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    [QUOTE]bruschi seems to be looking for chad to have a year something like moss did in 2007.. if not he considers him a bust.   its been a big season of change for chad, even tougher without the time in camp. at this point he should be starting to get it and contribute more which it looks like he's starting to. imo he's going to continue to improve and have a breakout game very soon. 
    Posted by kjfitone[/QUOTE]

         As for Chad, I feel kind of bad for the guy. I believe he's really trying to assimilate into the offense. Have you noticed how he's knocked off the tweets, and has kept a low profile?

         I don't believe his problem to be that he can't learn the offense. His problem is that he's a 33 year old WR with diminished skills, trying to compete in a younger man's game.
     
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    [QUOTE]As much as I don't like the Jets I don't believe they're done. Last year they were 11-5 and could have been 9-7,8-8. But they kicked our butts in the playoff so I disagree with Teddy on that one.
    Posted by jaytf25[/QUOTE]

         I tend to agree. It's too early to put a sheet over their heads and pray that they RIP. But, it's obvious to me that they are not the same team that they were last year. Their "D" isn't as formidable...as evidenced by their problems stopping the run. Their RBs, aside from Greene, stink. Their WRs, aside from Holmes, stink. Their OL is still very good...but paper thin, as evidenced by what happened when Nick Mangold went down. Mark Sanchez is no Tom Brady. He needs a better supporting cast of RBs and WRs to be effective. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Biting Comments By Bruschi : I'm not sure about that.  Even Reiss, the most cautious, conservative reporter out there has pointed out some obvious Ocho deficiencies.  For example, the fact that he frequently doesn't even know where to line up.  Forget routes, this guy isn't even at the point where he can line up correctly each and every play.  It was irrational for fans to dump on Ocho after 1 or 2 games.  With every week, those fans become less and less irrational. That said, I think he's starting to make some very timely plays.  I do think he will get better, but he is definitely not going to be a Moss.  He's looking like he might become a Gaffney.  That's OK, but with his signing bonus he gets over $6M to play this year.  He came in with high expectations.  My best guess is that at the end of the year we'll say he got better, was an ok contributor, but was waaaaay overpaid.  It pains me that Chad is making much more than Welker this year.
    Posted by carawaydj[/QUOTE]

         Excellent post...I tend to agree, though I still believe that most of his problems relate to his diminished skills, at age 33. Great point about how it's unfortunate that he's making more money than the Wild, Wild Wes. But, that will be rectified at the end of the season.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Biting Comments By Bruschi : There never WAS a Manning Brady debate.  The Clots don't have a team, the Pats do.  Peyton was the difference because they tilted the whole affair to his particular talents, and didn't have a good back up.  The Patriots, NOT being stupid, make sure they at least have a decent back up.  Manning is good.  But for the amount of time he has been in the league, he is only ONE RING GOOD.
     
    RESPONSE: One highly tainted ring good...that was ripped off from Tom Brady by the refs in the 2006 AFC title game.

    So, no debate.  You lose.

    RESPONSE: This clown is still whining about Manning being the better QB?? Of course, what else does he have to talk about these days? LOL!!
         Polian surrounded Manning with the best offensive weapons money could buy throughout his career. This is why the Colts never had much of a defense, and weren't a very deep team. Now, without Manning, these deficiencies became glaring. Brady had to make do with less...and didn't have the advantage of playing the great majority of his games in domes, or fair weather sights...to pad his stats.

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Biting Comments By Bruschi : Isn't it more about the FO decisions of both franchises than about Brady/Manning? You need to reread this part: '' But one mistake I recognize is bringing Kerry Collins in; that's still puzzling to me. He was clearly retired , and this type of start for them was inevitable due to Collins' lack of knowledge in this offense. I would have gone with Curtis Painter from the beginning. '' What Tedy is saying is that the Colts FO(Irsay, Polian, Caldwell) all put their heads together and came up with the cockamaymee idea of taking a guy who is 57 years old out of long retirement(Collins), with no knowledge of the system and out of playing shape, and start him in favor of Painter. This has to be one of the dumbest moves in history. When Brady went down the next man in was Cassel and when Gomer went down it should have been next guy in line, a few seasons into the system Painter. Major FO FAIL . Slick front office you got there in Indy who also waited for the season ticket holders to pay out before announcing Gomer was likely out for the year. This is not a Brady/Manning issue.
    Posted by PatsRfineIn09[/QUOTE]

         Don't waste your time trying to reason with this knot-head. Drop a bucket full of logic on him, and it eludes him, like water through a sieve.
     
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    [QUOTE]As much as I don't like the Jets I don't believe they're done. Last year they were 11-5 and could have been 9-7,8-8. But they kicked our butts in the playoff so I disagree with Teddy on that one.
    Posted by jaytf25[/QUOTE]

         It's Wednesday, and Jets' beat-writers are still dissecting the loss to the Patriots...LOL!!

         Actually, this is a pretty good analysis on the game:
    http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2011/10/a_look_back_at_the_jets_30-21.html
     
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    I for one am somewhat satisfied by Ocho's contribution. We tend to only look at stats, catches/yards, but what we don't see is what he is doing for branch, welker and gronk by being on the field. I never expected him to put up welker numbers, but if he can just average something like 5-7 cathces a game, maybe in the 70 yard range, that is all we need. So, not overly elated, he's got room to produce more, but he's done okay.

    On Dallas....this could be a tough game. If we can effectively pass block against Dallas front 7, I think we eat their secondary alive. They have a terrible secondary that Tom should be able to exploit IF he has some time to do so.
    The run mixed in well this week will be another key ingredient in the win, regardless of Dallas being the top 4 rush D or not.
     
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    [QUOTE]     Check out these comments by Cool Bru: 1.) On Chad Ochocincho: "I'm not going to call him a lost cause, but it's close. The Patriots have the bye after the Dallas game, and if he's still having problems after that, then it would be time to reassess his value to the team."; 2.) On Albert Haynesworth and the Pats "D": "Right now, Albert Haynesworth  looks like he's far from being in midseason form. A back injury for a defensive lineman can be a serious deal. When you see him cramping on the field while he's playing in a rotational basis, that speaks volumes about his conditioning. This team needs Haynesworth to contribute. On the Patriots' defense, I'm going to temper any excitement until after this Cowboys game."; 3.) On BJGE: "As long as Green-Ellis and Stevan Ridley  are playing the way they are, you won't see much from Shane Vereen. That's what you want as a Patriots fan. Ridley is a good changeup, but I've said this for weeks: Green-Ellis is your workhorse. Did you see how he carried Sione Pouha into the end zone? That is the difference between BJGE and the two rookies: the lower-body strength and the ability to carry defenders for that much-needed final yard."; 4.) On the NY Jets: "As of right now, I think they're done. With reports of dissention in the locker room, there have been two weeks in this three-game losing stretch where they have been beaten by their own game. The Raiders pounded them with Darren McFadden , and the Patriots outrushed them 152 yards to 97. There is still time for them, but with the emergence of Buffalo, they are on the outside looking in. It is a real possibility they miss the playoffs."; 5.) On the crumpling of the Manningless Colts: "Unfortunately (for them) it seems like Peyton is the difference. When Tom Brady went down, and Matt Cassel came in, we took it upon ourselves to show we were still a good football team even without Brady. We won 11 games. I believe the Colts players have that type of pride also. But one mistake I recognize is bringing Kerry Collins in; that's still puzzling to me. He was clearly retired, and this type of start for them was inevitable due to Collins' lack of knowledge in this offense. I would have gone with Curtis Painter from the beginning."; 6.) On the Dallas Cowboys: "Dallas has the third ranked pass offense in the NFL...the...edge goes to Dallas, especially with Miles Austin  returning from a hamstring injury. Dez Bryant will be a go. He should be healthy from that quad injury. (Jason) Witten leads the team in almost every important category, and the guy can block...on the Patriots' defense, I'm going to temper any excitement until after this Cowboys game...Witten is better than (Antonio) Gates...I would make Tony Romo  try to complete passes to his receivers. While those receivers are dangerous too, one pass to those receivers is one fewer pass to Witten, and those are often easier passes over the middle of the field."      "Overall, this next week will be a different beast, as you're looking at the No. 1 defense against the run. They're the fourth ranked defense in yards. And they come in with a pass offense that can move the ball in the air. The Cowboys' defensive coordinator is Rob Ryan, so it will be a game where the Patriots' offensive coaches will have to sideline adjust against Ryan and his complex schemes. Should be a big test." http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/7084366/bruschi-tap-how-much-patriots-defense-improved
    Posted by TexasPat3[/QUOTE]


    Preach Tedy!

    maybe now some will see what Ive been saying...The film dont lie.  Even Vince took a shot at his teamate Big Al for not being in shape.  I mean he has been here 3 months and gets cramps after playing 3 snaps!?!?!  and you guys still wanna wait on this guy like Jesus???  bwah-ha-hahhhh
     
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    Loved Tedy as a player....  Now he's doing a different job for a different organization with it's own axes to grind for its own reasons.  Interesting to read his opinions but that's what they are, informed opinions from a guy who understands the game.  He does not always get it right and neither do we.  So he's kind of like us. However, his forum has only his posts.  And so it goes.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Biting Comments By Bruschi : Isn't it more about the FO decisions of both franchises than about Brady/Manning? You need to reread this part: '' But one mistake I recognize is bringing Kerry Collins in; that's still puzzling to me. He was clearly retired , and this type of start for them was inevitable due to Collins' lack of knowledge in this offense. I would have gone with Curtis Painter from the beginning. '' What Tedy is saying is that the Colts FO(Irsay, Polian, Caldwell) all put their heads together and came up with the cockamaymee idea of taking a guy who is 57 years old out of long retirement(Collins), with no knowledge of the system and out of playing shape, and start him in favor of Painter. This has to be one of the dumbest moves in history. When Brady went down the next man in was Cassel and when Gomer went down it should have been next guy in line, a few seasons into the system Painter. Major FO FAIL . Slick front office you got there in Indy who also waited for the season ticket holders to pay out before announcing Gomer was likely out for the year. This is not a Brady/Manning issue.
    Posted by PatsRfineIn09[/QUOTE]

    Rfine - I don't think your comment is wrong, but Bruschi said many things with his comments.  So while, per your perspective, he may have been commenting on the FO's, his supporting points said other things as well.  Like - I guess Manning was the difference.  Like - we won 11 games without Brady. 

    His comments very much considered the Manning/Brady debate, and as I have said all along.  When pundits attribute team wins to individual greatness, as many have with Brady, it shortchanges all of those teammates that also had a hand in the game.  If I were Bruschi, when the "Tom Brady's great because he has 3 rings" comments are made, I would be quick to say, "you know I also had a hand in those wins". 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Biting Comments By Bruschi : There never WAS a Manning Brady debate.  The Clots don't have a team, the Pats do.  Peyton was the difference because they tilted the whole affair to his particular talents, and didn't have a good back up.  The Patriots, NOT being stupid, make sure they at least have a decent back up.  Manning is good.  But for the amount of time he has been in the league, he is only ONE RING GOOD.  So, no debate.  You lose.
    Posted by Davedsone[/QUOTE]

    I think you are right, there never should have been, but once pundits started attributing Brady's greatness to the superbowl wins (as you do), it happened.  Brady's done more recently to measure himself effectively with Manning than he did when he was was on those Supebowl winning teams. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Biting Comments By Bruschi : A lot of us said the exact same thing at the time and Undies was looking for support from his buddies here asking "don't you think Collins was a good pick up?" Undies struggles with certain football concepts. Always has, always will. He was also absent yesterday when the Jets caught filming our sideline story came out. Hmm.
    Posted by RidingWithTheKing[/QUOTE]

    LOL - you make the dumbest comments sometimes. 

    As for the Jets thing.  Go do a little research, boy.  I was the second person to comment on the very first thread on the subject.  Time to remove you face from Belichick's taint.
     
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    maybe it wasn't that comment that was dumb. 

    And, the collins move, imo, was only bad in hindsight.  As I have said many times (although I also said I wanted Painter to get a shot), Painter didn't prove himself in the preseason, so the Colts thought they better get someone that was an NFL caliber starter.  It's not as if Collins was in retirement for 2 years.  Further they tried for Hasselbeck but couldn't do the deal. 

    At the time there really weren't other options available. 
     
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    Is that what he said?  Do you know that?  He was playing for the Titans who were jerking him around with awful Vince Young and the owner was feuding with the coach.  It wasn't exactly the best place to play. 

    Further, Collins said something to the effect that playing for the colts offered him the unique opportunity to find out how Manning did things.  Plus he had relationships with both Polian and Caldwell. 

    As for getting it, if you mean that I don't "get" what you get, you are right.  I don't get you at all.  Logic, reason, and rationality which are foreign to you are the cornerstones of my comments. 
     
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    Wrong again Kingo.  I was wrong about Collins because I didn't think it was a bad move given Painter's problems in the preseason.  that said, I still wanted to see painter get a real shot. 

    what i said is that hindsight is easy.  Everyone can look back now and say, bad idea, but I understood why they did it even if I wish they hadn't.  Its like the belichick 4th and 2 or spygate.  You get why he did it, but after the fact, you realize that they really weren't great decisions. 

    Here are collins direct comments:  "The biggest draw for me coming here was just being with a team that I have a lot of respect for and a lot of history with, and really to be with a great team and play with one of greatest quarterbacks of all time."

     
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    [QUOTE]You have such a hard time simply saying " I was wrong". It's so pathetic.  Lance Painter stinks and clearly hadn't developed in the system and now Collins coming in was a good move because he wanted to see how Gomer worked. My god.
    Posted by RidingWithTheKing[/QUOTE]

         You've dealt with The Dog(gggg) long enough to know that he'll never admit to being wrong. He'll either try to lie his way out of it...misrepresent what was said, or mis-direct the conversation. Because I've tired of his childish ways, I've place him on ignore. Perhaps you should do the same, Russ. He's not worth your time.
     
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    [QUOTE]Well, why didn't they just trade for Orton or just make a contingency move before this GOmer thing got to the point where they lost leverage to even have to be in this position? This is what you aren't admitting to right now. The reason is, the Colts don't want to "broadcast" how bad off Gomer is.  It's widely speculated that Gomer went to Europe, got bad news from specialists there, and he'll never play again. The Colts KNEW this last year.  Knew it. They arrogantly bragged how they'd pay Gomer more than Brady regardless of Brady's deal, and didn't do ANYTHING to deal with this contigency. FAIL Just admit this and move on.  You keep trying to spin. Enough.
    Posted by RidingWithTheKing[/QUOTE]

    1.  Why trade for a "long term" QB when you expect your QB back?  In fact, why do a trade at all if someone you think is capable is available without it? 

    2.  Manning had the first procedure (not the fusion) before the 2010 season and played all season with it.  Before key players started dropping like flies, Manning was looking like an MVP again (first 4-5 games) in 2010.  Thus, there seemed to be no reason to think he couldn't be ready after the having the procedure again.  Manning also said that the lockout affected his ability to have the proper rehab/therapy with people he trusted who also worked for the colts.  Without knowing his feelings, I'd imagine that the probably wanted to work with those people before doing anything else (getting the second surgery - the fusion).  That leaves the colts in a bit of limbo.   

    3.  The colts must have had some suspicion about Manning, because they said they tried to get Hasselbeck.  After losing him and seeing Painter not work out in the preseason, they called Collins.  If you want to say the colts botched something, that's your preogative and fandom.  I understand their decisions.  I also accept that Collins didn't work out.  Further, I am happy that it appears Painter (while no starter) is filling in effectively. 

    4.  Finally, I everyone is free to speculate on Manning's future, because its in the future.  The truth is that no one (and likely not even Manning) knows whether or not he will be able to come back.  If his surgery was a simple fusion, then it is not uncommon to have and to come back from: 

    from an NFL.com interview with a neurologist: 

    Manning doesn’t seem to be in unchartered territory. Is that fair to say?
    This is a pretty common surgery in professional and NFL players and they do better than what many people think. I’ve heard people say it’s really hard to get back from a neck injury, how if you have surgery you don’t come back, but that’s simply not true. I think Peyton, being the stalwart that he is, playing the position that he does, has a very, very good

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Biting Comments By Bruschi :  .....that leads me to this: Why doesn't Branch get criticism in the Buffalo game for no catches or targets for that matter? Why are we solely focusing on Ochocinco? Where is the uproar over Hernandez always being dinged up and dropping a TD pass? ...
    Posted by RidingWithTheKing[/QUOTE]

    I would say this is why:

    1. Branch and Hernandez have proven themselves with the Pats.  They have both had big games where they were big contributors; Branch of course has had far more such games.  Ocho hasn't yet had a single game that stands out.  Granted, many more games to go.  An old commander of mine explained to me his "chit theory".  Every time you do something good you can put a chit in your pocket.  Every time you do something bad you take 2 chits out.  As long as you have chits in your pocket you are good to go.  Branch and Hernandez have accumulated a lot of chits.  Ocho's pockets are empty.  There are no chits in them.....yet.

    2. Ocho simply came in with high expectations.  When he was traded, most of us here expected him to at least be as good as Branch.  At least the people on this board did.  Still too early to say he won't, but as each week passes the whole "missed OTA's, offseason, etc." argument becomes harder and harder to say.

    I've actually been encourage with his recent games.  He's done a decent imitation of your typical Gaffney game; don't make a bunch of catches but the catches he makes tend to be timely and needed.  Even if he slowly progresses week by week he will be a contributor in the playoffs.  As you point out, his skills are likely diminished.  He can still contribute though if he learns the offense.  In that regard I think he's making Gaffney look like a genius.
     
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