starter a break. 
     
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    BJGE is a very, very good running back. Your evaluation of talent is obviously terrible. The Pat's offense often calls on BJGE to gain a yard or two. The defense knows this and tries to prevent that yard or two....and BJGE is more successful than not. 

    Yards per carry has some merit, however it is not "the" most important statistic for a RB, in fact it's very short sighted. BJGE keeps the sticks moving downfield. I don't care if he gets 1 yard per carry, if we get a first down on his carry then he has done his job. 

    By your logic Michael Bush, Arian Foster, and Marshawn Lynch are inept as well. Again, I'm glad you are not in any official capacity of judging talent.
     
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    BJGE is a very, very good running back. Your evaluation of talent is obviously terrible. The Pat's offense often calls on BJGE to gain a yard or two. The defense knows this and tries to prevent that yard or two....and BJGE is more successful than not.  Yards per carry has some merit, however it is not "the" most important statistic for a RB, in fact it's very short sighted. BJGE keeps the sticks moving downfield. I don't care if he gets 1 yard per carry, if we get a first down on his carry then he has done his job.  By your logic Michael Bush, Arian Foster, and Marshawn Lynch are inept as well. Again, I'm glad you are not in any official capacity of judging talent.
    Posted by gandalf433


    Dude you're a genius...I've never seen such a clever use of sarcasm. The pats offense calls for the running back to gain a yard or two? I love it!! Hilarious!!

    You don't care if BJGE averages a yard per carry! Good one! I bet BB was/is hoping that his running backs average a yard a carry too! LMAO

    You kill me...you really do. Priceless.
     
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    In Response to Re: Ben Jarvis Green Ellis sucks : Dude you're a genius...I've never seen such a clever use of sarcasm. The pats offense calls for the running back to gain a yard or two? I love it!! Hilarious!! You don't care if BJGE averages a yard per carry! Good one! I bet BB was/is hoping that his running backs average a yard a carry too! LMAO You kill me...you really do. Priceless.
    Posted by mthurl

     
    Well, you can edit out any meaningful words you like. I guess that is convenient to your limited gray matter. Let me pose a question and please answer it without your previous wordsmithing. Would you rather have a running back carry for a first down or a running back carry for five yards and then have the team punt? It really is that simple. 
     
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    Green Ellis is OK, he does some things well, maybe even above average but he is not the future unless he improves. He's the only RB in the top 32 without a run of 20+ yards, everyone else has at Least 2 most have 4 or 5. There's also only 2 RBs with as many carries as he has who don't have a fumble. You want a RB to 1. make good runs. 2. Catch out of the backfield. 3 pick up blitzes. 4 Not turn the ball over. Hell do for now but they are going to look for a way to improve like they do in all positions.
    Posted by shenanigan

    Good post.  I am at peace with that.  

    I'd like to add that fifth important element: attitude.  Look at what Chris Johnson did to the Titans.  Thiss is probably a lost season for the Titans (I am having trouble working up a tear) because of one fickle, dynamic egomaniacal star having enough talent to disrupt the team if he withholds it/doesn't maintain it, coupled with the kind of personality that in doing so, he has no problem with the consequences. 

     
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    BJGE is a very, very good running back. Your evaluation of talent is obviously terrible. The Pat's offense often calls on BJGE to gain a yard or two. The defense knows this and tries to prevent that yard or two....and BJGE is more successful than not.  Yards per carry has some merit, however it is not "the" most important statistic for a RB, in fact it's very short sighted. BJGE keeps the sticks moving downfield. I don't care if he gets 1 yard per carry, if we get a first down on his carry then he has done his job.  By your logic Michael Bush, Arian Foster, and Marshawn Lynch are inept as well. Again, I'm glad you are not in any official capacity of judging talent.
    Posted by gandalf433

    Also very true.  I see why you chose a sage avitar.

     
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    In Response to Re: Ben Jarvis Green Ellis sucks:
    In Response to Re: Ben Jarvis Green Ellis sucks : Dude you're a genius...I've never seen such a clever use of sarcasm. The pats offense calls for the running back to gain a yard or two? I love it!! Hilarious!! You don't care if BJGE averages a yard per carry! Good one! I bet BB was/is hoping that his running backs average a yard a carry too! LMAO You kill me...you really do. Priceless.
    Posted by mthurl

    Um....uhhh, I think he means that when it is 4th-and-2 on the opponent's 38, Benny gets two yards and a 1st, while most other backs in the league don't, so their teams may not even try.  That is a huge plus on Benny's side of the ledger.  Think about it: punt and get whatever may come from that punt VS. get a first down and likely a score.  Do that two or three times per game, as Benny often does, and it is the difference between winning and losing. 

    Mthurl, I don't think you have thought this through.  Are you a fantasy football guy?  If "yes", I think that explains why you narrowly define RB success on yards and YPC.  Just this week BB and Brady made a point of mentioning how Benny is leading them to success.  Heck, he bailed them out in that 1st QTR drive last week. The pass game was going nowhere.  But when he started running, they ultimately scored.  His hard running on that drive set up the whole win. 

     
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    Belichick turned an undrafted player into 1000 yrd rusher and yet somehow this is a bad thing. Tell me what have Arian Foster, Chris Johnson and Adrian Peterson won lately besides meaningless rushing titles for non-playoff teams. BJGE complements this offense just like Woodhead and Faulk (as change of pace RBs or receivers out of the backfield) do. They along with Vereen and Ridley keep opposing defenses honest (eg: no loading up the secondary because the O is going to pass on every play). The Pats RBs give them balance on offense. Sure none of them is hugely successful feature back, but teams are not built to help some dude win his fantasy league. Wins always matter more than rushing titles or fantasy stats. Besides which, if the Pats had, say, AP, that would mean that close to 30million dollars would be tied up in two offensive players which means no quality FAs can be signed in the future  and the Pats brass could easily be put in cap hell. BJGE is just right for the bang for the buck so it makes no sense to slag him for not being on par with Peterson and Foster when he is so cost-effective as opposed to cost-prohibitive.
     
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