Bias still out there - kills ESPN to give NE credit

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    Bias still out there - kills ESPN to give NE credit

    Todays highlights show the pass interference on Welker as a big play that extended a drive. Some or all of the ESPN commentators call it a terrible call because he could not have made the catch.

    OK, look at a replay, when Welker is running full speed before he slows down because he was interfered with keep your finger moving across the screen at his pace, his path intersects the ball..he could have made the catch.

    Secondly, why did they not showcase the bogus offensive holding call on Hernandez in the same way??..which was infact a drive killer? They showed a drive extending penalty on the Texan as if it was giving the Texans 7 points..why not show the play that took away 7 points in the same light??

    Thirdly, Could Trent Dilfer make up more excuses for the Texans? "Matt Shaub played his worse game..he never does these things", mentioned the penalties..ball always bouncing NE way. The last being mostly true but listening to Trent you would think NE would have lost if these unusual lucky breaks did not happen.

     

     
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    Are the opinions expressd by these washed-up retired players so important? Who cares what they think?!!??

     
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    I remember 2 bogus calls that went the Texans' way and one that went the Pats' way.  ESPN plays to ratings.  The majority of the country dislikes the Pats so most of the time, they'll pander to the lowest common denominator.

     
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    Re: Bias still out there - kills ESPN to give NE credit

    In response to patsbandwagonsince76's comment:

    Todays highlights show the pass interference on Welker as a big play that extended a drive. All the ESPN commentators call it a terrible call because he could not have made the catch.

    OK, look at a replay, when Welker is running full speed before he slows down because he was interfered with keep your finger moving across the screen at his pace, his path intersects the ball..he could have made the catch.

    Secondly, why did they not showcase the bogus offensive holding call on Hernandez in the same way??..which was infact a drive killer? They showed a drive extending penalty on the Texan as if it was giving the Texans 7 points..why not show the play that took away 7 points in the same light??

    Thirdly, Could Trent Dilfer make up more excuses for the Texans? "Matt Shaub played his worse game..he never does these things", mentioned the penalties..ball always bouncing NE way. The last being mostly true but listening to Trent you would think NE would have lost if these unusual lucky breaks did not happen.



    I am baffled how they claimed this was not defensive PI, but the play later in the game where Arrington drew an offensive PI SHOULD have been a defensive PI.

    On the Welker play, the safety was not playing the ball.  He cut across Welker's path a good 10-15 yards short of where the ball landed, and bumped Welker off his route.  It wouldn't have even mattered if he was looking for the ball, because he wasn't playing anywhere near where the ball was heading; he was bumping the receiver off his route.

    Arrington WAS playing the ball.  He got inside position on the receiver, and was running in FRONT of him; the receiver (Johnson?) ran up his backside as Arrington was going for the ball.

     
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    Re: Bias still out there - kills ESPN to give NE credit

    In response to MattC05's comment:

    In response to patsbandwagonsince76's comment:

    Todays highlights show the pass interference on Welker as a big play that extended a drive. All the ESPN commentators call it a terrible call because he could not have made the catch.

    OK, look at a replay, when Welker is running full speed before he slows down because he was interfered with keep your finger moving across the screen at his pace, his path intersects the ball..he could have made the catch.

    Secondly, why did they not showcase the bogus offensive holding call on Hernandez in the same way??..which was infact a drive killer? They showed a drive extending penalty on the Texan as if it was giving the Texans 7 points..why not show the play that took away 7 points in the same light??

    Thirdly, Could Trent Dilfer make up more excuses for the Texans? "Matt Shaub played his worse game..he never does these things", mentioned the penalties..ball always bouncing NE way. The last being mostly true but listening to Trent you would think NE would have lost if these unusual lucky breaks did not happen.



    I am baffled how they claimed this was not defensive PI, but the play later in the game where Arrington drew an offensive PI SHOULD have been a defensive PI.

    On the Welker play, the safety was not playing the ball.  He cut across Welker's path a good 10-15 yards short of where the ball landed, and bumped Welker off his route.  It wouldn't have even mattered if he was looking for the ball, because he wasn't playing anywhere near where the ball was heading; he was bumping the receiver off his route.

    Arrington WAS playing the ball.  He got inside position on the receiver, and was running in FRONT of him; the receiver (Johnson?) ran up his backside as Arrington was going for the ball.



    Agree totally with this.  Gruden was trying to say that should have been on Arrington, which is insane. 

     
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    You know how ESPN works. They need a 'new big thing' to talk about and players and coaches who are controvesial and entertaining so they can fill hours with their comments. They get none of that from the Pats. Bill had his usual press conference..everybody executed and did their job--all 11 players on the field at the time did their jobs. When someone asked him to compare specific Pats players to Texans players he ignored the question.

    I di notice that Brady seems to be picking up Bill's habit of smacking his lips.

     
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    Re: Bias still out there - kills ESPN to give NE credit

    In response to MattC05's comment:

    In response to patsbandwagonsince76's comment:

    Todays highlights show the pass interference on Welker as a big play that extended a drive. All the ESPN commentators call it a terrible call because he could not have made the catch.

    OK, look at a replay, when Welker is running full speed before he slows down because he was interfered with keep your finger moving across the screen at his pace, his path intersects the ball..he could have made the catch.

    Secondly, why did they not showcase the bogus offensive holding call on Hernandez in the same way??..which was infact a drive killer? They showed a drive extending penalty on the Texan as if it was giving the Texans 7 points..why not show the play that took away 7 points in the same light??

    Thirdly, Could Trent Dilfer make up more excuses for the Texans? "Matt Shaub played his worse game..he never does these things", mentioned the penalties..ball always bouncing NE way. The last being mostly true but listening to Trent you would think NE would have lost if these unusual lucky breaks did not happen.



    I am baffled how they claimed this was not defensive PI, but the play later in the game where Arrington drew an offensive PI SHOULD have been a defensive PI.

    On the Welker play, the safety was not playing the ball.  He cut across Welker's path a good 10-15 yards short of where the ball landed, and bumped Welker off his route.  It wouldn't have even mattered if he was looking for the ball, because he wasn't playing anywhere near where the ball was heading; he was bumping the receiver off his route.

    Arrington WAS playing the ball.  He got inside position on the receiver, and was running in FRONT of him; the receiver (Johnson?) ran up his backside as Arrington was going for the ball.




    How many times have our guys been flagged because they didn't turn their heads? It's not like this has never happened before.

     
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    Re: Bias still out there - kills ESPN to give NE credit

    Remember everyone, where is ESPN based?  In New England, of course!  They appear to go to great lengths to avoid a geographic connection to the Pats and, therefore, any inference they play favorites.  Besides, many of the ex-players on their staff who have been on the losing end of Patriot wins may have an ax to grind against the Pats whenever they can.  What is more surprising, and maybe not, is how quickly they may praise the team for a while then slam them in the next breath.  That happens a lot!

     
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    Re: Bias still out there - kills ESPN to give NE credit

    In response to Mike-J-D's comment:

    I remember 2 bogus calls that went the Texans' way and one that went the Pats' way.  ESPN plays to ratings.  The majority of the country dislikes the Pats so most of the time, they'll pander to the lowest common denominator.




    good point

     
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    the complaints regarding the missed calls are valed, as are the critique of the analysts. However, this is a weekly "complaint" at ESPN, that the analysts dont give a certain team a fair shake. Gruden especially, calls them as they happen. He doesnt care who gets the call, or who wins the game.

    To think that ESPN has a Patriot bias is ridculous. Kraft, BB and the entire team are held in the highest regards. To think other wise is simply homerism

     
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    Re: Bias still out there - kills ESPN to give NE credit

    who cares

     
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    Remember everyone, where is ESPN based?  In New England, of course!  They appear to go to great lengths to avoid a geographic connection to the Pats and, therefore, any inference they play favorites.  Besides, many of the ex-players on their staff who have been on the losing end of Patriot wins may have an ax to grind against the Pats whenever they can.  What is more surprising, and maybe not, is how quickly they may praise the team for a while then slam them in the next breath.  That happens a lot!




    ESPN was started by Bill Rasmussen and his son. He was a Springfield, MA guy on channel 22 for years.

     
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    Well Suzy Kolber called the Patriots a machine, but all Young could talk about is that the Texans had no heart. It was like it would have killed him to praise the Pats.

     
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    Re: Bias still out there - kills ESPN to give NE credit

    In response to MattC05's comment:

    In response to patsbandwagonsince76's comment:

    Todays highlights show the pass interference on Welker as a big play that extended a drive. All the ESPN commentators call it a terrible call because he could not have made the catch.

    OK, look at a replay, when Welker is running full speed before he slows down because he was interfered with keep your finger moving across the screen at his pace, his path intersects the ball..he could have made the catch.

    Secondly, why did they not showcase the bogus offensive holding call on Hernandez in the same way??..which was infact a drive killer? They showed a drive extending penalty on the Texan as if it was giving the Texans 7 points..why not show the play that took away 7 points in the same light??

    Thirdly, Could Trent Dilfer make up more excuses for the Texans? "Matt Shaub played his worse game..he never does these things", mentioned the penalties..ball always bouncing NE way. The last being mostly true but listening to Trent you would think NE would have lost if these unusual lucky breaks did not happen.



    I am baffled how they claimed this was not defensive PI, but the play later in the game where Arrington drew an offensive PI SHOULD have been a defensive PI.

    On the Welker play, the safety was not playing the ball.  He cut across Welker's path a good 10-15 yards short of where the ball landed, and bumped Welker off his route.  It wouldn't have even mattered if he was looking for the ball, because he wasn't playing anywhere near where the ball was heading; he was bumping the receiver off his route.

    Arrington WAS playing the ball.  He got inside position on the receiver, and was running in FRONT of him; the receiver (Johnson?) ran up his backside as Arrington was going for the ball.



    I was literally just discussing this with one of my buddies.  Also, I'm pretty sure Gruden said the first pass interference that was on wes shouldn't have been called.  Really?  I didn't know it was legal for a defender to bear hug a receiver in the middle of a slant route.  It's disturbing and uncomfortable to listen to.  Arrington played textbook defense on Andre and he got called for the PI.  

    Although you MIGHT be able to declare the deep ball to Wes was "uncatchable" that PI could have easily been avoided, if, I don't know, maybe Manning didn't run right into Wes in the middle of the route? LOL 

     

    The post-game analysis was so annoying; in a nutshell, the Texans just had an off-game and the Pats got a lot of lucky bounces.  Yeah Dilfer, Young, etc. that's exactly what the world saw, too. LMAO

     
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    Well Suzy Kolber called the Patriots a machine, but all Young could talk about is that the Texans had no heart. It was like it would have killed him to praise the Pats.




    He was right though. The Texans looked shell shocked for most of the game. It was like they couldn't believe that they couldn't run the ball or sack Brady and didn't know what to do about it.

     
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    Re: Bias still out there - kills ESPN to give NE credit

    In response to rkarp's comment:

    the complaints regarding the missed calls are valed, as are the critique of the analysts. However, this is a weekly "complaint" at ESPN, that the analysts dont give a certain team a fair shake. Gruden especially, calls them as they happen. He doesnt care who gets the call, or who wins the game.

    To think that ESPN has a Patriot bias is ridculous. Kraft, BB and the entire team are held in the highest regards. To think other wise is simply homerism




    ESPN is made up of people, if they represent the cross section of the American sports landscape, fans and ex-players many have huge jelousy issues about the successful organization (that hey were not a part of). Not likley many of them have had a team as successful as the Pats. Actually the Patriots have probably ruined their teams Sundays multiple time and perhaps even their one chance at a SB. Look at any comment board outside of this one onece in a while bring up the Patriots and multiple people will bring up the Patriots weak SOS, Pats paying off the refs, still talking about Spygate, Brady being a system QB and not really deserving, etc. etc..

    So I agree for the most part ESPN as an organization is not biased but their analysts being taken mostly off the scrap heap of ex-players definitely are.

     
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    Re: Bias still out there - kills ESPN to give NE credit

    I do not think the media was too enthralled with the way the Pats won and are very begrudging to admit the Pats were REALLY that much better.  They say the Texans didn't seem to play well?  Well, doesn't the play of the Pats, being dominant, have something to do with that?  Why is it that media has to include some excuses as to why a team was effectively dominated by a superior opponent so as to infer the losing team had a "bad" game and is the main reason the better team dominated?  Most times a better, superior team does make the other team look inferior no matter how good they played!!! 

     
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    who cares




    Bet BB or TB doesn't care one bit.

     
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    Re: Bias still out there - kills ESPN to give NE credit

    As many times as Shaub was looking at the night sky from his back, I imagine that had a major impact on his playing ability.  

     
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    In response to glenr's comment:

    In response to xBruzer77's comment:

    Well Suzy Kolber called the Patriots a machine, but all Young could talk about is that the Texans had no heart. It was like it would have killed him to praise the Pats.




    He was right though. The Texans looked shell shocked for most of the game. It was like they couldn't believe that they couldn't run the ball or sack Brady and didn't know what to do about it.



    Agreed.  Basically, the Pats played to the level that people expected, even if it was very good.  People expected the Texans to compete; they simply didn't show up.  This was pretty shocking, and thus was the theme of the postgame analysis.

     
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    As many times as Shaub was looking at the night sky from his back, I imagine that had a major impact on his playing ability.  



    Brady spent just as much, if not more, time on the ground.  He was getting nailed, solidly, on a LOT of throws.

     
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    Re: Bias still out there - kills ESPN to give NE credit

    Could just be they were mad because their biggest and best matchup of the year was a yawner quite quickly and the average football viewer tuned to other entertainment.

     
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