Brady Contract Matter Nothing to Sweat Over

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    I totally agree about points #1 and #2;

    1. Kraft would have to be a fool to let TB walk and Bob Kraft is nobody's fool.
    2. Mankins however, may be one. What school of negotiation teaches that you should burn bridges by insulting the owner during contract talks? Buh-bye Logan. Just sad that we lose our best Olineman over what amounts to peanuts in the world of NFL salaries.
     
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    Mankins could have been offered a 5 year $100 million contract, but if it was a heavily back loaded contract with only $3 mill guaranteed and another $3 million payable in the first 2 years then the overall number is worthless. 
    Posted by underdoggggg


    A valid point that has been hammered into the ground endlessly on this board. Without details, that $35 million could just as easily be a box of powdered cinnamon donuts. What puzzles me about the Mankins situation are the arbitrary potshots he has taken at Kraft, and all this nonsense about a man's word being his bond. The Pats did what they said they would do, and Mankins is choosing not to acknowledge that. How he thinks this is going to increase his trade value or expedite contract negotiations with a new team (if a trading partner can be found) is beyond puzzling to me.

     
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    The Patriots gave Wilfork a 5 year $40 million contract $25 million guaranteed
    The Patriots gave Bodden a 4 year $22 million contract $10 million guaranteed
    It stands to reason Mankins was offered somewhere close to Wilfork's deal.
     
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    The Patriots gave Wilfork a 5 year $40 million contract $25 million guaranteed The Patriots gave Bodden a 4 year $22 million contract $10 million guaranteed It stands to reason Mankins was offered somewhere close to Wilfork's deal.
    Posted by digger0862


    Perhaps, digger, but as far as importance to the 53 is concerned, a nose tackle in a 3-4 defense is far more valuable than an offensive guard.
     
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    In Response to Re: Brady Contract Matter Nothing to Sweat Over : Perhaps, digger, but as far as importance to the 53 is concerned, a nose tackle in a 3-4 defense is far more valuable than an offensive guard.
    Posted by NY-PATS-FAN4

    True NY, that's why it was shocking the patriots offered 5 years $35 million.
    Equally shocking was that Mankins rejected it and insulted the organization.
     
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    I am sure that Tom Brady does not like not having the security of a long term contract with guaranteed money.  Same goes for our center Nick Mangold.  One thing that Tom has over Nick is that Tom's wife is the bread winner in that family.  Either way, I dont think this is the way that teams commit to their long term plans with players by making them play out the last year of a contract.

    Off topic, how bout that World Cup game today!  USA USA USA!!!!!!
     
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    In Response to Re: Brady Contract Matter Nothing to Sweat Over : Clearly he doesn't think they did what they said they would do.  Technically, maybe, but if that contract offer was a POS then legitimately they did not.  That said, I'll agree that he's likely done himself more harm than good.  And yes I have posted umpteen times (as have some others) that the offer may not be "fair", but that hasn't stopped people using the offer as a reason to trash Mankins.  
    Posted by underdoggggg


    Gee doggiedo!  We all appreciate your apparent support of one of our players. Your analysis is clear and focused on the betterment of the morale of our team. Good for you!
     
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    It should also be pointed out that Mankins has yet to counter the Pats offer, according to multiple reports. 
     
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    This is most likely a nonstory.  Not even worth the post time!
     
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    In Response to Re: Brady Contract Matter Nothing to Sweat Over :      Yes. In fairness to Mankins, we don't know how much of the 5 year, $35mil. offered was guaranteed. But, based on the content and tone of his remarks, it's my guess that Mankins' ego was bruised because he wasn't offered a similar deal to that of Saints' OG, Jahri Evans.      But, when you consider that some think that Evans is the best player on his team , it's no small wonder that he was rewarded so handsomely: http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2009/08/guard_jahri_evans_was_a_steal. html .      The 26 year old Evans got a 7 year, $56.7mil. deal, with $19mil. guaranteed: http://www.saintsgab.com/2010/05/05/saints-and-og-evans-come-to-terms-on-a-7-year-deal/      That averages out to $8.1mil. per season over 7 years...while the 28 year old Mankins was offered $7mil. over 5 years. So...Evans' is two years younger, and gets a contract two years longer...making $1.1mil.  more per season. Assuming that the guaranteed money is about $4mil. less, it would appear that there's room to continue negotiations. But, if the Pats made a firm offer...perhaps that could explain, but not excuse, Mankins' boorish behavior.      Is Mankins as good a player as Evans? Is an OG worth such huge money? Thoughts, anyone?     
    Posted by TexasPat3


    With all the rules changes over the past decade that have overturned the entire history of football to make this a passing league I think one consideration is how important is a guard to the passing game? Also how important is it to have lineman who can pass block versus run block? Indy showed that you don't need a running game to get to the SB and that superior pass blocking trumps great run blocking a la Miami. So my question again is how important is having a great versatile guard in the new flag football passing league? Is it still cost effective to keep a guy who can run and pass block? How does the position of guard fit into the National Finesse League long term? In the Pats offense I don't see a running game this year so maybe they just get a pass block specialist to keep Brady upright. I don't think Mankins will play at all this year so they have to do something.
     
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