Brady and the Deep Ball (Serious Discussion)

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    Re: Brady and the Deep Ball (Serious Discussion)

    Sounds like a porn title.

     
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    Re: Brady and the Deep Ball (Serious Discussion)

    In response to patsfan76's comment:

    Lets trade for Tebow! I heard he is pretty accurate with his deep ball

     




    At least we wouldn't have to worry about passing 40 times a game, the key to every one of our meaningful losses the past 8 years.  Tebow in NY was purely for marketing reasons.  BB could get some serious production from him.  There was a reason why McDaniels took him in the first round.

     
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    Re: Brady and the Deep Ball (Serious Discussion)

    I am the hardest of die hard Patriot fans. Since the days of Plunket and Gorgan, as a fan I've endured my miserable Mondays. But it is what it is Tom is losing something with either age or commitment. I'm not one to guess or understand why, but the guy throwing the ball has alot to do with why some completions are not there.

    If there is an issue I would imagine BB is going to talk with him about it and work on the appropriate corrections.

    We finally have a defense, TE/receivers, and running game. This is the balance we needed. Not we just need Brady to be Brady.

     
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    Re: Brady and the Deep Ball (Serious Discussion)

    In response to DelGriffith's comment:
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    And I don't care if this is some kind of a taboo thing either. Tired of the board bullies here who have a sick disease known as man love for athletes.

    He underthrew LLoyd who got behind Peterson and he missed Gronk who almost made a great catch. 

    People keep babbling about a deep threat, but if our QB can't hit these even some of the time, the D is not going to put a lot of stock in the deep part of the field because they don't have to.

    It's a MAJOR problem, especially with the use of playaction.  I get his QB coach passed away, but someone needs to work with him on these. The trajectory on a lot of his deep balls are off.  Watch some film, see what you're doing wrong and fix it. IMO, he waits too long to see if he has the play, where he should be just letting the WR run under it, throwing it sooner.

     

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    Rusty,

    No doubt the deep ball is not TB's bread and butter but I think at least part of the issue is he has happy feet now because the OL can't protect him and he is rushing everything and not able to step into his throws.

    Quote from Ray Horton - Arizona's Def Coordinator:

    As a recurring theme throughout the game, the Cardinals' interior presence of Dockett and Calais Campbell, as well as their perimeter speed up front gave the Patriots' offensive line fits all day. Cardinals defensive coordinator Ray Horton said after the game that being disruptive in the interior of the line was part of the game-plan, "The guys up front, we challenged our guys up front to win the game for us. When you look at their team (Patriots) and their salary and their structure, their (Patriots) superstars are their outside guys and our guys are inside. So we said we needed another big week from our inside guys and they did. I almost didn’t blitz at all." Dockett's and Campbell's unique combination of explosiveness and length make them a particularly tough duo to match up against.

     

    Same strategy used by the Giants and the Ravens. Attack the Patriots up the middle and don't allow Brady to step up into the pocket. Force him to roll out to either side or get rid of the ball quickly. Since Brady can't run to save his life, the Patriots need to fix the middle of that offensive line. Signing Waters and moving Connolly back to center when he's ready would fix a lot of these issue. Bedard already reported that the issue. is at least partly money related with Waters and implied that if the Patriots gave Waters a more equitable contract based on his 2011 performance Water would likely already be here. I think if Brady had better protection his accuracy would improve significantly.

     

     



     

     
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    Re: Brady and the Deep Ball (Serious Discussion)

    Brady has the fifth most touchdown passes of all time, the best touchdown to interception ratio of all time, the best winning percentage of all time.  He has the record for the most touchdown passes in one year.  He threw to both Moss, who has the most touchdown receptions in a season, and Gronkowski, who has the most touchdowns by a TE for a season.  His teams have scored more than 500 points in a season three times.  Only one other team, the Greatest Show on Turf, has matched that record.  But he is not perfect.  Because he is not perfect, he is a bum.  It is time to get rid of him and replace him with one of the innumerable perfect quarterbacks just waiting to take his place. 

     
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    Re: Brady and the Deep Ball (Serious Discussion)

    In response to patsfan76's comment:

    Like Parcells used to say, "its not you can dail 1=800- get a quarterback"

     

    Who would you rather have then Brady Rusty? I thought you liked running anyways, why you concerned with how he throws the deep ball? What do we throw it once a game deep???

     




    Without a doubt Cassel could do better with all of the weapons that BB has put together for this offense. 

     
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    I will admit to being a staunch homer,kool aid drinker, what ever you wish to call it but I also have a realistic side that is starting to realize a possible problem with Brady's speed and touch. When the many good recievers on the team are developing a higher percentage of drops that have hit them in the hands and body, or do not make the catch that is within reach (should be catchable), or just out of reach (over thrown) on the longer throws, you have to look at the one common factor, Brady. It may be possible that in an effort to increase controll and accuracy, he may be inreasing velocity and loseing touch. If he has noticed a reduction of accuracy due to his mechanics and is trying to compensate by increaseing velocity, he will lose that touch on the passes that use to make all his recievers look great. Now one may say that NFL quality recievers should all be capable of hauling in those bullet passes, but reality says that the increased difficulty will increase the drops. Rather than laying those passes into the reciever catch zone, he is attempting to rifle them in, increaseing the difficulty of the catch. Now the recievers may not be telling Brady, figureing they should catch any thing within reach, and I doubt Brady is useing the same velocity in practice, makeing the problem less visable. So in the games it looks like every one is missing the easy catches, when in reality the difficulty of the catches is made much more difficult by excess velocity....

     
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    Re: Brady and the Deep Ball (Serious Discussion)

    I actually thought Brady was a very good deep ball thrower.  Maybe he's lost something. 

    Regardless, I know that I would get frustrated because Manning would always throw at least one deep ball a game even if the timing didn't seem right and there appeared to be little chance of it connecting.  Over time, I figured there was a method to the madness.  Manning was simply putting the D on notice that this could happen so they'd better play honest going forward. 

    Maybe that's what Brady's doing. 

    Finally, Russ you calling anyone else a bully is as hypocritical a statement as you've made. 

     
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    Re: Brady and the Deep Ball (Serious Discussion)

    If Brady's reported lack of accuracy on the deep ball is age related, I still think this offense has enough going for it make a deep playoff run.  I don't see Brady's play as a huge negative.  He's still a top echelon player and will be a major reason for this team's success or lack therof. We are very spoiled in what we expect from our QB.

    I remember the days when Moss was catching bombs and the criticism at the time was that Brady-to-Moss bombs wasn't going to win the Pats a Superbowl when it mattered.  We all know the rest.  Neither of those teams gets near a superbowl without Brady and with Cassell or Hoyer running the show in my opinion.  And despite a pass happy offense, those teams were minutes away from two more SB wins.   

     

     
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    Re: Brady and the Deep Ball (Serious Discussion)

    In response to stewart7557's comment:

     

    In response to DelGriffith's comment:

    And I don't care if this is some kind of a taboo thing either. Tired of the board bullies here who have a sick disease known as man love for athletes.

    He underthrew LLoyd who got behind Peterson and he missed Gronk who almost made a great catch. 

    People keep babbling about a deep threat, but if our QB can't hit these even some of the time, the D is not going to put a lot of stock in the deep part of the field because they don't have to.

    It's a MAJOR problem, especially with the use of playaction.  I get his QB coach passed away, but someone needs to work with him on these. The trajectory on a lot of his deep balls are off.  Watch some film, see what you're doing wrong and fix it. IMO, he waits too long to see if he has the play, where he should be just letting the WR run under it, throwing it sooner.

     

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    Rusty,

    No doubt the deep ball is not TB's bread and butter but I think at least part of the issue is he has happy feet now because the OL can't protect him and he is rushing everything and not able to step into his throws.

    Quote from Ray Horton - Arizona's Def Coordinator:

    As a recurring theme throughout the game, the Cardinals' interior presence of Dockett and Calais Campbell, as well as their perimeter speed up front gave the Patriots' offensive line fits all day. Cardinals defensive coordinator Ray Horton said after the game that being disruptive in the interior of the line was part of the game-plan, "The guys up front, we challenged our guys up front to win the game for us. When you look at their team (Patriots) and their salary and their structure, their (Patriots) superstars are their outside guys and our guys are inside. So we said we needed another big week from our inside guys and they did. I almost didn’t blitz at all." Dockett's and Campbell's unique combination of explosiveness and length make them a particularly tough duo to match up against.

     

    Same strategy used by the Giants and the Ravens. Attack the Patriots up the middle and don't allow Brady to step up into the pocket. Force him to roll out to either side or get rid of the ball quickly. Since Brady can't run to save his life, the Patriots need to fix the middle of that offensive line. Signing Waters and moving Connolly back to center when he's ready would fix a lot of these issue. Bedard already reported that the issue. is at least partly money related with Waters and implied that if the Patriots gave Waters a more equitable contract based on his 2011 performance Water would likely already be here. I think if Brady had better protection his accuracy would improve significantly.

     

     



     

     



    Good post. Real football rather than the ersatz nonsense that some of our resident geniuses spout.

     
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    Re: Brady and the Deep Ball (Serious Discussion)

    Brady is not a deep ball thrower anymore. He has lost that touch. Most likely shoulder related. His costly (underthrow) in last yrs SuperBowl to Gronk was more evidence. So, the Pats need to continue to stick with what he still does great. Shorter passes. Hopefully they have another decent QB in the works(wings) because Brady I also think is headed slightly downhill.

     
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