Boise State OLB Shea McCellin

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    I was listening to Mike Mayock talk the kid he is 6'4 260 lb. and ran 4.63 40-time with a second round grade possibly late first round. But what made me think of the Pats is that he said he reminds him of Mike Vrabel and the word VERSATILITY. Mayock continued to say he's a great pass rusher and a smart kid. And as the highlights played one stuck out it was against a option offense where the QB was pitching the ball to the RB and McCellin dove and knocked the ball out the air forcing the fumble so I instantly thought of Tebow and the Jets.
     
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    [QUOTE]I was listening to Mike Mayock talk the kid he is 6'4 260 lb. and ran 4.63 40-time with a second round grade possibly late first round. But what made me think of the Pats is that he said he reminds him of Mike Vrabel and the word VERSATILITY. Mayock continued to say he's a great pass rusher and a smart kid. And as the highlights played one stuck out it was against a option offense where the QB was pitching the ball to the RB and McCellin dove and knocked the ball out the air forcing the fumble so I instantly thought of Tebow and the Jets.
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         I heard that, too. McClellin is an ascending player, who Mayock compared to Mike Vrabel. Mayock has moved him up te second (2nd) on his list of top five available OLBs: http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d827a70e8/article/draft-positional-rankings-pro-days-influence-player-stocks  
     
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    We've been talking about McClellin a lot. He is a very Vrable type of player. He has great versatility being able to line up in a 3 point or 2 point stance, set back, on in the MLB position. Also, a very smart kid. The thing about that much versatility comes a good all around player who doesn't excel in one specific aspect. He has pass rushing ability, he can set the edge, and he can on occasion drop back but he won't be the impact player in any of those roles. He's like an Nin that can perform on day 1. Personally I want a pass rushing specialist where that's where they excel (ala Mercilus, Curry) or an interior presence (Reyes, Brockers, Wolfe) first and foremost. But, McClellin is a BB type of player and is less of a risk because of versatility then a pass rushing specialist. I also want a little more diversity given Nin has developed into a similar player to what McClellin provides. Now if BB takes him I'd have zero issue with it and think it's a great pickup, but I'd also want an impact rusher in the draft too. McClellin is more like a Mayo type of player who's extremely solid and makes plays on a consistent basis but might not be considered an impact player (ala Barwin, Reed, Matthews, Watt)
     
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    Comparing Shea to Mayo is a really bad comparison as Mayo is an impact player. I would say Shea is more like a Ninkovich. Someone that can rush off the edge or drop back but if someone gets their hands on him its more than likely him ending up in the dirt.

    I just think the whole comparison even to Mike Vrabel is off base as well. Hes not that strong at the point of attack on film, lucky hes not getting blown up when running side line to sideline and I just really don't think hes the overall player you want to be saying "Lets add him to the mix and get this thing going on D".

    Better guys to take and hes going to be gone at this point by the time we pick. Anyone who says this guy is a Belichick pick needs to shore up more on this guy. 
     
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    THere's another kid that plays along the defensive line in front of McClellin that will go relatively high in the draft as well.I can't remember his name...he's a defensive tackle. I like McClellin, but agree with PatsEng - he seems like a smart, solid guy that may not be an impact type. 
     
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    [QUOTE]Comparing Shea to Mayo is a really bad comparison as Mayo is an impact player. I would say Shea is more like a Ninkovich. Someone that can rush off the edge or drop back but if someone gets their hands on him its more than likely him ending up in the dirt. I just think the whole comparison even to Mike Vrabel is off base as well. Hes not that strong at the point of attack on film, lucky hes not getting blown up when running side line to sideline and I just really don't think hes the overall player you want to be saying "Lets add him to the mix and get this thing going on D". Better guys to take and hes going to be gone at this point by the time we pick. Anyone who says this guy is a Belichick pick needs to shore up more on this guy. 
    Posted by Pancakespwn[/QUOTE]

    Mayo is not an impact player. He makes a ton of tackles but in the areas you typically associate impact players with (ints, fum, sacks) he just isn't a player most O coaches have to game plan around. That's not a knock on Mayo as he is an incredibly solid pro-bowler that just makes the plays he is suppose to make. That makes him extremely valuable and a player you want to build around but he is not an impact player. Impact players aren't always pro-bowlers or even starters for that matter. Impact players are named so because you can count on them to make a play that is a game changing play or give you he oppotunity to make that play a couple times a game. But, that also doesn't mean that they are consistent players either as sometimes specialist (like pass rushers) aren't affective on every down. Mayo is a consistent play maker which add tremendous value, as I think McClellin would be an a consistent play maker, but that also doesn't mean that they consistent make impact plays either. Honestly, on a team you need both. You need consistency for 95% of the game but that 5% where an impact play is felt could mean the difference between winning or losing a tight game and Mayo doesn't consistent make that impact play. It's why a lot of people, including experts, feel that the Pats are missing that impact player whether it be a starter or a situational guy (Carter was the closests thing to an impact player last year for reference)

     
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    McClellin would be a different player than Mayo, more versatile and more capable of big plays, but not as singularly talented at one thing (covering ground and making tackles in the middle of the field) as Mayo is.

    I'd say the Nink comparison is more accurate, but he'll be better than Nink. Nink is 2 iches shorter and runs a 4.8 40, not a 4.63. He was a 5th rd pick DE convert where McClellin is rated in the 35-50 range and has played 4-5 positions in the front 7 and shows great instincts and smarts.

    I'd prefer Hightower slip to us at 31 (or even 27), but if we were going to get only ONE player to play LBer out of the draft, I'd rather trade down in the 35-45 range to take Shea, than reach at 31 or wait for the pickings at 48 for a hybrid type who may never get our offense and be another Cunningham.
     
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    Alright let me explain the Mayo comparison because I don't think I was very clear on it.

    What I meant by he is that like Mayo, McClellin would be a very solid player that does his job, is in the position he needs to be, and makes the plays that he needs to make. But much like Mayo he's an has good-great abilities across the board but is a master of none. He will get some ints, force some fumbles, get pressure on the QB from time to time but he won't blow you away in any category (maybe tackles). What he'll be best at is keeping the play in front of him and making sure it doesn't get behind him, much like Vrabel was in his day (~5 sacks, ~1.5ints, ~2FF a year on average). 
     
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    Over at the draft thread it seems like I have assumed the position of resident Mclellin apologist. I have been high on him since November of 2011 and I strongly disagree with opinions that cast him as a mere solid role player type. He is much more than that. He can cover like a safety. Watching Boise State games, I saw him on more than one occasion ran step by step downfield with a WR, Completely Blanket a TE  down the seam and cover passes to RB on fly and flat routes. Like most of you, I have been watching this game for a long time and I can honestly say that there is no current 3-4 OLB in the NFL as accomplished in coverage as Mclellin already is. For those who said he doesnt excel in any one area, this is one category where I disagree with you.

    Regarding pass rush potential, some will look at his sacks and immediately jump to the conclusion that since he doesnt have 14 sacks that he is mediocre in that department. However, take into account that Boise played him a good amount of snaps as an ILB and 4-3 OLB due to his good instincts in zone and fluidity in man coverage thus reducing his pass rush opportunities. Inspite of this, he finished with 10 in 2010 and 8 in 2011. Pro Football Focus has a stat they use in the Pros where they measure how effective a player is in generating pressure per pass rush opportunity. I would be curious to see where he would measure in such a stat for college players.

    Finally as regards play making potential, Greg Cossell who is pretty well respected for his film study, recently compared McClellin to uber playmaker Clay Matthews. He believes McClellin will have the same potential down the road. I happen to agree with him for all the reasons listed above.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Boise State OLB Shea McCellin : Mayo is not an impact player. He makes a ton of tackles but in the areas you typically associate impact players with (ints, fum, sacks) he just isn't a player most O coaches have to game plan around. That's not a knock on Mayo as he is an incredibly solid pro-bowler that just makes the plays he is suppose to make. That makes him extremely valuable and a player you want to build around but he is not an impact player. Impact players aren't always pro-bowlers or even starters for that matter. Impact players are named so because you can count on them to make a play that is a game changing play or give you he oppotunity to make that play a couple times a game. But, that also doesn't mean that they are consistent players either as sometimes specialist (like pass rushers) aren't affective on every down. Mayo is a consistent play maker which add tremendous value, as I think McClellin would be an a consistent play maker, but that also doesn't mean that they consistent make impact plays either. Honestly, on a team you need both. You need consistency for 95% of the game but that 5% where an impact play is felt could mean the difference between winning or losing a tight game and Mayo doesn't consistent make that impact play. It's why a lot of people, including experts, feel that the Pats are missing that impact player whether it be a starter or a situational guy (Carter was the closests thing to an impact player last year for reference)
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Boise State OLB Shea McCellin : Mayo is not an impact player. He makes a ton of tackles but in the areas you typically associate impact players with (ints, fum, sacks) he just isn't a player most O coaches have to game plan around. That's not a knock on Mayo as he is an incredibly solid pro-bowler that just makes the plays he is suppose to make. That makes him extremely valuable and a player you want to build around but he is not an impact player. Impact players aren't always pro-bowlers or even starters for that matter. Impact players are named so because you can count on them to make a play that is a game changing play or give you he oppotunity to make that play a couple times a game. But, that also doesn't mean that they are consistent players either as sometimes specialist (like pass rushers) aren't affective on every down. Mayo is a consistent play maker which add tremendous value, as I think McClellin would be an a consistent play maker, but that also doesn't mean that they consistent make impact plays either. Honestly, on a team you need both. You need consistency for 95% of the game but that 5% where an impact play is felt could mean the difference between winning or losing a tight game and Mayo doesn't consistent make that impact play. It's why a lot of people, including experts, feel that the Pats are missing that impact player whether it be a starter or a situational guy (Carter was the closests thing to an impact player last year for reference)
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    Impact players are named so because you can count on them to make a play that is a game changing play or give you he oppotunity to make that play a couple times a game. But, that also doesn't mean that they are consistent players either as sometimes specialist (like pass rushers) aren't affective on every down. Mayo is a consistent play maker which add tremendous value, as I think McClellin would be an a consistent play maker, but that also doesn't mean that they consistent make impact plays either

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    I guess Emmit Smith wasn't an impact player because he almost NEVER made any single plays that were "game changing".

    ...Just play after hohum play of 4.5 yards.  

    Get a clue dude.  BB will take a consistent player over an up and down "play maker" any day of the week... And twice on Sunday's.


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Boise State OLB Shea McCellin : Mayo is not an impact player. He makes a ton of tackles but in the areas you typically associate impact players with (ints, fum, sacks) he just isn't a player most O coaches have to game plan around. That's not a knock on Mayo as he is an incredibly solid pro-bowler that just makes the plays he is suppose to make. That makes him extremely valuable and a player you want to build around but he is not an impact player. Impact players aren't always pro-bowlers or even starters for that matter. Impact players are named so because you can count on them to make a play that is a game changing play or give you he oppotunity to make that play a couple times a game. But, that also doesn't mean that they are consistent players either as sometimes specialist (like pass rushers) aren't affective on every down. Mayo is a consistent play maker which add tremendous value, as I think McClellin would be an a consistent play maker, but that also doesn't mean that they consistent make impact plays either. Honestly, on a team you need both. You need consistency for 95% of the game but that 5% where an impact play is felt could mean the difference between winning or losing a tight game and Mayo doesn't consistent make that impact play. It's why a lot of people, including experts, feel that the Pats are missing that impact player whether it be a starter or a situational guy (Carter was the closests thing to an impact player last year for reference)
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    Impact players are named so because you can count on them to make a play that is a game changing play or give you he oppotunity to make that play a couple times a game. But, that also doesn't mean that they are consistent players either as sometimes specialist (like pass rushers) aren't affective on every down. Mayo is a consistent play maker which add tremendous value, as I think McClellin would be an a consistent play maker, but that also doesn't mean that they consistent make impact plays either

    ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
    I guess Emmit Smith wasn't an impact player because he almost NEVER made any single plays that were "game changing".

    ...Just play after hohum play of 4.5 yards.  

    Get a clue dude.  BB will take a consistent player over an up and down "play maker" any day of the week... And twice on Sunday's.


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Boise State OLB Shea McCellin : Impact players are named so because you can count on them to make a play that is a game changing play or give you he oppotunity to make that play a couple times a game. But, that also doesn't mean that they are consistent players either as sometimes specialist (like pass rushers) aren't affective on every down. Mayo is a consistent play maker which add tremendous value, as I think McClellin would be an a consistent play maker, but that also doesn't mean that they consistent make impact plays either ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? I guess Emmit Smith wasn't an impact player because he almost NEVER made any single plays that were "game changing". ...Just play after hohum play of 4.5 yards.   Get a clue dude.  BB will take a consistent player over an up and down "play maker" any day of the week... And twice on Sunday's.
    Posted by mar10[/QUOTE]

    During Smith's best years (91'-95') he averaged more 20+ runs then Foster, AP, Jackson, and MJD

    He also averaged a TD per game. 

    If you don't consider that impact then you really have no clue huh. Not to mention that 4.5ypc average given the amount of carries per game average would put him in the top 3 RB's in ypc even with today's RB's.

    Seriously know some history about a position before making a clueless comment please
     
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    [QUOTE]THere's another kid that plays along the defensive line in front of McClellin that will go relatively high in the draft as well.I can't remember his name...he's a defensive tackle. I like McClellin, but agree with PatsEng - he seems like a smart, solid guy that may not be an impact type. 
    Posted by mthurl[/QUOTE]

    crawford?
     
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    to me mclellin's strongest quality = consistently high effort all the time
     
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    [QUOTE]Over at the draft thread it seems like I have assumed the position of resident Mclellin apologist. I have been high on him since November of 2011 and I strongly disagree with opinions that cast him as a mere solid role player type. He is much more than that. He can cover like a safety. Watching Boise State games, I saw him on more than one occasion ran step by step downfield with a WR, Completely Blanket a TE  down the seam and cover passes to RB on fly and flat routes. Like most of you, I have been watching this game for a long time and I can honestly say that there is no current 3-4 OLB in the NFL as accomplished in coverage as Mclellin already is. For those who said he doesnt excel in any one area, this is one category where I disagree with you. Regarding pass rush potential, some will look at his sacks and immediately jump to the conclusion that since he doesnt have 14 sacks that he is mediocre in that department. However, take into account that Boise played him a good amount of snaps as an ILB and 4-3 OLB due to his good instincts in zone and fluidity in man coverage thus reducing his pass rush opportunities. Inspite of this, he finished with 10 in 2010 and 8 in 2011. Pro Football Focus has a stat they use in the Pros where they measure how effective a player is in generating pressure per pass rush opportunity. I would be curious to see where he would measure in such a stat for college players. Finally as regards play making potential, Greg Cossell who is pretty well respected for his film study, recently compared McClellin to uber playmaker Clay Matthews. He believes McClellin will have the same potential down the road. I happen to agree with him for all the reasons listed above.
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    So he's better than Nink?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Boise State OLB Shea McCellin : So he's better than Nink?
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    Yes. I love Nink, McClellin is already better. Think of him as a cross between Vrabel, Matthews and Bruschi in terms of pass rush potential, coverage ability and football smarts/instincts. 

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Boise State OLB Shea McCellin : Yes. I love Nink, McClellin is already better. Think of him as a cross between Vrabel, Matthews and Bruschi in terms of pass rush potential, coverage ability and football smarts/instincts. 
    Posted by speedster81[/QUOTE]

    Well you can't say that he's better until he actually plays but he's got the potential to be better. He's taller, faster, seems to be around the ball more often, can drop back into coverage. But, that is in college. We'll have to wait until he hits a pro field to tell anything but he is a very Vrablesct style of player
     
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    Well if Kiper is projecting him for the Pats, then... he wn't be on the team next year. Damn, I really liked McClellin and Wolfe both
     
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    PatsEng, First, I put absolutely no stock in Kiper. I have never seen Wolfe projected in round one, and there is no way he sniffs round 1 unless someone reaches big time. I like Wolfe, but prefer him end of round 2 or round 3. If not McClellin in this draft for the pats, I am almost sure in terms of gut they will grab either McClellin, branch, curry, upshaw, Lewis. I think this is the year they decide to pull the trigger on a potential impact olb. I like all of them for us . Perhaps, perhaps the pats will take Wolfe in round 1 like Kiper predicts. Odds are against it. However they did reach about 2 rounds too soon on Cunningham so anything is possible.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Boise State OLB Shea McCellin : Mayo is not an impact player. He makes a ton of tackles but in the areas you typically associate impact players with (ints, fum, sacks) he just isn't a player most O coaches have to game plan around. That's not a knock on Mayo as he is an incredibly solid pro-bowler that just makes the plays he is suppose to make. That makes him extremely valuable and a player you want to build around but he is not an impact player. Impact players aren't always pro-bowlers or even starters for that matter. Impact players are named so because you can count on them to make a play that is a game changing play or give you he oppotunity to make that play a couple times a game. But, that also doesn't mean that they are consistent players either as sometimes specialist (like pass rushers) aren't affective on every down. Mayo is a consistent play maker which add tremendous value, as I think McClellin would be an a consistent play maker, but that also doesn't mean that they consistent make impact plays either. Honestly, on a team you need both. You need consistency for 95% of the game but that 5% where an impact play is felt could mean the difference between winning or losing a tight game and Mayo doesn't consistent make that impact play. It's why a lot of people, including experts, feel that the Pats are missing that impact player whether it be a starter or a situational guy (Carter was the closests thing to an impact player last year for reference)
    Posted by PatsEng[/QUOTE]

    eng thanks for clarifying that for folks.
    this has been my contention as well re mayo.
     
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