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    .If put into proper perspective it's pretty amazing that they've had sustained success for more than a decade during the salary cap era.

     



    Not all that amazing. Put a MEDIOCRE team around a guy many call the greatest QB who ever lived and you're probably going to make the playoffs just about every time and might come close to winning it all. Put a good team around him and you probably have a dynasty.

     

     




    brady did not play well, i dont know what game you were watching. he was throwing the ball at receiver's feet, forcing the ball into tight spots that werent there....he is lucky he didnt throw 4 int's with how awful he was that game. lloyd and welker made some great catches in that game to make brady's stats look respectable. yes, wes dropped one easy pass that could have changed the game. he also made 4 or 5 catches that only a select few of receivers can make. also, the pats do have a good team around him, the gronkowski injury definitely hurt, but they still had a good o-line, a young and good running game, [ranked 1st in td's], a receiving core that included welker, lloyd, and hernandez....yes i know hern is a TE, but hes really more of a receiver the way they use him. the defense was also a top 10 defense once talib arrived....the defense was playing very well in the first half while talib was out there. once he was injured, they were forced in to putting marquice freakin cole and arrington in coverage, that was the game right there. so i agree they need more good players in the secondary, but besides that, you cant score 13 f.ucking points on offense and blame the defense, its just ignorant.

     

     



    Ya, it sux your boy Ridley personally killed 2 scoring drives and 7-11 points.

     

    TB killed 3-7 with the pick

    BB killed  potentially, 6-14 with his decision to punt from the 38 twice, because he respected the Balt D and didn't trust the Pats D.

    The Pats D made ZERO RZ stops. Case closed!

     




    the pats d made zero red zone stops because the ravens had an excellent gameplan once talib got injured and they attacked the mismatch of the century which was marquice cole on anquan boldin. obviously they were going to have a HUGE advantage in the red zone with that kind of a mismatch...also the pats made it to the ravens 25 six times, they only scored one TD....so whats more unacceptable, the #1 offense in the league scoring 13 points, or the #10 defense allowing three td's and one td when the pats turned the ball over at midfield? you see the difference in the game is that when the ravens defense made a play, their offense took advantage of it with the points, the pats offense didnt do that. they had the ball at midfield and went 7 yards and punted the ball right back to the ravens....that is awful. if you want to disagree with BB for him choosing to punt, fine....but what had the offense shown him to make him trust they could convert those plays????

     

     




    OK, One more time.  BB respected the Ravens D with good reason and didn't trust his own D with good reason.  Zero RZ stops, Zero picks and Zero fumble recoveries is not a good reason to trust your D, as a Pick, a fumble recovery, and 3 RZ stops is good reason to respect the other D.

     

    All teams punt, the Ravens did, and Flacco wasn't spectacular in fact he was down right poor in the first half, missing throws.  The D did fine up until the half but failed miserably in the second half as usual.

    If Ridley doesn't fumble ( a good Defensive play and gets one yrd into the RZ, it's a completely different game)

    The Ravens made the stops when needed and the Pats D, didn't.

    Defenses win championships!

     




    the offense and defense both stunk in the 2nd half, that i agree on. but when your top rated offense doesnt score a single point after halftime, you cant expect to win, espescially when they are turning the ball over. and yes, it wasnt all on brady, ridley caught the fumbilitis once again which has really held him back from being an elite running back.

     

     




    Well hate to disagree again, but if the D doesn't pizz away a half time lead, you can expect to win games.  Yes it does royally suck that the O couldn't score again but when that happens, you have to have a recourse.   They do not and haven't for years.

     

     




    keep a 6 point lead the whole second half without their top cb playing? cmon, i know you are smarter than that. if the offense had scored another td, you may have a point, but they didnt score at all in the 2nd half. you cant expect the defense to hold on to that slim of a lead the whole second half, espescially when the offense is turning the ball over.

     

     




    A 6 pt. lead, a 9 point lead, a 11 point lead, a 13 point lead, it doesn't matter.

     

    Look at all the losses, with the exception of the 9'rs, (tied in the 4th)  they all have the same ending.

    A lead with seconds or minutes left, it doesn't matter, they all have the same ending.

    And that includes when the O is scoring 30 +

     




    Hey, pinkhat:

     

    Does that ALSO include multiple turnovers by our offense with Brady tossing 2 or 3 INTs?

    Does it?

    They all have the same ending since we switched to a shotgun base spread where our offense DOES JACK SQUAT FOR ENTIRE HALVES, allowing the opponent to crawl back into it.

    I don't care if it's a D with Seymour, Bruschi, Harrison, Samuel, Vrabel, etc, on it or not.

     

     




    It all includes a defense that cosistantly puts up a 100+ DPR and sends every opposing QB to the HOF and gives them huge raises because of their incompetencies and can't hold there own bladders on the field for the past 5-6 years.

     

     




    They made Eli a legend.

     

     



    Not completely; he set a record in 2011 with 15 4th QTR TD passes in the Reg Season and come from behind Ws.

     

     




    Eli has had some good moments. But the biggest thing for him have been the two defensive collapses at the endgame by the Pats' D.

     

     



    did you even watch the other playoff games in 07 and last year? eli was phenomenal!! he outplayed rodgers in lambeau twice, not to mention embarassing matt ryan and the falcons...and also beating the 49ers.....yes, the pats defensive players were out of position on some key plays at the end of those games....but the two plays that were the biggest were really just great plays. eli escapes the sack and then just heaves it to tyree who catches it on his helmet, harrison was actually in position, tyree just made a heck of a play. and the manningham play last year was just a terriffic throw, thats all there is to it. moore and chung were in the play, but eli put it in a spot where only manningham could get it and he did.

     

     



    Namath called it the best throw he's ever seen, equating it to throwing a football 40+ yrds into a Basketball net for a swish; and he made some good throws himself, so I would think he would know.

     



    yes, that throw was ridiculous.....i dont know how you could even blame the defense for that play....championship players make championship plays....eli did on that play. brady used to pre-2007, he doesnt anymore. closest thing he has done to a championship type play was that qb sneak in last years afc title game.

     
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    5 td and 7 ints combined in three home afc title games just isnt getting it done. brady is great and may go down as the best or second best to ever play the game, but to say he hasnt slipped off a bit in the playoffs is just ignorant. people also act like the super bowl defensed of 01-04 were so dominant....yes, they slowed down the rams to a tune of 17 points, but the panthers scored 29 and the eagles scored 21. in the two recent super bowl losses, the giants have scored 17 and 21 points, thats not much of a difference in points allowed from the previous three. also in the afc championship game vs pittsburgh, the defense allowed 27 points, but noone will bring that up.

     




    Spare us the Rusty speak, Rusty Clone. 

     

     

    Despite whatever may have happened in a particular playoff game, the Pats' D fo the good old days was leaps and bounds better than the D of recent years.

    Or are you seriously trying to make a case this mickey mouse club D is as good as they were? Put up or shut up Rusty Clone.




    so i bring up actual facts and you just continue to lay out your terrible insults and punch lines? hey how about you "learn the game".

     
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    What facts? The fact his defense has gone from one of the best early in his career to one of the worst? That fact? I'm not calling you a name. I'm telling a troll that they are a fool if they simply ignore the facts.

     



    The fact that tom lady's numbers in the postseason since his last tainted title are pretty mediocre.

    You are the only fool that continues to ignore this FACT.

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    Show me where it says any Pats' titles are "tainted" troll. Put up or shut up fool.

    Wrong again dufus. Brady's passer rating has been pretty consistent throughout his career in the playoffs. And that includes this year. Made a fool of you again troll. LMAO@U

     
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    .If put into proper perspective it's pretty amazing that they've had sustained success for more than a decade during the salary cap era.

     



    Not all that amazing. Put a MEDIOCRE team around a guy many call the greatest QB who ever lived and you're probably going to make the playoffs just about every time and might come close to winning it all. Put a good team around him and you probably have a dynasty.

     

     




    brady did not play well, i dont know what game you were watching. he was throwing the ball at receiver's feet, forcing the ball into tight spots that werent there....he is lucky he didnt throw 4 int's with how awful he was that game. lloyd and welker made some great catches in that game to make brady's stats look respectable. yes, wes dropped one easy pass that could have changed the game. he also made 4 or 5 catches that only a select few of receivers can make. also, the pats do have a good team around him, the gronkowski injury definitely hurt, but they still had a good o-line, a young and good running game, [ranked 1st in td's], a receiving core that included welker, lloyd, and hernandez....yes i know hern is a TE, but hes really more of a receiver the way they use him. the defense was also a top 10 defense once talib arrived....the defense was playing very well in the first half while talib was out there. once he was injured, they were forced in to putting marquice freakin cole and arrington in coverage, that was the game right there. so i agree they need more good players in the secondary, but besides that, you cant score 13 f.ucking points on offense and blame the defense, its just ignorant.

     

     



    Ya, it sux your boy Ridley personally killed 2 scoring drives and 7-11 points.

     

    TB killed 3-7 with the pick

    BB killed  potentially, 6-14 with his decision to punt from the 38 twice, because he respected the Balt D and didn't trust the Pats D.

    The Pats D made ZERO RZ stops. Case closed!

     




    the pats d made zero red zone stops because the ravens had an excellent gameplan once talib got injured and they attacked the mismatch of the century which was marquice cole on anquan boldin. obviously they were going to have a HUGE advantage in the red zone with that kind of a mismatch...also the pats made it to the ravens 25 six times, they only scored one TD....so whats more unacceptable, the #1 offense in the league scoring 13 points, or the #10 defense allowing three td's and one td when the pats turned the ball over at midfield? you see the difference in the game is that when the ravens defense made a play, their offense took advantage of it with the points, the pats offense didnt do that. they had the ball at midfield and went 7 yards and punted the ball right back to the ravens....that is awful. if you want to disagree with BB for him choosing to punt, fine....but what had the offense shown him to make him trust they could convert those plays????

     

     




    OK, One more time.  BB respected the Ravens D with good reason and didn't trust his own D with good reason.  Zero RZ stops, Zero picks and Zero fumble recoveries is not a good reason to trust your D, as a Pick, a fumble recovery, and 3 RZ stops is good reason to respect the other D.

     

    All teams punt, the Ravens did, and Flacco wasn't spectacular in fact he was down right poor in the first half, missing throws.  The D did fine up until the half but failed miserably in the second half as usual.

    If Ridley doesn't fumble ( a good Defensive play and gets one yrd into the RZ, it's a completely different game)

    The Ravens made the stops when needed and the Pats D, didn't.

    Defenses win championships!

     




    the offense and defense both stunk in the 2nd half, that i agree on. but when your top rated offense doesnt score a single point after halftime, you cant expect to win, espescially when they are turning the ball over. and yes, it wasnt all on brady, ridley caught the fumbilitis once again which has really held him back from being an elite running back.

     

     




    Well hate to disagree again, but if the D doesn't pizz away a half time lead, you can expect to win games.  Yes it does royally suck that the O couldn't score again but when that happens, you have to have a recourse.   They do not and haven't for years.

     

     




    keep a 6 point lead the whole second half without their top cb playing? cmon, i know you are smarter than that. if the offense had scored another td, you may have a point, but they didnt score at all in the 2nd half. you cant expect the defense to hold on to that slim of a lead the whole second half, espescially when the offense is turning the ball over.

     

     




    A 6 pt. lead, a 9 point lead, a 11 point lead, a 13 point lead, it doesn't matter.

     

    Look at all the losses, with the exception of the 9'rs, (tied in the 4th)  they all have the same ending.

    A lead with seconds or minutes left, it doesn't matter, they all have the same ending.

    And that includes when the O is scoring 30 +

     




    Hey, pinkhat:

     

    Does that ALSO include multiple turnovers by our offense with Brady tossing 2 or 3 INTs?

    Does it?

    They all have the same ending since we switched to a shotgun base spread where our offense DOES JACK SQUAT FOR ENTIRE HALVES, allowing the opponent to crawl back into it.

    I don't care if it's a D with Seymour, Bruschi, Harrison, Samuel, Vrabel, etc, on it or not.

     

     




    It all includes a defense that cosistantly puts up a 100+ DPR and sends every opposing QB to the HOF and gives them huge raises because of their incompetencies and can't hold there own bladders on the field for the past 5-6 years.

     

     




    They made Eli a legend.

     

     



    Not completely; he set a record in 2011 with 15 4th QTR TD passes in the Reg Season and come from behind Ws.

     

     




    He also played well against GB on the road.

     

     

    If Brady isn't as poor in the SB, Eli doesn't get to do what he did in the 4th qtr of either SB.

    Absolute truth.

    I apologize on behalf of our pink hats.    They think 13 or 14 points scored in the playoffs is good.  Apparenrtly, it's 1971 as well.

     

     




    Both low scoring low possession games (for both teams) where Brady had the lead up until the last 38 and 57 seconds.  DEFENSIVE FAIL!

     
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    5 td and 7 ints combined in three home afc title games just isnt getting it done. brady is great and may go down as the best or second best to ever play the game, but to say he hasnt slipped off a bit in the playoffs is just ignorant. people also act like the super bowl defensed of 01-04 were so dominant....yes, they slowed down the rams to a tune of 17 points, but the panthers scored 29 and the eagles scored 21. in the two recent super bowl losses, the giants have scored 17 and 21 points, thats not much of a difference in points allowed from the previous three. also in the afc championship game vs pittsburgh, the defense allowed 27 points, but noone will bring that up.

    Rumors abound that the RAMS were reading their press clippings, and were busy partying SB Week, not realizing the force they were going to dealing with. Refer to a recent Damien Woody interview on the Michael Kay show. Never take a game for granted; BB never does.

     



    If you listen to Faulk, Pats cheated, therefore, they partied figuring they'd win the game running away. So, with that mindset, no wonder Faulk feels that way who is now viewed as the kid who constantly yells, "Cheater, Cheater, Cheater" at the other kids when he loses.

     

     
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    did you even watch the other playoff games in 07 and last year? eli was phenomenal!! he outplayed rodgers in lambeau twice, not to mention embarassing matt ryan and the falcons...and also beating the 49ers.....yes, the pats defensive players were out of position on some key plays at the end of those games....but the two plays that were the biggest were really just great plays. eli escapes the sack and then just heaves it to tyree who catches it on his helmet, harrison was actually in position, tyree just made a heck of a play. and the manningham play last year was just a terriffic throw, thats all there is to it. moore and chung were in the play, but eli put it in a spot where only manningham could get it and he did.

     



    Yeah, and Sanchez has nearly the same passer rating in the playoffs as Montana in his 6 games.

    Learn to get out of the cherry picking business to try and make a point Rusty Clone. The big picture always trumps the snapshots you try to use when you spin.

    Nobody is saying Eli hasn't had his shining moments in the playoffs. But don't try to make him out as some awesome post-season QB to try and spin blame away from the Pats' defense.

     
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    .If put into proper perspective it's pretty amazing that they've had sustained success for more than a decade during the salary cap era.

     



    Not all that amazing. Put a MEDIOCRE team around a guy many call the greatest QB who ever lived and you're probably going to make the playoffs just about every time and might come close to winning it all. Put a good team around him and you probably have a dynasty.

     

     




    brady did not play well, i dont know what game you were watching. he was throwing the ball at receiver's feet, forcing the ball into tight spots that werent there....he is lucky he didnt throw 4 int's with how awful he was that game. lloyd and welker made some great catches in that game to make brady's stats look respectable. yes, wes dropped one easy pass that could have changed the game. he also made 4 or 5 catches that only a select few of receivers can make. also, the pats do have a good team around him, the gronkowski injury definitely hurt, but they still had a good o-line, a young and good running game, [ranked 1st in td's], a receiving core that included welker, lloyd, and hernandez....yes i know hern is a TE, but hes really more of a receiver the way they use him. the defense was also a top 10 defense once talib arrived....the defense was playing very well in the first half while talib was out there. once he was injured, they were forced in to putting marquice freakin cole and arrington in coverage, that was the game right there. so i agree they need more good players in the secondary, but besides that, you cant score 13 f.ucking points on offense and blame the defense, its just ignorant.

     

     



    Ya, it sux your boy Ridley personally killed 2 scoring drives and 7-11 points.

     

    TB killed 3-7 with the pick

    BB killed  potentially, 6-14 with his decision to punt from the 38 twice, because he respected the Balt D and didn't trust the Pats D.

    The Pats D made ZERO RZ stops. Case closed!

     




    the pats d made zero red zone stops because the ravens had an excellent gameplan once talib got injured and they attacked the mismatch of the century which was marquice cole on anquan boldin. obviously they were going to have a HUGE advantage in the red zone with that kind of a mismatch...also the pats made it to the ravens 25 six times, they only scored one TD....so whats more unacceptable, the #1 offense in the league scoring 13 points, or the #10 defense allowing three td's and one td when the pats turned the ball over at midfield? you see the difference in the game is that when the ravens defense made a play, their offense took advantage of it with the points, the pats offense didnt do that. they had the ball at midfield and went 7 yards and punted the ball right back to the ravens....that is awful. if you want to disagree with BB for him choosing to punt, fine....but what had the offense shown him to make him trust they could convert those plays????

     

     




    OK, One more time.  BB respected the Ravens D with good reason and didn't trust his own D with good reason.  Zero RZ stops, Zero picks and Zero fumble recoveries is not a good reason to trust your D, as a Pick, a fumble recovery, and 3 RZ stops is good reason to respect the other D.

     

    All teams punt, the Ravens did, and Flacco wasn't spectacular in fact he was down right poor in the first half, missing throws.  The D did fine up until the half but failed miserably in the second half as usual.

    If Ridley doesn't fumble ( a good Defensive play and gets one yrd into the RZ, it's a completely different game)

    The Ravens made the stops when needed and the Pats D, didn't.

    Defenses win championships!

     




    the offense and defense both stunk in the 2nd half, that i agree on. but when your top rated offense doesnt score a single point after halftime, you cant expect to win, espescially when they are turning the ball over. and yes, it wasnt all on brady, ridley caught the fumbilitis once again which has really held him back from being an elite running back.

     

     




    Well hate to disagree again, but if the D doesn't pizz away a half time lead, you can expect to win games.  Yes it does royally suck that the O couldn't score again but when that happens, you have to have a recourse.   They do not and haven't for years.

     

     




    keep a 6 point lead the whole second half without their top cb playing? cmon, i know you are smarter than that. if the offense had scored another td, you may have a point, but they didnt score at all in the 2nd half. you cant expect the defense to hold on to that slim of a lead the whole second half, espescially when the offense is turning the ball over.

     

     




    A 6 pt. lead, a 9 point lead, a 11 point lead, a 13 point lead, it doesn't matter.

     

    Look at all the losses, with the exception of the 9'rs, (tied in the 4th)  they all have the same ending.

    A lead with seconds or minutes left, it doesn't matter, they all have the same ending.

    And that includes when the O is scoring 30 +

     




    Hey, pinkhat:

     

    Does that ALSO include multiple turnovers by our offense with Brady tossing 2 or 3 INTs?

    Does it?

    They all have the same ending since we switched to a shotgun base spread where our offense DOES JACK SQUAT FOR ENTIRE HALVES, allowing the opponent to crawl back into it.

    I don't care if it's a D with Seymour, Bruschi, Harrison, Samuel, Vrabel, etc, on it or not.

     

     




    It all includes a defense that cosistantly puts up a 100+ DPR and sends every opposing QB to the HOF and gives them huge raises because of their incompetencies and can't hold there own bladders on the field for the past 5-6 years.

     

     




    They made Eli a legend.

     

     



    Not completely; he set a record in 2011 with 15 4th QTR TD passes in the Reg Season and come from behind Ws.

     

     




    Eli has had some good moments. But the biggest thing for him have been the two defensive collapses at the endgame by the Pats' D.

     

     



    did you even watch the other playoff games in 07 and last year? eli was phenomenal!! he outplayed rodgers in lambeau twice, not to mention embarassing matt ryan and the falcons...and also beating the 49ers.....yes, the pats defensive players were out of position on some key plays at the end of those games....but the two plays that were the biggest were really just great plays. eli escapes the sack and then just heaves it to tyree who catches it on his helmet, harrison was actually in position, tyree just made a heck of a play. and the manningham play last year was just a terriffic throw, thats all there is to it. moore and chung were in the play, but eli put it in a spot where only manningham could get it and he did.

     

     



    Namath called it the best throw he's ever seen, equating it to throwing a football 40+ yrds into a Basketball net for a swish; and he made some good throws himself, so I would think he would know.

     

     



    yes, that throw was ridiculous.....i dont know how you could even blame the defense for that play....championship players make championship plays....eli did on that play. brady used to pre-2007, he doesnt anymore. closest thing he has done to a championship type play was that qb sneak in last years afc title game.

     



    Brady doesn't have as good a supporting cast; not that I'm defending this wealthy flop, but see Sanchez for an illustration

     
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    Brady doesn't have as good a supporting cast; not that I'm defending this wealthy flop, but see Sanchez for an illustration

     



    A guy who in 11 full seasons has made the playoffs 10 times (90%), the AFCCG 7 (63%) and the Super Bowl (45%) winning 3 of them (27%) is a "flop"?

    You're starting to look a little silly here yankee fan.

     
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    .If put into proper perspective it's pretty amazing that they've had sustained success for more than a decade during the salary cap era.

     



    Not all that amazing. Put a MEDIOCRE team around a guy many call the greatest QB who ever lived and you're probably going to make the playoffs just about every time and might come close to winning it all. Put a good team around him and you probably have a dynasty.

     

     




    brady did not play well, i dont know what game you were watching. he was throwing the ball at receiver's feet, forcing the ball into tight spots that werent there....he is lucky he didnt throw 4 int's with how awful he was that game. lloyd and welker made some great catches in that game to make brady's stats look respectable. yes, wes dropped one easy pass that could have changed the game. he also made 4 or 5 catches that only a select few of receivers can make. also, the pats do have a good team around him, the gronkowski injury definitely hurt, but they still had a good o-line, a young and good running game, [ranked 1st in td's], a receiving core that included welker, lloyd, and hernandez....yes i know hern is a TE, but hes really more of a receiver the way they use him. the defense was also a top 10 defense once talib arrived....the defense was playing very well in the first half while talib was out there. once he was injured, they were forced in to putting marquice freakin cole and arrington in coverage, that was the game right there. so i agree they need more good players in the secondary, but besides that, you cant score 13 f.ucking points on offense and blame the defense, its just ignorant.

     

     



    Ya, it sux your boy Ridley personally killed 2 scoring drives and 7-11 points.

     

    TB killed 3-7 with the pick

    BB killed  potentially, 6-14 with his decision to punt from the 38 twice, because he respected the Balt D and didn't trust the Pats D.

    The Pats D made ZERO RZ stops. Case closed!

     




    the pats d made zero red zone stops because the ravens had an excellent gameplan once talib got injured and they attacked the mismatch of the century which was marquice cole on anquan boldin. obviously they were going to have a HUGE advantage in the red zone with that kind of a mismatch...also the pats made it to the ravens 25 six times, they only scored one TD....so whats more unacceptable, the #1 offense in the league scoring 13 points, or the #10 defense allowing three td's and one td when the pats turned the ball over at midfield? you see the difference in the game is that when the ravens defense made a play, their offense took advantage of it with the points, the pats offense didnt do that. they had the ball at midfield and went 7 yards and punted the ball right back to the ravens....that is awful. if you want to disagree with BB for him choosing to punt, fine....but what had the offense shown him to make him trust they could convert those plays????

     

     




    OK, One more time.  BB respected the Ravens D with good reason and didn't trust his own D with good reason.  Zero RZ stops, Zero picks and Zero fumble recoveries is not a good reason to trust your D, as a Pick, a fumble recovery, and 3 RZ stops is good reason to respect the other D.

     

    All teams punt, the Ravens did, and Flacco wasn't spectacular in fact he was down right poor in the first half, missing throws.  The D did fine up until the half but failed miserably in the second half as usual.

    If Ridley doesn't fumble ( a good Defensive play and gets one yrd into the RZ, it's a completely different game)

    The Ravens made the stops when needed and the Pats D, didn't.

    Defenses win championships!

     




    the offense and defense both stunk in the 2nd half, that i agree on. but when your top rated offense doesnt score a single point after halftime, you cant expect to win, espescially when they are turning the ball over. and yes, it wasnt all on brady, ridley caught the fumbilitis once again which has really held him back from being an elite running back.

     

     




    Well hate to disagree again, but if the D doesn't pizz away a half time lead, you can expect to win games.  Yes it does royally suck that the O couldn't score again but when that happens, you have to have a recourse.   They do not and haven't for years.

     

     




    keep a 6 point lead the whole second half without their top cb playing? cmon, i know you are smarter than that. if the offense had scored another td, you may have a point, but they didnt score at all in the 2nd half. you cant expect the defense to hold on to that slim of a lead the whole second half, espescially when the offense is turning the ball over.

     

     




    A 6 pt. lead, a 9 point lead, a 11 point lead, a 13 point lead, it doesn't matter.

     

    Look at all the losses, with the exception of the 9'rs, (tied in the 4th)  they all have the same ending.

    A lead with seconds or minutes left, it doesn't matter, they all have the same ending.

    And that includes when the O is scoring 30 +

     




    Hey, pinkhat:

     

    Does that ALSO include multiple turnovers by our offense with Brady tossing 2 or 3 INTs?

    Does it?

    They all have the same ending since we switched to a shotgun base spread where our offense DOES JACK SQUAT FOR ENTIRE HALVES, allowing the opponent to crawl back into it.

    I don't care if it's a D with Seymour, Bruschi, Harrison, Samuel, Vrabel, etc, on it or not.

     

     




    It all includes a defense that cosistantly puts up a 100+ DPR and sends every opposing QB to the HOF and gives them huge raises because of their incompetencies and can't hold there own bladders on the field for the past 5-6 years.

     

     




    They made Eli a legend.

     

     



    Not completely; he set a record in 2011 with 15 4th QTR TD passes in the Reg Season and come from behind Ws.

     

     




    Eli has had some good moments. But the biggest thing for him have been the two defensive collapses at the endgame by the Pats' D.

     

     



    did you even watch the other playoff games in 07 and last year? eli was phenomenal!! he outplayed rodgers in lambeau twice, not to mention embarassing matt ryan and the falcons...and also beating the 49ers.....yes, the pats defensive players were out of position on some key plays at the end of those games....but the two plays that were the biggest were really just great plays. eli escapes the sack and then just heaves it to tyree who catches it on his helmet, harrison was actually in position, tyree just made a heck of a play. and the manningham play last year was just a terriffic throw, thats all there is to it. moore and chung were in the play, but eli put it in a spot where only manningham could get it and he did.

     

     



    Namath called it the best throw he's ever seen, equating it to throwing a football 40+ yrds into a Basketball net for a swish; and he made some good throws himself, so I would think he would know.

     

     



    It was a good throw, but Namath is also half drunk half the time. The catch was better, IMO.  At first blush, it looked like no way he had 2 feet down, but he did.

     

    I wish our QB could make good throws like that, still.




    Really?

    TB makes plenty of the hard throws.  PLenty!

    You just never acknowledge  or see them because you're too busy looking for reasons to bash.

     
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    Brady doesn't have as good a supporting cast; not that I'm defending this wealthy flop, but see Sanchez for an illustration

     

     



    A guy who in 11 full seasons has made the playoffs 10 times (90%), the AFCCG 7 (63%) and the Super Bowl (45%) winning 3 of them (27%) is a "flop"?

     

    You're starting to look a little silly here yankee fan.



    Au contraire

     
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    yes, that throw was ridiculous.....i dont know how you could even blame the defense for that play....championship players make championship plays....eli did on that play. brady used to pre-2007, he doesnt anymore. closest thing he has done to a championship type play was that qb sneak in last years afc title game.



    So, if some of those dropped passes by the Pats, for example the dropped pass by Welker in last years' SB, were caught, wouldn't we agree that Brady attempted some throws, if caught, would have been in the lore of Eli's passes?  Think of it.. Welker makes that catch last SB and the Pats win..  folks would talk about that play for a long time.  It is all about the bounces going your way. 

     
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    yes, that throw was ridiculous.....i dont know how you could even blame the defense for that play....championship players make championship plays....eli did on that play. brady used to pre-2007, he doesnt anymore. closest thing he has done to a championship type play was that qb sneak in last years afc title game.

     

    Yup, that DROP by WW just rated #5 on the top 5 SB blunders.

    So, if some of those dropped passes by the Pats, for example the dropped pass by Welker in last years' SB, were caught, wouldn't we agree that Brady attempted some throws, if caught, would have been in the lore of Eli's passes?  Think of it.. Welker makes that catch last SB and the Pats win..  folks would talk about that play for a long time.  It is all about the bounces going your way. 

     




     
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    yes, that throw was ridiculous.....i dont know how you could even blame the defense for that play....championship players make championship plays....eli did on that play. brady used to pre-2007, he doesnt anymore. closest thing he has done to a championship type play was that qb sneak in last years afc title game.

     



    So, if some of those dropped passes by the Pats, for example the dropped pass by Welker in last years' SB, were caught, wouldn't we agree that Brady attempted some throws, if caught, would have been in the lore of Eli's passes?  Think of it.. Welker makes that catch last SB and the Pats win..  folks would talk about that play for a long time.  It is all about the bounces going your way. 

     




    Really, it's about not choking when the championship is in your mitts. Asante. Wes.

    Brady would be 5-0 in the SB over 10 years without those chokes. Fact.

    And the football world would be bowing to him in unison as the GOAT.

     
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    Babe is that guy who gives Brady all the credit for post season wins and blames everyone else when they lose in the post season.

    Pats only scored 13 against the Ravens. Welker had a drop, Ridley fumbled and Brady made some poor decisions. A lot of players played poorly, Brady included. Absolving him from blame just because of his reputation is dumb.

    Defense couldn't get off the field in Super Bowl 46 and Welker dropped a key pass. Brady was at fault for the safety and that heave to a Gronk playing on one ankle which ended up being an INT. Blame Welker for the drop, because he deserves some blame. But if Brady doesn't make his own mistakes, maybe the game wouldn't have come down to those drops.

     

    Quit saying Brady has won 17 playoff games and that his supporting cast lost him 7. We all get that you are a Brady loverboy and will probably stop watching the Pats once he leaves. Brady played a part in the teams early playoff success, and he's also played a part in the teams inability to win the big game in the last 8 years.

     
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    yes, that throw was ridiculous.....i dont know how you could even blame the defense for that play....championship players make championship plays....eli did on that play. brady used to pre-2007, he doesnt anymore. closest thing he has done to a championship type play was that qb sneak in last years afc title game.

     

    Yup, that DROP by WW just rated #5 on the top 5 SB blunders.

    So, if some of those dropped passes by the Pats, for example the dropped pass by Welker in last years' SB, were caught, wouldn't we agree that Brady attempted some throws, if caught, would have been in the lore of Eli's passes?  Think of it.. Welker makes that catch last SB and the Pats win..  folks would talk about that play for a long time.  It is all about the bounces going your way. 

     

     




     

     



    Don't you count the What IFs the other way? Such as ...

     

    The Tuck Rule Game

    Last Yrs Ravens Game

    All the SB Wins were close

    Also, who knows what impact Spygate Had; I'm going to go with little to inconsequential

     

    A win is a win, a loss is a loss; unless a team is getting creamed, outcomes in the NFL are usually decided by mistakes & bounces

     
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     yes, that throw was ridiculous.....i dont know how you could even blame the defense for that play....championship players make championship plays....eli did on that play. brady used to pre-2007, he doesnt anymore. closest thing he has done to a championship type play was that qb sneak in last years afc title game.

     

    Yup, that DROP by WW just rated #5 on the top 5 SB blunders.

    So, if some of those dropped passes by the Pats, for example the dropped pass by Welker in last years' SB, were caught, wouldn't we agree that Brady attempted some throws, if caught, would have been in the lore of Eli's passes?  Think of it.. Welker makes that catch last SB and the Pats win..  folks would talk about that play for a long time.  It is all about the bounces going your way. 

     Don't you count the What IFs the other way? Such as ...

    The Tuck Rule Game

    Last Yrs Ravens Game

    All the SB Wins were close

    Also, who knows what impact Spygate Had; I'm going to go with little to inconsequential

     A win is a win, a loss is a loss; outcomes in the NFL are usually decided by mistakes & bounces



    You are correct nhsteven.. we can what if a lot of stuff.  Like, what if Tyree lost control of the ball on his helmet or Manningham had a foot land out of bounds..  the point here is because the Pats did not get those types of plays, the presumption is there weren't any that could have been game altering plays if they succeeded.  IE - Welker catches the ball or Samuel gets that INT.  A couple other classic examples: The Catch is actually missed by Dwight Clark in the 49'ers game or the Harris shoestring catch is dropped.  It is all about bounces when it comes to difficult plays to succeed as I am not talking about run of the mill stuff.

     
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    Of course we are. And I wouldn't want it any other way.

     
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    Babe is that guy who gives Brady all the credit for post season wins and blames everyone else when they lose in the post season.

     



    Nonsense or outright lies. I give the team credit when they win in the playoffs. I'm the one who constantly says nobody can do it alone.

     
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     yes, that throw was ridiculous.....i dont know how you could even blame the defense for that play....championship players make championship plays....eli did on that play. brady used to pre-2007, he doesnt anymore. closest thing he has done to a championship type play was that qb sneak in last years afc title game.

     

    Yup, that DROP by WW just rated #5 on the top 5 SB blunders.

    So, if some of those dropped passes by the Pats, for example the dropped pass by Welker in last years' SB, were caught, wouldn't we agree that Brady attempted some throws, if caught, would have been in the lore of Eli's passes?  Think of it.. Welker makes that catch last SB and the Pats win..  folks would talk about that play for a long time.  It is all about the bounces going your way. 

     Don't you count the What IFs the other way? Such as ...

    The Tuck Rule Game

    Last Yrs Ravens Game

    All the SB Wins were close

    Also, who knows what impact Spygate Had; I'm going to go with little to inconsequential

     A win is a win, a loss is a loss; outcomes in the NFL are usually decided by mistakes & bounces

     



    You are correct nhsteven.. we can what if a lot of stuff.  Like, what if Tyree lost control of the ball on his helmet or Manningham had a foot land out of bounds..  the point here is because the Pats did not get those types of plays, the presumption is there weren't any that could have been game altering plays if they succeeded.  IE - Welker catches the ball or Samuel gets that INT.  A couple other classic examples: The Catch is actually missed by Dwight Clark in the 49'ers game or the Harris shoestring catch is dropped.  It is all about bounces when it comes to difficult plays to succeed as I am not talking about run of the mill stuff.

     



    What about the Ravens PS game last yr?

     
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    yes, that throw was ridiculous.....i dont know how you could even blame the defense for that play....championship players make championship plays....eli did on that play. brady used to pre-2007, he doesnt anymore. closest thing he has done to a championship type play was that qb sneak in last years afc title game.

     

    Yup, that DROP by WW just rated #5 on the top 5 SB blunders.

    So, if some of those dropped passes by the Pats, for example the dropped pass by Welker in last years' SB, were caught, wouldn't we agree that Brady attempted some throws, if caught, would have been in the lore of Eli's passes?  Think of it.. Welker makes that catch last SB and the Pats win..  folks would talk about that play for a long time.  It is all about the bounces going your way. 

     

     




     

     



    Don't you count the What IFs the other way? Such as ...

     

    The Tuck Rule Game

    Last Yrs Ravens Game

    All the SB Wins were close

    Also, who knows what impact Spygate Had; I'm going to go with little to inconsequential

     

    A win is a win, a loss is a loss; unless a team is getting creamed, outcomes in the NFL are usually decided by mistakes & bounces




    You really shouldn't talk about the tuck rule if you know nothing about it. The Patriots got screwed on that call.

    You make a big deal about the Pats' SB wins being close? How about the Giants' wins?

    Who knows what impact spygate had? How about the NFL? They ruled on it after an investigation and said no competitive advantage was gained. You seem perfectly willing to go bu their authority to make and interpret rules. but deny them the authority to draw a conclusion from their investigation.

    You're just having a bad day posting all around yankee fan.

     
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    yes, that throw was ridiculous.....i dont know how you could even blame the defense for that play....championship players make championship plays....eli did on that play. brady used to pre-2007, he doesnt anymore. closest thing he has done to a championship type play was that qb sneak in last years afc title game.

     

    Yup, that DROP by WW just rated #5 on the top 5 SB blunders.

    So, if some of those dropped passes by the Pats, for example the dropped pass by Welker in last years' SB, were caught, wouldn't we agree that Brady attempted some throws, if caught, would have been in the lore of Eli's passes?  Think of it.. Welker makes that catch last SB and the Pats win..  folks would talk about that play for a long time.  It is all about the bounces going your way. 

     

     




     

     



    Don't you count the What IFs the other way? Such as ...

     

    The Tuck Rule Game

    Last Yrs Ravens Game

    All the SB Wins were close

    Also, who knows what impact Spygate Had; I'm going to go with little to inconsequential

     

    A win is a win, a loss is a loss; unless a team is getting creamed, outcomes in the NFL are usually decided by mistakes & bounces

     




    You really shouldn't talk about the tuck rule if you know nothing about it. The Patriots got screwed on that call.

     

    You make a big deal about the Pats' SB wins being close? How about the Giants' wins?

    Who knows what impact spygate had? How about the NFL? They ruled on it after an investigation and said no competitive advantage was gained. You seem perfectly willing to go bu their authority to make and interpret rules. but deny them the authority to draw a conclusion from their investigation.

    You're just having a bad day posting all around yankee fan.

     



     How could I miss the comments about the Giant Wins?  It's been mentioned thousands of times here. And, my comments were in response to those games. Try to keep up. Also, you seem to fighting with everyone. 

     
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    Pats FANs are just like ReD Sox fans    SPOLIED ROTTEN. Only a SB or WS is good enough now especially for all the new fans since 2000

     
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    So if they want to put an astrict next to the pats superbowl wins do they also want to put an antler next to the Ravens win?

     
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    Re: Bill Parcells says New England is spoiled by the Patriots

    In the Brady Belicheck era the Pats have been to 5 bowls, whether win or lose they have all been decided by small margins in the waning moments of the games.   Brady has been better in some (Carolina) and worse in others (Giants 2007), but the difference is not that large.  To say TB has lost his competive drive is ridiculous.

     

     

     
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