Big Ben

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    Big Ben

    I was touched when Ben threw a touchdown pass and then pointed 2 fingers towards God.  I wonder if he pointed towards God when he walked out of that nightclub's bathroom in Georgia right after he did whatever he did with that college student last spring.
     
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    I was touched when Ben threw a touchdown pass and then pointed 2 fingers towards God.  I wonder if he pointed towards God when he walked out of that nightclub's bathroom in Georgia right after he did whatever he did with that college student last spring.
    Posted by DirtyWaterLover


    I'm sure he did; "Thank Gawd for co-eds!!!"
     
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    In Response to Big Ben : I'm sure he did; "Thank Gawd for co-eds!!!"
    Posted by niz-58

    Which was exactly what you were thinking when you were 20 something...

     
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    In Response to Re: Big Ben : Which was exactly what you were thinking when you were 20 something...
    Posted by CarveMaster


    Except I didn't require a cop friend to guard the door. Mom and Dad taught me no means no.
     
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    In Response to Re: Big Ben : Except I didn't require a cop friend to guard the door. Mom and Dad taught me no means no.
    Posted by niz-58

    I've seen the Frat Bros and people's roomates do a pretty good job of "guarding the door" for their exploits back in the day. No means no, except when you were both drunk and you were trying just a little bit harder to "get some" for the night...

    Look, I don't know you personally, but I do know a lot of guys from college who are calling Ben "a rapist" (without being charged with anything), who were 100 times worse in college. The Frat Bros at my school committed date rape at every party...and the funny thing was all the girls would brag about it the next day. 

     
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    Wow, nice frat.  Just a complaint away from a Duke-like scandal.  You seem proud that your frat-bors committed date rape at every party.  Plan on sending your daughter to your Alma mater?

    You want to be part of an organization whose members can only get la1d by raping women, then power to you.  But I wouldn't go araound bragging about it.


     
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    In Response to Re: Big Ben : I've seen the Frat Bros and people's roomates do a pretty good job of "guarding the door" for their exploits back in the day. No means no, except when you were both drunk and you were trying just a little bit harder to "get some" for the night... Look, I don't know you personally, but I do know a lot of guys from college who are calling Ben "a rapist" (without being charged with anything), who were 100 times worse in college. The Frat Bros at my school committed date rape at every party...and the funny thing was all the girls would brag about it the next day. 
    Posted by CarveMaster


    This particular co-ed wasn't "bragging about it" when she went to the police the next day. I would say that's a pretty big difference.

    You're not too fussy about who you hang out with are you.
     
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    Not to mention, this girl said she was raped. 
    Posted by BBReigns

    No, her exact word's from the DA's report were "my friends said I was sorta raped". When questioned more by the DA, she quickly dropped the allegations.

    The bottom line is if this DA though a crime occurred, he would have charged Ben. I personally know people who have been real victims of violent crimes, and not one of them has ever backed down from getting justice for themselves.

    Even the DA said both Ben and the girl were both responsible for their childish, drunken behavior.

    Look, I don't like Ben's past off field behavior either. I hope he has really grown up and changed. But, I am not going to accuse him of rape, when he has never been charged or convicted of such a crime.

     
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    Wow, nice frat.  Just a complaint away from a Duke-like scandal.  You seem proud that your frat-bors committed date rape at every party.  Plan on sending your daughter to your Alma mater? You want to be part of an organization whose members can only get la1d by raping women, then power to you.  But I wouldn't go araound bragging about it.
    Posted by DirtyWaterLover

    That's why I never belonged to a frat. Most of those guys were creepy whimps anyway. This just didn't happen at my school in the past. It happens everywhere. I work with a couple of 20 somethings just out of college, and the tell me it is still happening.

    Not saying it is right at all, just saying a lot of guys complain about celebs, but they have done worse things, and got away with it unnoticed because they are nobody's without large contracts...

     
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    In Response to Re: Big Ben : I've seen the Frat Bros and people's roomates do a pretty good job of "guarding the door" for their exploits back in the day. No means no, except when you were both drunk and you were trying just a little bit harder to "get some" for the night... Look, I don't know you personally, but I do know a lot of guys from college who are calling Ben "a rapist" (without being charged with anything), who were 100 times worse in college. The Frat Bros at my school committed date rape at every party...and the funny thing was all the girls would brag about it the next day. 
    Posted by CarveMaster


    Please tell me you're not saying a 28 y.o. man with a hired police detail locking himself and a 20 y.o. girl in the bathroom is even remotely comparable to a college frat party where intoxicated kids are making bad judgements.  The guy abused his celebrity status by luring that girl into a bathroom and by hiring cops to "make everything ok" after his extremely troubling pattern of behavior led him to a bar where there were college kids hanging out.  How pathetic is that!     

    We've all done stupid things in college but every guy I knew understood that there was a line that should never be crossed.  And I've never heard of even one rape case where a woman bragged or laughed about it the next day, date rape or otherwise.  And when I was 28, I wasn't looking to shack up with inebriated college girls  This speaks speaks even more to his maturity level. 
     
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                Well isn't the second girl that accused him of rape still going ahead with her allegations?I belive I did hear that
     
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    ^^This was my point. Insecure tools at a frat party or drunken college kids hooking up with one another and locking a door for privacy, etc, is a lot different than a Pro Bowl QB of a popular NFL franchise resorting to what he did. That defense sounds like something Johnnie Cochrane would use.
    Posted by BBReigns


    Both individuals agreeing to hook up is one thing. A bunch of creepy Frat Bros getting a girl/girls totally drunk, then forcing them to have sex, often with multiple partners, is rape. This happens on college campus all around the country.

    Look, if their is evidence that Ben really did rape that girl, then charge the SOB. If he hasn't been charged and convicted, then he is not a rapist. I wonder if Ben was not Ben, and just some drunk Georgia good'ol boy that this drunk girl decided to "hook up" with, if the police would have got wind of any of this. Like I said, I personally know victims of actual violent crimes, and not one of them has ever backed down from their claims.
     
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                Well isn't the second girl that accused him of rape still going ahead with her allegations?I belive I did hear that
    Posted by lippa

    No, this girl has refuses to talk about the incident. Which is smart, as both her layer and the DA warned her that filing a false police report is a crime. Anything she says from this point on could be used by the DA against her.

    The first women in Nevada, never filed a criminal complaint and said she never will. She is still going ahead with her civil suit, hoping for a seven figure payday, in spite of all her co-workers claiming nothing happened, and her admitted mental history. 

     
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    I am well aware what goes on at college parties.  Again, you are talking about girls and guys going into a room on their own volition, freely looking to get laid.   Not being shuffled into a bathroom in a public venue with someone blocking the door, let alone and off duty police officer. Funny how we learned nothing about what happened to the police officer seen blocking the door, too.  Money talks. All the witnesses at this bar all said the same thing.
    Posted by BBReigns


    I fail to see how Frat Brothers, getting underage girls drunk, locking them into a room, and pulling a train on them is not multiple counts of rape...and that is just on one weekend.

    They pull this stuff every weekend, on every college campus in the country.
     
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    In Response to Re: Big Ben : No, this girl has refuses to talk about the incident. Which is smart, as both her layer and the DA warned her that filing a false police report is a crime. Anything she says from this point on could be used by the DA against her. The first women in Nevada, never filed a criminal complaint and said she never will. She is still going ahead with her civil suit, hoping for a seven figure payday, in spite of all her co-workers claiming nothing happened, and her admitted mental history. 
    Posted by CarveMaster


    Yeah, poor Ben was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    Funny how that seems to keep happening to certain people.
    At least we can agree that Ben is, at best, only as reprehensible as your average frat a&&wipe.

    Just type of guy I'd want leading my team.
     
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    It isn't just that he raped a woman in the bathroom at a bar.  It's that he was fined in his rookie season for putting references to bible verses on his shoes and now points to God after making a good play, as if God gives hoot one way or another.

    What's the difference between what Ben did and Mike Tyson went to jail for?  Oh, I forget - Ben brought people along to clean up after him.

    Not only should ben have gone to jail, his entire entourage should have gone.  The guy's a tool.

     
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    1. According to CBS , Roethlisberger’s alleged victim told him that sexual intercourse “wasn’t OK...and I proceeded to get up and try to leave. I went to the first door I saw, which happened to be the bathroom, and shut the door behind him. I still said no, this is not OK, and he then had sex with me. He said it was OK. He then left without saying anything.” If that wasn’t vomit/cringe/anger inducing enough, consider this:

    When questioned by the DA in actually what position she was in the bathroom, she said "sitting on the toilet". When the rape kit report came back from the hospital, there was no evidence (no cells, no hair, no body fluid) that anyone had sex with this girl that night.

    When confronted by the DA that it "would be impossible for a man to penetrate you while sitting on a toilet" and the lack of any physical evidence that any type of sex had happened that night, the girl consulted with her own criminal defense attorney, who asked the DA to drop all potential charges against Ben.

    If this girl had really been raped, why did she have her criminal defense attorney approach the DA to have this dismissed? Ben's attorney never asked the DA to drop anything.



     
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    Seriously, CarveMaster, I hope that you are saying this to get some kind of attention, because if you really hang out with that kind of crowd and you really feel that way you're a very disturbed individual. It's NEVER alright to rape. end of story - doesn't matter how it's done, or where. doesn't matter if it was Ben or some jacka$$ college kid.

    And for the record, yes I do think that Ben's story is fishy as hell. I absolutely do believe that the evidence says that she said no and his big fragile ego couldn't accept the fact he'd been shot down.
     
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