Big Nickle

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    Big Nickle

    All this talk about Vince Wilfork getting franchised and perhaps traded got me thinking about the Pats switching to a Big Nickle defense, or at least adding this formation on a more regular basis.  If they trade VW for a 1st round pick, they could turn that into at least one good D-line prospect in a draft that is looking pretty deep at the DT position.  The Pats would still have decent depth at DT should VW get traded.  They could move Warren and Wright inside, with Brace and Prior rotating in.  They could also bring in another DT or two like Odrick, Dan Williams or Brian Price with the Wilfork compensation pick.  I also think Mayo could excel in this type of defense. 

    Let's not forget that Belichick has tinkered with adding a SS/LB type for years now, going all the way back to the days of Victor Green in '02.  This almost became a reality a couple years back with the signing of Tank Williams and him on the verge of making the team before he blew out his knee. 

    I think Belichick senses a need to incorporate the Big Nickle defense as a supplement to his base 3-4 because the league has become much more of a passing league.  Teams that can throw the ball with precision have torched the Pats the past couple years.  As more teams have switched to the 3-4 defense, I think Belichick continues to try staying ahead of the curve and brings in the Big Nickle package on a regular basis.  I know I'd like to see more of P. Chung next year playing next to Meriweather.  The Pats could even be in a position to draft a guy like Taylor Mays from USC, who's probably an ideal fit to play the SS/LB position this defense.  

    Just saying it's something to consider.   
     
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    I was thinking Mays when I started reading your post.

    Not sure if he has the smarts required, but he might be uniquely qualified from a physical standpoint.

     
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    Having Meriweather, Chung and Mays all on the field at the same time would be very interesting.
     
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    I'm not sure I understand what the big nickel is other than bringing in the extra DB who probably is also a good tackler. I'm all for anything that gets them a better shot in coverage. I think a switch to the 4-3 makes sense since there will be slim pickings for the 3-4 mode player by the time the Pats pick and Peppers plays the 4-3 if that's the direction they want to go. Anything works if you have the personnel and I don't think the Pats have the talent on the roster right now to execute anything well but as you are suggesting by wanting Butler on the field more they need to take lemons and make lemonaid. I hope BB is flexible because I'm not impressed with the FA list and without that they're dependant on the draft.
     
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    Baron,

    It's basically a 4-3 look because the added safety could play closer to the line serving as a extra linebacker or drop back into coverage.  It also places more emphasis on the D-line to generate a pass rush since there are only 2 Lbs.  Peppers would be an ideal fit in this case, as well as USC's Taylor Mays.  They could then also re-sign D. Burgess and have him play on the opposite of Peppers, while rotating-in guys like Brace and Prior to give Warren and Wright a breather. 
     
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    I hoped BB watched the super bowl and saw how the bend don't break defensne really works nowadays, the big nickle is a good optiion to have

     
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    Big Nickle of 2002 with Milloy, Tebucky and Victor Green last seen getting run over by Steve McNair on Monday Night.  Yuck.

    Got to have safeties that can cover and tackle for it to work.  Meriweather can cover but is a weak tackler,  Sanders can tackle, mediocre in coverage. not sure about Chung either way.  Mays is a very intersting pick if he falls.  I like the idea.
     
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    I really don't know enough about about fooball X's and O's (Sometimes I think I may be the only guy here who knows he can't be a coach in the NFL) to know if this is a brilliant plan.  However from what I do understand about the big nickel it sounds like a very good plan.  If you look at the personnel moves the last couple of years it almost seems like BB might be putting the pieces in place get a package like this running. (maybe that's why he wants to run the defense this year?)

    If it helps the Pats pass defense I'm all for it because I would agree that the passing game is where the NFL is going and defending it is the only way to be successful.  However I think it's important to point out that the Pats are likely to face two of the best rushing attacks in the NFL in their own division in NYJ and MIA so they have to make sure there is a good run defense package available.
     
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    Eh.  I like playing good solid coverage behind a furious pass rush.  With 3 linebackers.  2 corners, 2 safeties.  One safety should be a bit more of an LB size wise.  But the point of emphasis here, 4 large men up front pushing the Oline back into the QB's lap.  Pressure=pick, Cover=sack.  Period.
     
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    Re: Big Nickle

    Have any teams of the past won the Super Bowl employing a Big Nickel?  Is anyone using it currently? 
     
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    The big thing with BB and his defenses are that they are constantly changing. Reiss usually tracks after the game how often they are in a given formation and it is usually different depending on the opponent. In other words BB likes players that are flexible, smart and athletic. To say that they are going to change into a certain defense is the wrong way to look at it. To say that they have the flexibility to go into different defenses depending on the situation in the game and the strengths of the other teams offense. I am not saying I don't like the idea of having a hybrid LB/SS in the bag for BB is a bad idea but I don't think he should change his entire offense becuase of one player.
     
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    Re: Big Nickle

    The Saints just used the 3-3-5 extensively in their Super Bowl win.

    It depends on whether your personnel and the game plan fit, but it's definitely something different and the SS/OLB gives you a lot of versatility.

    I swear I already saw McGowan play the SS/OLB role at times, though, this year.  Maybe after hitting a midseason wall he'll come around this year and make the leap
     
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