Re: Bill Belichick and Jim Brown
posted at 9/26/2013 7:02 PM EDT
In response to pcmIV's comment:
In response to BabeParilli's comment:
Not really. It is clear that Rehbein made a pest of himself to get Brady drafted. HE is the man who pushed this. And Brady's head coach at Michigan claims Grier was the one who contacted him about Brady.
BB's impact on this is very flimsy compared to those two. At best, BB simply went along with what other people were pushing on that pick. There is simply no evidence out there whatsoever that shows BB was the guy who "discovered" Brady.
Trying to spin this as a BB the GM brilliant move is what is the dumb (homer) stuff.
You completely ignored my point. Rehbein did pester BB about drafting Brady, but he was sent by BB and Pioli to scout Brady in the first place. How do I know this? Because Charlie Weis said so in the interviews he gave for that Yahoo! Sports piece written about Rehbein:
Scott Pioli and head coach Bill Belichick made a list of six quarterback prospects and asked Dick to evaluate them. “Scott and Bill had to find [Brady] first,” Weis says.
In addition I like how you ignored the rest of my post which you obviously didn't have a response to. I'll post it again for you:
It is insane to not give BB credit for the pick just because Rehbein may have clamored for the team to draft Brady. I can assure you that tons of scouts and coaches push players they want the team to draft that never get drafted. More importantly by this logic no GM in the NFL should get credit for any picks their team makes. Do you think BB is the only guy on the staff that wanted Seymour or Mankins or Wilfork? Of course not, but ultimately BB gets final say. That's the point.
Why don't you quote the whole article when you tout the Weiss comment? Hunh?
"But early in the process Dick realized there was something wonderful about Brady."
Many other sources show it was DR who made Brady happen, not BB. All BB did was ask him to go check out some late round draft prospects.
"Dick returned from Michigan to tell his bride he'd found himself a good one. "Twenty years from now," Dick told Pam, "people will know the name Tom Brady."Draft him, the quarterbacks coach told his bosses. Find a round and draft him.
"Dick Rehbein, the late quarterbacks coach, gets a lot of credit for Brady ending up with New England. Rehbein's glowing report of a Brady workout in Michigan was significant."
"And Belichick almost didn’t draft Tom Brady.
In 2000, the Patriots wanted to draft a quarterback in the late rounds to groom as a potential replacement for Drew Bledsoe. They were looking at two quarterbacks, both of which they thought they could get in the sixth or seventh round. They had both of those young quarterbacks rated even.
One of those two quarterbacks was Tom Brady. The other one was Tim Rattay.
Had the late Dick Rehbein not picked Tom Brady over Tim Rattay, the entire course of NFL history would have changed. There would have been no Super Bowl victories for the Patriots. There would be no genius Bill Belichick."
"He was one who stumped noisily for New England to select Tom Brady with a sixth-round pick in the 2000 draft. He met with the kid and promised to help him become an NFL starter some day."
Every search you do will lead you to Dick Rehbein as the driving force that brought Tom Brady to the Pats.
Here's the guy who brought us the greatest player in Pats history. May he RIP. Thanks Dick.
Now if you want to give BB credit for developing Brady, I'm all in on that. When Dick passed away BB and Charlie became the QBs coach. And BB was phenomenal in that role from all I read. The guy brought his superlative knowledge of Xs and Os to these guys and Brady ate it up. BB is probably a better position coach than he is a HC, and he's a great HC.
But in the end, drafting in the 6th round is pretty much pure luck. So the "BB drafted Brady" argument is silly.