Ben Jarvis Green Ellis sucks

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    Ben Jarvis Green Ellis sucks


    I often see criticisms here that the Patriots don't rush enough. Which would imply that since most teams are defending the pass, our runners would be killing it.

    Here you go.

    Yards per rush attempt. BJGE ranks 31st of those with atleast 50 attempts.

    He sucks. 

    Maybe the reason we don't run as much is we have no decent runners (or atleast Ridley and Vereen are not ready yet or something).


    RKPLAYERTEAMATTYDSYDS/ALONG20+TDYDS/GFUM1DN
    1Michael Vick, QBPHI655358.2535059.4626
    2DeMarco Murray, RBDAL1478345.7917275.8138
    3Ben Tate, RBHOU1226865.6274376.2338
    4Fred Jackson, RBBUF1709345.58010693.4240
    5Darren McFadden, RBOAK1136145.4708487.7123
    6LeSean McCoy, RBPHI1881,0195.4601110101.9060
    7Cam Newton, QBCAR774115.3263941.1229
    8DeAngelo Williams, RBCAR934715.1696147.1019
    9Matt Forte, RBCHI1869265.04611392.6138
    10Steven Jackson, RBSTL1557494.8475483.2132
    RKPLAYERTEAMATTYDSYDS/ALONG20+TDYDS/GFUM1DN
    11Willis McGahee, RBDEN1396584.7605373.1230
    12Pierre Thomas, RBNO723404.7332234.0114
    13Adrian Peterson, RBMIN1868724.75461187.2145
    14Dexter McCluster, WRKC723364.7242033.6120
    15Jahvid Best, RBDET843904.6882265.0015
    16Jackie Battle, RBKC954364.6343143.6018
    17LeGarrette Blount, RBTB1185414.6544467.6120
    18James Starks, RBGB1245604.5405150.9131
    19Jonathan Stewart, RBCAR833724.5292237.2125
    20Frank Gore, RBSF2039094.5558582.6239
    RKPLAYERTEAMATTYDSYDS/ALONG20+TDYDS/GFUM1DN
    21Ryan Mathews, RBSD1305804.5364364.4425
    22Michael Turner, RBATL2008884.4619888.8343
    23Maurice Jones-Drew, RBJAC2129414.4415594.1347
    24Arian Foster, RBHOU1717404.3423692.5035
    25Kendall Hunter, RBSF692984.3442227.1014
    26Michael Bush, RBOAK1395994.3445559.9133
    27Reggie Bush, RBMIA1335674.3364451.5323
    28Chris Ogbonnaya, RBCLE/HOU702914.2402141.6210
    29Ray Rice, RBBAL1797224.0594865.6126
    30Beanie Wells, RBARI1546214.0393769.0331
    RKPLAYERTEAMATTYDSYDS/ALONG20+TDYDS/GFUM1DN
    31BenJarvus Green-Ellis, RBNE1365414.0180554.1030
    32Ahmad Bradshaw, RBNYG1114404.0372562.9029
    33Mike Tolbert, RBSD762963.9291432.9117
    34Delone Carter, RBIND843273.9422232.7215
    35Shonn Greene, RBNYJ1485733.9242257.3126
    36Isaac Redman, RBPIT642453.8201124.5016
    37Tim Hightower, RBWSH843213.8222164.2013
    38Marshawn Lynch, RBSEA1565953.8473666.1333
    39Rashard Mendenhall, RBPIT1365173.8682657.4124
    40Cedric Benson, RBCIN1676343.8392470.4031
     
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    Re: Ben Jarvis Green Ellis sucks

    I wouldn't say he sucks, but I'd definitely say he is a limited player in the sense that there is only so much he's capable of doing. The last game against the Chiefs a number of backs on your list would of had 150 yards (easy) in that game, the holes were huge. He can't get outside consistently enough and he doesn't/can't take advantage of the room that is available if he could cut back. They can't give him delayed hand offs or draws because he's not quick enough.

    But he doesn't fumble and runs at a real good pad level. He has good vision and plays tough. If he had some of the speed and quickness of some of the other backs in the league, he'd be better than all of them. Too bad he doesn't.
     
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    Re: Ben Jarvis Green Ellis

    Let me start by saying I do not dislike BJGE contrary to what some may think on this board.  We needed to Replace Maroney last year and he filled in nicely.

    The problem is, we have 2 real RB's with actual talent sitting there week in and week out while BJGE does nothing to show the opposition that we have a legitimate running game that needs to be respected.  In turn this makes the passing game a bit tougher.

    Thanks murghkhor for actually using his own stats to prove he not that good.
     
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    Re: Ben Jarvis Green Ellis sucks

    Most of the time he runs he gets positive yards.  They use him mostly in obvious run situations, he does ok.  I like him, he doesn't dance, and is good for 3 most of the time.
     
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    [QUOTE]Most of the time he runs he gets positive yards.  Posted by Davedsone[/QUOTE]

    The truth.
     
    I don't dislike him. But we need more of Ridley and Vereen.
     
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    Re: Ben Jarvis Green Ellis sucks

    Not fumbling is part of a RB's job description.  Gaining yards is another.
     
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    Re: Ben Jarvis Green Ellis sucks

    He's only a foot per carry behind guys such as Michael Turner, Maurice Jones-Drew and Arian Foster and he's tied with Ray Rice. Vereen and Ridley are the future but you're being way too hard on BJGE.
     
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    Besides running and NOT fumbling a running  back in the NFL has to block AND catch passes.  The first pass he dropped in last weeks game showed he does not have good hands. BJGE is a good fill in back and a good short yardage back but he lacks certain skill that stop him from being a good every down running back in the NFL.  I expect both Ridley and Vereen will be ahead of him on the depth chart next year but for now he is what we have to live with.
     
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    Re: Ben Jarvis Green Ellis sucks

    We run a normal amount. Benny is okay, nothing more.
     
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    Re: Ben Jarvis Green Ellis sucks

    benny is good for 2-3 yards when we need him, nothing more really..but he holds on to the ball, which is more than i can say about old #39
     
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    Re: Ben Jarvis Green Ellis sucks

    according to this statisitic you are basing your opinion on he is just as good as ray rice

     
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    [QUOTE]I often see criticisms here that the Patriots don't rush enough. Which would imply that since most teams are defending the pass, our runners would be killing it. Here you go. Yards per rush attempt. BJGE ranks 31st of those with atleast 50 attempts. He sucks.  Maybe the reason we don't run as much is we have no decent runners (or atleast Ridley and Vereen are not ready yet or something). http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/rushing/sort/yardsPerRushAttempt   RK PLAYER TEAM ATT YDS YDS/A LONG 20+ TD YDS/G FUM 1DN 1 Michael Vick , QB PHI 65 535 8.2 53 5 0 59.4 6 26 2 DeMarco Murray , RB DAL 147 834 5.7 91 7 2 75.8 1 38 3 Ben Tate , RB HOU 122 686 5.6 27 4 3 76.2 3 38 4 Fred Jackson , RB BUF 170 934 5.5 80 10 6 93.4 2 40 5 Darren McFadden , RB OAK 113 614 5.4 70 8 4 87.7 1 23 6 LeSean McCoy , RB PHI 188 1,019 5.4 60 11 10 101.9 0 60 7 Cam Newton , QB CAR 77 411 5.3 26 3 9 41.1 2 29 8 DeAngelo Williams , RB CAR 93 471 5.1 69 6 1 47.1 0 19 9 Matt Forte , RB CHI 186 926 5.0 46 11 3 92.6 1 38 10 Steven Jackson , RB STL 155 749 4.8 47 5 4 83.2 1 32 RK PLAYER TEAM ATT YDS YDS/A LONG 20+ TD YDS/G FUM 1DN 11 Willis McGahee , RB DEN 139 658 4.7 60 5 3 73.1 2 30 12 Pierre Thomas , RB NO 72 340 4.7 33 2 2 34.0 1 14 13 Adrian Peterson , RB MIN 186 872 4.7 54 6 11 87.2 1 45 14 Dexter McCluster , WR KC 72 336 4.7 24 2 0 33.6 1 20 15 Jahvid Best , RB DET 84 390 4.6 88 2 2 65.0 0 15 16 Jackie Battle , RB KC 95 436 4.6 34 3 1 43.6 0 18 17 LeGarrette Blount , RB TB 118 541 4.6 54 4 4 67.6 1 20 18 James Starks , RB GB 124 560 4.5 40 5 1 50.9 1 31 19 Jonathan Stewart , RB CAR 83 372 4.5 29 2 2 37.2 1 25 20 Frank Gore , RB SF 203 909 4.5 55 8 5 82.6 2 39 RK PLAYER TEAM ATT YDS YDS/A LONG 20+ TD YDS/G FUM 1DN 21 Ryan Mathews , RB SD 130 580 4.5 36 4 3 64.4 4 25 22 Michael Turner , RB ATL 200 888 4.4 61 9 8 88.8 3 43 23 Maurice Jones-Drew , RB JAC 212 941 4.4 41 5 5 94.1 3 47 24 Arian Foster , RB HOU 171 740 4.3 42 3 6 92.5 0 35 25 Kendall Hunter , RB SF 69 298 4.3 44 2 2 27.1 0 14 26 Michael Bush , RB OAK 139 599 4.3 44 5 5 59.9 1 33 27 Reggie Bush , RB MIA 133 567 4.3 36 4 4 51.5 3 23 28 Chris Ogbonnaya , RB CLE/HOU 70 291 4.2 40 2 1 41.6 2 10 29 Ray Rice , RB BAL 179 722 4.0 59 4 8 65.6 1 26 30 Beanie Wells , RB ARI 154 621 4.0 39 3 7 69.0 3 31 RK PLAYER TEAM ATT YDS YDS/A LONG 20+ TD YDS/G FUM 1DN 31 BenJarvus Green-Ellis , RB NE 136 541 4.0 18 0 5 54.1 0 30 32 Ahmad Bradshaw , RB NYG 111 440 4.0 37 2 5 62.9 0 29 33 Mike Tolbert , RB SD 76 296 3.9 29 1 4 32.9 1 17 34 Delone Carter , RB IND 84 327 3.9 42 2 2 32.7 2 15 35 Shonn Greene , RB NYJ 148 573 3.9 24 2 2 57.3 1 26 36 Isaac Redman , RB PIT 64 245 3.8 20 1 1 24.5 0 16 37 Tim Hightower , RB WSH 84 321 3.8 22 2 1 64.2 0 13 38 Marshawn Lynch , RB SEA 156 595 3.8 47 3 6 66.1 3 33 39 Rashard Mendenhall , RB PIT 136 517 3.8 68 2 6 57.4 1 24 40 Cedric Benson , RB CIN 167 634 3.8 39 2 4 70.4 0 31
    Posted by murghkhor[/QUOTE]

    Yeah, Ray Rice sucks, too. Like BJGE, he only has a 4.0 average running.

    Of course, 3 different centers, a retiring Stephen Neal, an aging Matt Light, and a regressing (probably hurt more than we know) Sebastian Vollmer, have nothing to do with it.

    Geez, get a clue.
     
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    Yeah, he sucks so much playing with a nagging toe injury, Lacrybabyan Tomlinson sat out PLAYOFF GAMES with the same injury.

    I did not see this '' he sucks '' thread last year when he rushed for 1000 yards and 13 touchdowns.

    Brady is on pace for 16 INT's, a career worst, does he suck too?

    I wish the fantasy football stat guys had their own site.
     
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    Sorry but I disagree!!! He's not the best but he does find openings. I think he has a lot of potential. Sucks is a strong and totally not accurate description.
     
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    I have to disagree that he sucks, he actually is very good in compairison to the league and will back it up..but in the end I think starting Ridley or Vereen or Woodhead would be better due to the nature of the PAtriots offense and the way teams are attacking.

    First I disagree with his value, If you take into account other things like fumbles and success rate (achieving the yards needed) LawFirm is
    ranked number 8 in the league by this site..
    http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb

    I also notinced BJGE longest run 18 yards...many of the RB on the list are pushed up for one long run..for instance a single 68 yard run would push BJGE up 14 places on your list.

    Also picking up pass rush and blocking is not considered and we know that is extremely important on the Patriots.

    Now that aside, he is a great pounder and very safe due to not fumbling, he is a great runner to utilize late in a game.

    But he does not do great catching and running out of the backfield and is not that shifty  which are two traits which would be very good when the PAtriots are trying keep the defense honest and off balance in the beginnig of games.
    So he should come in later in games to punish the other teams defense and lock down the game...not as much in the beginning.
     
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    [QUOTE]I have to disagree that he sucks, he actually is very good in compairison to the league and will back it up..but in the end I think starting Ridley or Vereen or Woodhead would be better due to the nature of the PAtriots offense and the way teams are attacking. First I disagree with his value, If you take into account other things like fumbles and success rate (achieving the yards needed) LawFirm is ranked number 8 in the league by this site.. http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb I also notinced BJGE longest run 18 yards...many of the RB on the list are pushed up for one long run..for instance a single 68 yard run would push BJGE up 14 places on your list. Also picking up pass rush and blocking is not considered and we know that is extremely important on the Patriots. Now that aside, he is a great pounder and very safe due to not fumbling, he is a great runner to utilize late in a game. But he does not do great catching and running out of the backfield and is not that shifty  which are two traits which would be very good when the PAtriots are trying keep the defense honest and off balance in the beginnig of games. So he should come in later in games to punish the other teams defense and lock down the game...not as much in the beginning.
    Posted by patsbandwagonsince76[/QUOTE]

    I agree that Benny doesn't "suck", however you used some words that don't fit the description of Benny, like great (more than once). In my opinion Benny is not a great power runner. He'll get you three yards (when it is there), but he's not going to power for three yards when it's not there (he'll go down). When the guy gets a full head of steam he'll break tackles, but most guys in the NFL are capable of doing that. He won't break tackles when it's a hand off and he's met at the line of scrimmage - he can't power through that - he's not big, strong and explosive enough for that type of running.

    You mentioned if he got/had a 68 yard run his numbers would be with some of the elite. This is what it might take for him to get a 68 yard run...go virtually untouched through the hole, and have no defensive back within 30 yards of him. It can happen, but this guy isn't made for 68 yard runs or powering over people, he's made for taking what a defense gives him and not fumbling - that's not my definition of "great" - it's my definition of average/solid...not going to hurt you..type of runner. We need better than that if we're going to win a Super Bowl.
     
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    All of this is pretty pathetic. Here is a guy who came out of nowhere and ran for 1,000 yards last year. This is the team is more of a pasing team then a running team. He runs when they calll his number. He gets most of the time positive yards. I bet those RB's you have on that list do not block, or do half of what Benny does. Some of you people need to find better things or other things to pick on then a running back that has done everything asked of him. But like everythig else, no matter what people do in this dam city some fans only look at certain things and not the whole picture.

     
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    [QUOTE]All of this is pretty pathetic. Here is a guy who came out of nowhere and ran for 1,000 yards last year. This is the team is more of a pasing team then a running team. He runs when they calll his number. He gets most of the time positive yards. I bet those RB's you have on that list do not block, or do half of what Benny does. Some of you people need to find better things or other things to pick on then a running back that has done everything asked of him. But like everythig else, no matter what people do in this dam city some fans only look at certain things and not the whole picture.
    Posted by PAULICAS1975[/QUOTE]

    Yep. I mean really? A Ben Jarvis Green Ellis sucks thread? What next?
     
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    [QUOTE]All of this is pretty pathetic. Here is a guy who came out of nowhere and ran for 1,000 yards last year. This is the team is more of a pasing team then a running team. He runs when they calll his number. He gets most of the time positive yards. I bet those RB's you have on that list do not block, or do half of what Benny does. Some of you people need to find better things or other things to pick on then a running back that has done everything asked of him. But like everythig else, no matter what people do in this dam city some fans only look at certain things and not the whole picture.
    Posted by PAULICAS1975[/QUOTE]

    OMG he ran for a 1000 yards last year!?!?! That's like like almost 60 yards a game! Amazing...truly is. Add in the fact that the defense is generally keyed into Brady makes it even more astounding. Clearly Benny must be running with the heavy emotion on his shoulders that the defense isn't showing him love and respect...it must make it more difficult.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ben Jarvis Green Ellis sucks : I agree that Benny doesn't "suck", however you used some words that don't fit the description of Benny, like great (more than once). In my opinion Benny is not a great power runner. He'll get you three yards (when it is there), but he's not going to power for three yards when it's not there (he'll go down). When the guy gets a full head of steam he'll break tackles, but most guys in the NFL are capable of doing that. He won't break tackles when it's a hand off and he's met at the line of scrimmage - he can't power through that - he's not big, strong and explosive enough for that type of running. You mentioned if he got/had a 68 yard run his numbers would be with some of the elite. This is what it might take for him to get a 68 yard run...go virtually untouched through the hole, and have no defensive back within 30 yards of him. It can happen, but this guy isn't made for 68 yard runs or powering over people, he's made for taking what a defense gives him and not fumbling - that's not my definition of "great" - it's my definition of average/solid...not going to hurt you..type of runner. We need better than that if we're going to win a Super Bowl.
    Posted by mthurl[/QUOTE]

    Appreciate the comment.

    Maybe 'great' was misused..power wise he can push a yard or two after contact against a tired defense...good, he falls forward...good.
    , runs downhill

    only thing he is really 'great' at is  ball possesion and maybe attitude.

    but my point in the end was we need a different RB in the beginnig of games and
    be careful how you use stats.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ben Jarvis Green Ellis sucks : OMG he ran for a 1000 yards last year!?!?! That's like like almost 60 yards a game! Amazing...truly is. Add in the fact that the defense is generally keyed into Brady makes it even more astounding. Clearly Benny must be running with the heavy emotion on his shoulders that the defense isn't showing him love and respect...it must make it more difficult.
    Posted by mthurl[/QUOTE]

    No one is mistaking him for Adrian Petersen. Just saying he is excellent at maximizing his skill and value to the team.

    To say he sucks is ignorance to the max. Christ, the guy leads all running backs in the HISTORY OF THE GAME for most carries at the start of a career without a fumble...and run for 4.2 a carry while at it, without having the 50 yard runs to bloat the average.

    That is pretty damn good, even if it's not sexy.
     
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    Kind of reminds me of Antowain Smith
     
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    Re: Ben Jarvis Green Ellis sucks

    Benny is not a homerun threat this is true. What BJGE is however, is:

    A back that will consistently get you 3-4 yards on almost every carry
    He won't fumble the ball
    Does a decent job picking up the blitz

    I'll take that from my back anyday and everyday
     
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    Re: Ben Jarvis Green Ellis sucks

    Someone sucks but it isn't Benny.
     

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