Bill Eff'n O'Brien

  1. You have chosen to ignore posts from BBReigns. Show BBReigns's posts

    Bill Eff'n O'Brien

    In 2009, I blamed the one dimensional offense, scapegoated the new guy last year, then I blamed Moss for wanting the ball too much this year, and now I feel like maybe it is really O'Brien and the fixation with throwing the ball a la McDaniels.

    When it's time to go for it on a makeable 4th and 1 against a mediocre run D (at best), everyone will ask about the call, where instead they should be asking why does this guy ignore the run the entire game, especially the first half?

    How do you expect your O Line and offense to generate a rhythm when playcalling is so predictable?

    He continues to eliminate production for entire halves simply by forcing plays.

    Case in point:

    1st QTR - 1st down, BJGE 8 yards.  2nd Down, Pass.  3rd and 2, pass. Both incomplete, 3 and out.

    WHY on earth are you passing two times after an 8 yard run?  SD has a very good pass D and you go to a spread on 2nd and 2 and 3rd and 2?

    Where were the screens, draws, counters, etc, in the first half?

    this is just tiring.

    All we hear all week long is how "they Pats like to spread you out". Ok, well maybe they shouldn't be so F'n obvious/predictable anymore?

    Where is Edelman?  Where are earlier deeper routes to Tate off play action?

    It's like O'Brien can only get going in one of the halves, and this year, it's the 2nd half.

    That appproach will not work agaisnt better Ds.  WAKE UP, O'Brien.  AWFUL.

    GRADE: F


     
  2. This post has been removed.

     
  3. This post has been removed.

     
  4. You have chosen to ignore posts from BBReigns. Show BBReigns's posts

    Re: Bill Eff'n O'Brien

    I am happy, too.  But, what is with the 9 yard gains on 1st down and then forcing in the spread offense?

    The 2nd half drive was good because they forced some runs in there and got smalll chunks of yards, opening up more play action opps and leaving the possibilty of a draw on 3rd down.

    The spread is great against average pass Ds, but SD's is good!  This is why it is confusing.

    I don't think BJGE is incapable of taking 20 carries and getting 85-100 yards in a game.

    The OL also looks worse with this kind of a gameplan. It's just tiring to see.

    O'Brien has one good game and then reverts back into 2009 O'Brien the next week.


     
  5. You have chosen to ignore posts from themightypatriotz. Show themightypatriotz's posts

    Re: Bill Eff'n O'Brien

    Wow, Russ, I thought you supported this team.  You sound like all the other trolls, whiners and haters. 

    O'Brien:  A
    Fans:  F
     
  6. You have chosen to ignore posts from CaptnFoxboro. Show CaptnFoxboro's posts

    Re: Bill Eff'n O'Brien

     DONT DISSENT OR THE MIGHTY P WILL SLAP A TROLL TAG ON YOU !


    I think that flea-flicker to start the game was designed to "open up" the field but I have to admit that SD's D-backs played a great game.
      At first I thought it was Brady just being off , but you could see in the replays that there was just nothin' there and even when there was - the windows were tiny .
      It also led to Brady holding the ball a tick too long and paying for it with some pretty good body shots ( luckily no damage done )

     Hopefully this game was an anomaly and the Pats will continue to work the kinks out.

    PS - Not an O'Brien fan here ...but I gotta believe its BB's final say on what to run on 4th and 1

     
  7. This post has been removed.

     
  8. You have chosen to ignore posts from ewhite1065. Show ewhite1065's posts

    Re: Bill Eff'n O'Brien

    I did question a few calls yesterday. The 4th and 1 of course being the most Blatant. Also I was P!zzed at the back to back throws when we picked up 9 on the first down running. That Flea Flicker actually looked to be a pretty good call but Brady really threw a bad ball there. Let's see what happens against the Vikings. They aren't as good defensively as the Chargers are this year. I honestly think the Chargers were the best D we played against so far.
     
  9. You have chosen to ignore posts from trident13. Show trident13's posts

    Re: Bill Eff'n O'Brien

    In Response to Bill Eff'n O'Brien:
    In 2009, I blamed the one dimensional offense, scapegoated the new guy last year, then I blamed Moss for wanting the ball too much this year, and now I feel like maybe it is really O'Brien and the fixation with throwing the ball a la McDaniels. When it's time to go for it on a makeable 4th and 1 against a mediocre run D (at best), everyone will ask about the call, where instead they should be asking why does this guy ignore the run the entire game, especially the first half? How do you expect your O Line and offense to generate a rhythm when playcalling is so predictable? He continues to eliminate production for entire halves simply by forcing plays. Case in point: 1st QTR - 1st down, BJGE 8 yards.  2nd Down, Pass.  3rd and 2, pass. Both incomplete, 3 and out. WHY on earth are you passing two times after an 8 yard run?  SD has a very good pass D and you go to a spread on 2nd and 2 and 3rd and 2? Where were the screens, draws, counters, etc, in the first half? this is just tiring. All we hear all week long is how "they Pats like to spread you out". Ok, well maybe they shouldn't be so F'n obvious/predictable anymore? Where is Edelman?  Where are earlier deeper routes to Tate off play action? It's like O'Brien can only get going in one of the halves, and this year, it's the 2nd half. That appproach will not work agaisnt better Ds.  WAKE UP, O'Brien.  AWFUL. GRADE: F
    Posted by BBReigns


    I can' t agree with you anymore.  My #1 problem with this team is our play calling.  That was by far the worst set of calls I've seen this year.  8yd Rush, pass twice after?????
     
  10. You have chosen to ignore posts from BBReigns. Show BBReigns's posts

    Re: Bill Eff'n O'Brien

    3 runs in the 1st quarter with that Time of Possession?  I think they had 5 in the 2nd quarter, but those camer after it became obvious they couldn't pass like they wanted to in the spread.

    So, the second they don't use the spread, SD knew it was a run.

    This is the issue. It's so obvious and it's what hurt them last year with stalled drives.

    Just use more playaction and run it!  Stack the TEs!  No one is stopping the Crump/Gronk duo on runs.

    In the end, NE was out-Time of Possessioned 34-25 minutes which is a joke when you have 4 turnovers like that.

    3/12 on 3rd downs!

    That's not a good stat.





     
  11. This post has been removed.

     
  12. You have chosen to ignore posts from BBReigns. Show BBReigns's posts

    Re: Bill Eff'n O'Brien

    That was a good playcall. One of the few he had all day.
     
  13. You have chosen to ignore posts from Dessalines. Show Dessalines's posts

    Re: Bill Eff'n O'Brien

    I agree that when you get eight yards on first down, try running it again. I've been frustrated with this for a while.

    However, every game is a microcosm.  San Diego has among the best offensive and defensive stats in the league for what is now a 2 & 5 team.  Their defensive prowess may account in some degree for New England's lack of overall offensive output but we fans rarely credit the other team for anything, we simply say the PATS s _ _ k, of some facet of the team s _ _ ks, such as the pay calling or the Q.B. or whatever. We should also remember that San Diego let Cromartie go at CB and he's not chicken salad back there, so they must have pretty good DB's. 

    What should have us dancing in the street is the defensive play for three quarters, it was very good.  A pass rush is developing.  The defense forced or picked up four turnovers in the first three quarters of play. Who would have thought that in say, July?  Not many.  Who would have seen the PATS as winners of this game in San Diego in July? Again, not many.  We beat those guys in their own house.  Last year we couldn't buy a win on the road.  Now we've got two in what are tough places to win.  The play in the defensive secondary is becoming pretty solid.  There was more than one occasion where Rivers had no one to throw to and he was under pressure most of the day and the run was shut down.  It was the move in the fourth quarter, up 23 - 6, to start with the prevent defense that led to our angst at the end of the game.  However, I note that on their last drive to the missed FG, that the Chargers started at about mid field and hey could only move it into position for a forty five yarder.  Not bad, considering that last year we probably would have given up the TD.  The false start penalty shows Charger indiscipline, not PATS indiscipline and accounted for the win in the end.  The win is the most important stat.  Rivers had great stats and many fantasy people are happy this morning if they have him on their fantasy team but they lost the game.  I suspect Phillip Rivers is very unhappy about that stat. and we should be correspondingly HAPPY to be 5 & 1, which are the most telling stat for the NFL's elite teams this morning. I hope it holds up. 
     
  14. You have chosen to ignore posts from NYPat. Show NYPat's posts

    Re: Bill Eff'n O'Brien

    Some of you monday morning quarterback fans are the worst. I think our team did the best they could and I am sure BB knows what the coaching staff is doing.

    I am just grateful that we won the game.

    The defense played very well - we keep forgetting how young they are. I am amazed the kind of performance these coaches are getting out of rookies.

    Offense had problems - Brady was the first one to admit and he said so. I think the third quarter drive was masterful and pretty amazing that got the job done.

    But most of all Patriots showed amazing mental strength. IMO that was the winning ingredient in yesterday's game.
     
  15. You have chosen to ignore posts from BBReigns. Show BBReigns's posts

    Re: Bill Eff'n O'Brien

    Fair enough. I am done complaining.  It's just frustrating. We sat here all last year as the media blamed the D for losing games, whenin reality, the offense blew all those games.

    The fans think the D is the problem and it isn't!

    The offense.

    And O'Brien almost blew it again This guy constanlyt gets let off the hook.

    It's "Matt Light was terrible", "Dan Connolly was pulled for RYan Wendell", etc, etc, etc.

    The playcalling can help the O Line. 

    Good point to focus on the good stuff.  The D is coming of age and they make plays. Great contributions from all.

     
  16. You have chosen to ignore posts from trident13. Show trident13's posts

    Re: Bill Eff'n O'Brien

    I'm getting excited about their defense.  Still to early to say anything, but it appears to me that they are getting just a little bit better week by week.  Fun to see these young guys fly around the field. 
     
  17. You have chosen to ignore posts from MuellerTime19. Show MuellerTime19's posts

    Re: Bill Eff'n O'Brien

    That was the type of game that as a fan you cant really ENJOY. I hate to say it but its true.

    I love the Defense..I hope Chung is OK. He would have made a HUGE difference in the 2nd half when we were playing "Prevent from Winning" Dime Packages. Sergio did come up huge but who knows with Chung in the whole half. Chung is top 3 Tackler on Team.

    Oh Matt Light, you're still here? Didn't see you out there.... Now Please move over to RT. Thank you.
     
  18. You have chosen to ignore posts from BBReigns. Show BBReigns's posts

    Re: Bill Eff'n O'Brien

    This is probably how Jets fans felt last week.  Jets looked mediocre at best and get a gift call to win the game. 
     
  19. You have chosen to ignore posts from chrisakawoody. Show chrisakawoody's posts

    Re: Bill Eff'n O'Brien

    In Response to Re: Bill Eff'n O'Brien:
    That was the type of game that as a fan you cant really ENJOY. I hate to say it but its true. I love the Defense..I hope Chung is OK. He would have made a HUGE difference in the 2nd half when we were playing "Prevent from Winning" Dime Packages. Sergio did come up huge but who knows with Chung in the whole half. Chung is top 3 Tackler on Team. Oh Matt Light, you're still here? Didn't see you out there.... Now Please move over to RT. Thank you.
    Posted by MuellerTime19


    Yeah, the writing is on the wall for Light to retire next year.  I think they kep him one year too long as it is.  He is constantly getting beat and Brady is taking the beat downs.
     
  20. You have chosen to ignore posts from Macrawn. Show Macrawn's posts

    Re: Bill Eff'n O'Brien

    I think lately he has mixed it up a lot more. The play calling was fine with a couple of exceptions. I didn't like the 4th and 1 call. But every dang game no matter who is calling the plays is going to have a couple of bad calls. 

    I was critical of O'Brien for his predictability. I'll be the first to say that. But play calling wasn't the problem yesterday. He mixed it up decently and going with the no huddle sparked things at the right time. They got manhandled by the SD defensive line plain and simple. Stuffed was the word of the day for BJGE and Brady got pressured all day without blitzes. Light got owned. I'm starting to see that the positions of priority is not a DE but a tackle and running back for next years draft. 
     
  21. You have chosen to ignore posts from JohnHannahrulz. Show JohnHannahrulz's posts

    Re: Bill Eff'n O'Brien

    Had a couple of good time consuming drives, but the Pats did not fully capitalize on turnovers....won't be able to do that against the Steelers, Colts and Jets and still win. Defense played great and continues to improve.
     
  22. You have chosen to ignore posts from BBReigns. Show BBReigns's posts

    Re: Bill Eff'n O'Brien

    O'Brien is getting hammered on radio about the playcalling.   Gresh just mentioned the "sequence". And that was my point.

    He wastes so much time trying to out-think himself on personnel and playcalls.

    Simplify it down, because most teams won't be able to handle the balanced attack.
     
  23. This post has been removed.

     
  24. You have chosen to ignore posts from RushThePillPopper. Show RushThePillPopper's posts

    Re: Bill Eff'n O'Brien

    In Response to Re: Bill Eff'n O'Brien:
    This is probably how Jets fans felt last week.  Jets looked mediocre at best and get a gift call to win the game. 
    Posted by BBReigns
    ..mediocre game, yes. a win,yes. Just as people here say "a win is a win" it applies too to that game. And what "gift call" are you referring to? Are you gonna join maybe 2 or 3 others (out the total posting community) and say that was NOT pass interference on the Denver defender?
     
  25. You have chosen to ignore posts from kebbe. Show kebbe's posts

    Re: Bill Eff'n O'Brien

        I had a problem with not punting the ball on fourth and one with two minutes to go in the game.Mesko had already killed two punts inside the twenty and it was better than even money he would have done it again from his forty-nine.Having said that,I had even more of a problem with the call.The OL was having its worse game of the year by far(Light and Donnelly were pasticularly horrid)after having played well to date.The Chargers had nine guys on the line of scrimmage and we run right into the teeth of the defense and let's face it BJGE doesn't explode off the ball the way many backs do.Slip a TE off the line in play action and it's a gimme.Frankly,a lot of plays would have been infinately better.The Chargers came into this game at 2-4 despite their number one ranking on offense and defense,and they are now2-5.Why?they make too many turnovers and commit too many brain dead penalties in critical situations.George AllenTom Landry and other NFL coaches have said 75% of all games are lost,not won (and there were a lot of instances of it Yesterday,as there are every week,just look at the Steelers and Ravens wins as a good examples).What did Pats do to deserve the win even in the face of their offense coming out flat,the OL being terrible after playing so well to date,Brady being off target in the first half and not having a typical Brady day overall,B.B.starting to play a soft zone,prevent defense starting in the middle of the third quarter with a young defense that plays much better being aggressive and pro-active rather than soft and reactive and giving up a bunch of yards(but not a lot of points when they were attacking)?They did not turn the ball over and they didn't take stupid penalties at crucial times,that's what and that is often enough.By the way,has anyone seen any report on Chung's injury?He would have been big for the Pats in the fourth quarter.
     
Sections
Shortcuts

Share