Big Sey

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    Big Sey

    http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/football/patriots/christopher-price/2011/09/30/ex-patriot-seymour-credited-helping-res

    Good article on a guy we should have kept.  His leadership has been what is most missed.  Always remember Brady and Seymour walking together off the field at Pittsburgh in 2005 after a big regular season win.  Brady says to the NFL Films camera "This is the best defensive player in the game".
     
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    I miss Big Sexy, Razor Ramon, and 6 pac... WWE should have kept them too.
     
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    He's toast
     
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    agreed - do miss his leadership. sigh...hindsight is 20/20..

    however, we would not have gotten Solder without his pick though....

     
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    a LT of the future is > then a DT that will be out of FB in a few years.
     
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    He has always been about money. He played hard last season because it was a contract year. He got his contract so expect the 75% effort again. He might have a chip on his shoulder against the Pats for shipping him away from paradise into hell though.
     
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    Everyone on this board seems to have a long memory with the exception of the Seymour issue. No one seems to want to remember how Sey dogged in  for his last two years here, after he got a huge contract.

    If he had played with the intensity he now shows in Oakland, he'd still be here.
     
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    [QUOTE]I miss Big Sexy, Razor Ramon, and 6 pac... WWE should have kept them too.
    Posted by Getzo[/QUOTE]

         Agreed! I loved the "NWO"...LOL!!!
     
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    [QUOTE]He has always been about money. He played hard last season because it was a contract year. He got his contract so expect the 75% effort again. He might have a chip on his shoulder against the Pats for shipping him away from paradise into hell though.
    Posted by BabeParilli[/QUOTE]

         Right you are that he's been all about the money. Once he got paid here, for whatever reason, he was never the same dominant player. He did at times appear to be going through the motions, as you suggest, Babe. Or, perhaps he was slowed by various injuries. In any event, he was not earning his big salary  here.

         To his credit, the trade to Oakland seemed to wake him up. Since his arrival there, he's had a resurgence, and is perhaps the main reason for the Raiders' turnaround to respectability. I'm sure he's chomping at the bit to wreck the Patriots this Sunday.

         Here are his stats: http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/2554/richard-seymour  
     
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    No one and I mean NO ONE can justify this terrible trade now. Big Sey is an absolute beast that played a huge part in bringing championships here. If we had kept him, which obviously we should have, I think we would have won another one by now. He remains a dominant force. Ask yourself if he played for the Steelers if they would have made this move. All-pro D tackles are hard to find. This trade sucked.
     
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    water under the bridge...spilt milk
     
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    He's all about money?  What NFL player isn't!  The fact is Seymour has been very productive for the Raiders, while the Pats defense has slipped bigtime since his departure.
     
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    We were not going to pay Sey, Wilfork and Brady people, one had to go. We got a first round pick and what looks like the franchise LT of the future in Solder.

    Do we miss his presence on defense, hell yeah we do. Was it bad to trade him? No.

    Why? we were not going to pay the man! Get that straight people. 
     
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    No one and I mean NO ONE can justify this terrible trade now. Big Sey is an absolute beast that played a huge part in bringing championships here. If we had kept him, which obviously we should have, I think we would have won another one by now. He remains a dominant force. Ask yourself if he played for the Steelers if they would have made this move. All-pro D tackles are hard to find. This trade sucked.
    Posted by jam757




    ~Southpark's "Captain Hindsight"

    Before the start of the Pats 2005 Season, Seymour held out of training camp...mind you, this was before Branch held out, and before Asante held out-  Still under his initial Rookie Contract, and on an already 2 Superbowl Winning Franchise.  Franchise tag like Asante Samuel?  Nada...still under contract.  And was he due the money?  Yes, Of COURSE!  That's not the point however... 

    Points are the following:
    Seymour was first given a big pay raise for the upcoming 2005-2006 Season, and in 2006 Seymour was given a 3 year 10 million dollar contract...Due to end for NE, at the very end of the 2009 Season (the very year he was traded to Oakland was his final contract year).
    After Sey's 1 year contract extension, he injured his knee against SD, and missed the next 4 games.  In 2006 at the beginning of his Big New Deal, Sey injured his elbow at mid year, costing him a start.  In 2007, Sey had left knee surgery and missed offseason training camp, preseason training camp, and finally started the Season on NE's PUP, thus missing the first 6 games of 2007... First year, not voted to Pro Bowl for RS (not to mention being one of the guys who had Eli Manning in his grasp...and then out).  In 2008, Sey had a very good year, and he started the first 15 games...but missed the final game due to a new back injury...

    Now, This is a guy with knee, elbow and back injuries...ALL within a 3 year span.  A guy who's missed significant time in 3 years...  A guy who you KNOW has zero problem holding out of a written contract for a better deal IF Seymour feels he's worth the price he might not be currently getting...  Finally in 2008, he's looking on the surface to be finally getting back into some form (hopefully?)...but he's now in the very last year of his 2nd contract. 

    You're certain of this: You have a guy with 3 injury issues for just 1 year, and who's held out of training camp in the past.  Al Davis calls and offers you a 1st Round Draft Selection for him.

    It is a complete and absolute ZERO brainer to make this trade...unless you can divine the least probable occurence in the unforseable future.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Big Sey : Southpark's "Captain Hindsight"
    Posted by LazarusintheSanatorium[/QUOTE]

    +1

    Big Sey was great in the early years.  He was so hobbled by SB42 that he had several chances to end the game when Eli positively had to pass.  The younger, injury-free Sey would have ended that game.

    It was time to move on after 3 injury-plagued seasons.
     
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    OT:  How ironic that BDC won't let you say bang-ed, as in Sey was bang-ed up, but they ran an ad all last week for the Big Bang Theory that said "B A N G" 5 days a week with a picture of Kelly C.  Gee, double-entendre you think?
     
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    Hindsight is 20 20 as fans we all forget but he was more like Haynesworth is now (alright maybe no that bad).  He was "appearing" to move into that "injury phase" of his career.  In other words I'm sure they projected him to become more like Bob Sanders than Jim Marshall (remember him from the Vikings...played forever.)

    They traded him at his peak because the next season he would have walked into free agency and we would have gotten nothing.  No problem with the move, my problem is there is no adequate replacement.  Two separate issues.
     

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