Brady 10-0 in playoffs then 6-6 since

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    Re: Brady 10-0 in playoffs then 6-6 since

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    We have a great QB.  There is nobody I would rather have.  That said, let's not pretend like he's played as well in the playoffs of late.  But as stated by someone above, this is a team sport.  I attribute many of his subpar games to the game plan; both ours and our opponents.  His performances have merely been a symptom of greater problems.  For example, no outside deep threat?  Just crowd the box.  Can't run too well?  Don't respect it.  Those weaknesses are going to be amplified in the playoffs.  Oh, and the Pats still haven't figured out how to play well when teams can generate any pressure without blitzing.  Maybe it's fair to ask if Brady could do a better job in those situations.  Is he elite when under pressure with no blitz?  We know he can tear up teams pressuring him using the blitz.

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    Generally Brady's playoff performances have been "good" if not spectacular for the most part in recent years. The problem has been the lack of anybody else doing much to help and he just hasn't played well enough to carry the whole team on his back.

    One turnover from the D in the last 2 SBs when they had 8 in the 3 before doesn't help him much. Anemic running by our backs in both the SB losses didn't help much either.

    He's probably not going to win the Lombardi on his own. I don't think anybody ever has.

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    Brady is a great QB, and won't win won on his own, but do you truly believe he's been mostly "good" for these playoff games?

    in his last 12, , '05 Divisional, '06 Divisional, '07 AFC Championship, '09 Wild Card, '11 AFC Championship were bad performances

    '06 AFC championship, '07 Super Bowl, '10 Divisional, 11 Super Bowl I would say were so-so games. He didn't play bad, but I wouldn't characterize his performances as good either.

    '06 Wild Card,  '07 Divisional, '11 Divisional were good.

    Now, he wasn't the only one that player games in his bad games nor was he the only player that played well in his good games. '10 divisional, Crumpler certainly dropped an easy TD pass.

    I can go on and on, but there are plenty of examples. When the oline plays well, people say Brady was great. When the Oline struggles, Brady did no wrong, his oline failed him. OR even his defense failed him.

    Everyone also wants to say the defense has let Brady down too much. That defense bailed him out in those games against the chargers, and that championship game against the Ravens. I even thought they did a good job in Super Bowl 42 considered they held the opposition only to 17 points, potentially only 10 if Tyree doesn't make that catch.

     

    It works both ways. Brady apologists make it seem like Brady has been perfect in the playoffs, and that every loss is the fault of some of his other teammates. Brady is the best player on this team and a top 5 player in the entire league, but that does not make him mistake-prone.

     

    The biggest concern for me is that Brady has only had three clear cut good games in his last 12 playoff matchups. Those 3 games were against teams that the Patriots were just leaps and bounds better than. I'd argue that Brady hasn't had an excellent game against a worthy foe since the 2004 game against the Steelers.

     

    Hopefully he goes on a tear this postseason. But I'm not going to absolve Brady from any blame just because he's the best player this franchise has ever had. He's allowed to have bad games too

     
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    In those 12 games he has not had 2 good games in a row. Can he string 3 good games in a row this year to win it all?

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    Talk about denial....Im a Pats fan but a realist. You Pats fans know that Brady a has 5 game PICK streak in the playoffs?

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    I know since 2007 Brady has a 2/1 TD/INT ratio in playoff games other than the Raven's fiasco in 2009. You know, the one where Welker was out and the Ravens shot to a 24 zip lead in the 1st quarter and we threw the gameplan out the window?

     

     

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    They still played the game didn't they? You can't just take out that game as if it did not happen. Are you going to take out the '11 Divisional game aswell? You know, the one where the Bronco's offense consistently gave they Pats good field position where Brady only had two TD drives of over 70 yards and the Bronco's got down pretty big and practically threw the gameplan out the window?

     
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    So the Pats D caused Bradys 16 INTs in those 12 games?

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    Talk about denial....Im a Pats fan but a realist. You Pats fans know that Brady a has 5 game PICK streak in the playoffs?

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    Talk about denial....Im a Pats fan but a realist. You Pats fans know that Brady a has 5 game PICK streak in the playoffs?

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    I know since 2007 Brady has a 2/1 TD/INT ratio in playoff games other than the Raven's fiasco in 2009. You know, the one where Welker was out and the Ravens shot to a 24 zip lead in the 1st quarter and we threw the gameplan out the window?

     

     

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    They still played the game didn't they? You can't just take out that game as if it did not happen. Are you going to take out the '11 Divisional game aswell? You know, the one where the Bronco's offense consistently gave they Pats good field position where Brady only had two TD drives of over 70 yards and the Bronco's got down pretty big and practically threw the gameplan out the window?

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    Yeah, they played the game. Just like Brady has played 22 career playoff games and won 16 of them.

    If somebody wants to parse the last 12 why am I off base noting that since 2007 he has overall played just fine except for one game? Can only certain people select a chunk of something to make a point?

     

     
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    Talk about denial....Im a Pats fan but a realist. You Pats fans know that Brady a has 5 game PICK streak in the playoffs?

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    TROLL TROLL TROLL Not Pats fan TROLL

     

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    Looks to be true. What Pats' fan would use the term "You Pats fans"?

     

    Could just be another fake Rusty account. The guy is like a festering infection here. The mods have injected the place with penicillin on him a dozen times but he's a persistent contamination.

     
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    In those 12 games he has not had 2 good games in a row. Can he string 3 good games in a row this year to win it all?

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    he's not a troll he's a major league d*ick

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    His name is Rusty you spell that ccsjl Rusty, biggest troll on the board, we should ask the Mods to put a Rust Removal Button on here.

     
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    Talk about denial....Im a Pats fan but a realist. You Pats fans know that Brady a has 5 game PICK streak in the playoffs?

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    TROLL TROLL TROLL Not Pats fan TROLL

     

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    Looks to be true. What Pats' fan would use the term "You Pats fans"?

     

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    Just Rusty being Rusty what can you do!

     
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    Talk about denial....Im a Pats fan but a realist. You Pats fans know that Brady a has 5 game PICK streak in the playoffs?

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    I know since 2007 Brady has a 2/1 TD/INT ratio in playoff games other than the Raven's fiasco in 2009. You know, the one where Welker was out and the Ravens shot to a 24 zip lead in the 1st quarter and we threw the gameplan out the window?

     

     

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    They still played the game didn't they? You can't just take out that game as if it did not happen. Are you going to take out the '11 Divisional game aswell? You know, the one where the Bronco's offense consistently gave they Pats good field position where Brady only had two TD drives of over 70 yards and the Bronco's got down pretty big and practically threw the gameplan out the window?

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    Yeah, they played the game. Just like Brady has played 22 career playoff games and won 16 of them.

    If somebody wants to parse the last 12 why am I off base noting that since 2007 he has overall played just fine except for one game? Can only certain people select a chunk of something to make a point?

     

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    True. One is not more or less off base than the other. I hear ya

     
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    Montana was 4-3 in CCGs and 9-7 in divisional games. Fetus Head is 9-10 in the playoffs.

     

    Give Brady a defense like when he was 10-0 and that 6-6 might look a whole lot better.

     

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    Give Manning or Montana those defenses and they would have been 10-0, too. 

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    Patriots D ranks in SB winning years in terms of scoring were 6, 1 and 2

    Manning had a 2nd ranked scoring D in 2005 and a 1st ranked in 2007 and a 7th ranked in 2008.  The result?  3 one and dones.  That's almost 10-0.  Right?

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    In 2010, the pats had the #1 ranked O by points and the 8th ranked D.  They were one and done at home by a team they beat by 42 points late in the season. 

    Sometimes great offenses help disguise weak defenses. 

    In 2009, the pats had the #5 ranked defense in points allowed.  They were one and done at home by a team they'd beaten previously in the season. 

     
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    Montana was 4-3 in CCGs and 9-7 in divisional games. Fetus Head is 9-10 in the playoffs.

     

    Give Brady a defense like when he was 10-0 and that 6-6 might look a whole lot better.

     

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    Give Manning or Montana those defenses and they would have been 10-0, too. 

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    Patriots D ranks in SB winning years in terms of scoring were 6, 1 and 2

    Manning had a 2nd ranked scoring D in 2005 and a 1st ranked in 2007 and a 7th ranked in 2008.  The result?  3 one and dones.  That's almost 10-0.  Right?

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    In 2010, the pats had the #1 ranked O by points and the 8th ranked D.  They were one and done at home by a team they beat by 42 points late in the season. 

    Sometimes great offenses help disguise weak defenses. 

    In 2009, the pats had the #5 ranked defense in points allowed.  They were one and done at home by a team they'd beaten previously in the season. 

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    Which in what way changes Father of Stay Puft's one and dones? You like to sling mud, but never can tabulate your own greatness as an argument. Even assuming what you say is true, the Pats have three trophies to point at for their trouble. Gomer only has one, and the paltry reasons he got that one were that he played the Chiefs (the Chiefs?) at home in the WC round, Ray Lewis tipped a sure interception out of the chest of his own teammate in the divisional round that completely changed the course of the game, you got lucky on that Faulk 4th and 2 play in the AFCCG because it started on the wrong side of the 2:00 warning and thus was not eligible for review, and you didn't play anyone else worth making note of. The Bears? They weren't going to beat anyone. That was one of the weakest PS groupings in NFL history. In fact, Horsehead's whole performance that entire PS was little more than MEDIOCRE, and he got away with it because of who he happened to play against.

     
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    In 2010, the pats had the #1 ranked O by points and the 8th ranked D.  They were one and done at home by a team they beat by 42 points late in the season. 

    Sometimes great offenses help disguise weak defenses. 

    In 2009, the pats had the #5 ranked defense in points allowed.  They were one and done at home by a team they'd beaten previously in the season. 

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    Which in what way changes Father of Stay Puft's one and dones? You like to sling mud, but never can tabulate your own greatness as an argument. Even assuming what you say is true, the Pats have three trophies to point at for their trouble. Gomer only has one, and the paltry reasons he got that one were that he played the Chiefs (the Chiefs?) at home in the WC round, Ray Lewis tipped a sure interception out of the chest of his own teammate in the divisional round that completely changed the course of the game, you got lucky on that Faulk 4th and 2 play in the AFCCG because it started on the wrong side of the 2:00 warning and thus was not eligible for review, and you didn't play anyone else worth making note of. The Bears? They weren't going to beat anyone. That was one of the weakest PS groupings in NFL history. In fact, Horsehead's whole performance that entire PS was little more than MEDIOCRE, and he got away with it because of who he happened to play against.

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    this rant is so petty it's really pathetic

     
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    Give us a reason he can't?

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    cuz, lately, he hasn't

     
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    We as non-professional football players, we will never know how tuff it is to win a Superbowl. Winning multiple SB's is a tremendous feat. Let's pray the Pats do well in the next 3 weeks and enjoy the greatness we are expriencing w/  Brady and Belicheck leading this team. We just don't know how long this magic carpet ride is going to last.

     

    Go Pats!

     
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    In 2010, the pats had the #1 ranked O by points and the 8th ranked D.  They were one and done at home by a team they beat by 42 points late in the season. 

    Sometimes great offenses help disguise weak defenses. 

    In 2009, the pats had the #5 ranked defense in points allowed.  They were one and done at home by a team they'd beaten previously in the season. 

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    Which in what way changes Father of Stay Puft's one and dones? You like to sling mud, but never can tabulate your own greatness as an argument. Even assuming what you say is true, the Pats have three trophies to point at for their trouble. Gomer only has one, and the paltry reasons he got that one were that he played the Chiefs (the Chiefs?) at home in the WC round, Ray Lewis tipped a sure interception out of the chest of his own teammate in the divisional round that completely changed the course of the game, you got lucky on that Faulk 4th and 2 play in the AFCCG because it started on the wrong side of the 2:00 warning and thus was not eligible for review, and you didn't play anyone else worth making note of. The Bears? They weren't going to beat anyone. That was one of the weakest PS groupings in NFL history. In fact, Horsehead's whole performance that entire PS was little more than MEDIOCRE, and he got away with it because of who he happened to play against.

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    this rant is so petty it's really pathetic

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    Haha, yeah, kinda sounds like some of your rants. I watch and learn. Furthermore, youre saying that Fetus Head wasnt mediocre that PS? Look at the numbers pal, they dont lie. You saying the Pats DONT have theee trophies and that Gomer has more than one? Are you saying that Ray Lewis DIDNT tip a sure INT out of his own teammates hands? You saying the the Bears didnt have a lousy offense? You saying that Faulk's play might not have been overturned on a review? Youre the one who's pathetic. Everyone on this board knows it. Nice attempt at a cool one liner though.

     
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    Brady is the best Patriots quarterback of all time, arguably the best NFL quarterback of all time. There is no other quarterback I would take over Tom Brady, but it is the performance of 53 guys that determines wins and losses. He did not go 10-0 in his first 10 playoff games, the Patriots as a team went 10-0 in those games, and the Patriots as a team have gone 6-6 since. I seem to remember Drew Bledsoe coming into one of those playoff games and having a hand in the victory. I remember a blocked punt that was returned for a touchdown in that same game. I remember Ty Law returning a pick for a TD in the first Super Bowl win. I remember Rodney Harrison sealing the third Super Bowl with an interception. I remember Adam Vinatieri making two huge kicks vs the Raiders in the snow, and drilling a 47 yarder to win the first super Bowl. I remember Tom running an incredibly efficient, if somewhat boring, dink-and-dunk offense and handing the ball off a lot during that first Super Bowl run. The offense, the defense and special teams all played a big part in the 10-0 streak, as they have in the 6-6 streak since then. Add in coaching and game planning. And injuries. Can we just stop the Brady went 10-0 and Brady has gone 6-6 since??

     
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    So Im now a Troll for pointing out that in Bradys first 10 playoff games which he won, he had 14 TDs and 3 picks. Since winning his last SB championship he is 6-6 in playoffs with 24 TDs and 17 picks, and currently has a streak of 5 playoff games with at least 1 pick......Some of you should check your facts...

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00/gamelog/post/

     
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    Brady is the best Patriots quarterback of all time, arguably the best NFL quarterback of all time. There is no other quarterback I would take over Tom Brady, but it is the performance of 53 guys that determines wins and losses. He did not go 10-0 in his first 10 playoff games, the Patriots as a team went 10-0 in those games, and the Patriots as a team have gone 6-6 since. I seem to remember Drew Bledsoe coming into one of those playoff games and having a hand in the victory. I remember a blocked punt that was returned for a touchdown in that same game. I remember Ty Law returning a pick for a TD in the first Super Bowl win. I remember Rodney Harrison sealing the third Super Bowl with an interception. I remember Adam Vinatieri making two huge kicks vs the Raiders in the snow, and drilling a 47 yarder to win the first super Bowl. I remember Tom running an incredibly efficient, if somewhat boring, dink-and-dunk offense and handing the ball off a lot during that first Super Bowl run. The offense, the defense and special teams all played a big part in the 10-0 streak, as they have in the 6-6 streak since then. Add in coaching and game planning. And injuries. Can we just stop the Brady went 10-0 and Brady has gone 6-6 since??

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    Excellent post!

     
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    In those 12 games he has not had 2 good games in a row. Can he string 3 good games in a row this year to win it all?

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    Isnt it more fair to say "the team" has been 6-6 since?  you know because when our whole defense retired within a couple years that kind of rocked the boat. Brady has been the same and better year after year but without a defense,, he feels the pressure in big games to be perfect and score every drive and this leads to him pressing. ANy other analogy and purely off base, hate or ignorance and cant be proven. His numbers have only gotten better but in postseason he plays againt the best team and they ALL put ALL the focus on  him. NO run game and defense will do that....smh   WOW!

     

    This whole board has subconsciously turned into a Brady Bashing Carnival!  Im done...I'll come back after the season to re- asess.

     
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    Montana was 4-3 in CCGs and 9-7 in divisional games. Fetus Head is 9-10 in the playoffs.

     

    Give Brady a defense like when he was 10-0 and that 6-6 might look a whole lot better.

     

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    Give Manning or Montana those defenses and they would have been 10-0, too. 

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    You can't rebuild both the offense and the defense at the same time in the cap era. To me that's been the main problem. After the 3 SBs we started getting old on both sides of the ball. Add some players moving on as other teams offered them juicy contracts and you should be able to understand why we've fallen short. Also add that the better we are the further down the draft board we go.

    However even short we still field a team every season that can contend with the league's best. No other team in the cap era has been more consistant from year to year.

     

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