Brady Criticized by Pats Fans

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    TB is being criticized as being self centered, petulant and refusing to spend the time necessary to bring his young receivers along. As mentioned by Mazz in the article below, this is not the Patriot Way. What does all this mean? Is this a temporary response to the frustration of having too much on his shoulders? Is it symptomatic of something bigger: Brady has become too self important to himself? Your thoughts? What needs to change?


    Tom Brady is the greatest player in the history of the New England Patriots, a quarterback so accomplished we compare him to Joe Montana. But as Brady heads into the final years of his career, we cannot help but wonder if he has now inherited a little bit of Dan Marino, too

    The Patriots are still on course following a 34-27 victory over the Washington Redskins Sunday, and we can continue to debate where the team is headed this season with a defense of castoffs and misfits. New England is in a nip-and-tuck affair with Baltimore and Houston for the top two spots in the AFC playoff field, and the Patriots will claim one of the top two seeds if they win their three remaining games.

    In the meantime, maybe it’s time to wonder if the Patriots are becoming as Brady-centric off the field as they are on it.

    Sorry folks, but there is no defending Brady for the outburst directed at offensive coordinator Bill O’Brien on the sideline in the fourth quarter Sunday. Had Randy Moss pulled the same stunt, we would have spent much of yesterday burying him for such petulance.

    Brady threw a horrendous interception in the end zone on a pass intended for Tiquan Underwood when he could have sealed a victory, then went to the sideline and threw a tantrum to go along with it.

    Tom Brady vs. Tiquan Underwood. Now there’s a fair fight. One man has three Super Bowl rings and more than 39,000 career passing yards while the other has 10 career catches and not a single touchdown. Who’s Brady going to blame next, Stephen Gostkowski? Zoltan Mesko?

    And here’s the real kicker: Everything about the throw was putrid. The decision. The execution. Brady carelessly tossed it up there as if he were feeding Manute Bol in the low post.

    Then he blamed someone else. So much for the Patriot Way.

    With that in mind, let’s give O’Brien some credit. If you read colleague Greg Bedard yesterday, you know Brady went to the sideline and gave an earful to both Underwood and receivers coach Chad O’Shea immediately after his blunder. To his credit, O’Brien came to the defense of both, responding with such fury that Brady retaliated with a crystal clear “No [expletive].’’

    Fine. In professional sports, arguments happen all the time. The games are emotional, the competition can get intense . . . yada, yada, yada. But Underwood wasn’t the only receiver chastised by Brady Sunday - Wes Welker and Deion Branch also heard about it after miscommunications - and one can’t help but wonder if Brady has grown more stubborn and spoiled with each passing year of his career.

    Remember two years ago, when Brady drew the wrath of linebacker Ray Lewis after lobbying with officials for a roughing-the-passer call in a game against the Baltimore Ravens? Brady smugly applauded Sunday when Redskins linebacker London Fletcher was called for a personal foul, delivering a hit to Brady as he slid to the turf.

    In all of those instances, the message is the same. You can’t do that to me. I’m Tom Brady.

    Maybe this is why Brady has appeared on a list of the most disliked players in the NFL.

    Here’s part of the problem with the Patriots the last few years: For guys who continuously preach the concept of team, Brady and coach Bill Belichick have garnered a disproportionate amount of the attention and responsibility. Brady and Belichick are now perhaps the only chance the Patriots have at another Super Bowl, if for no other reason than the fact the Patriots have been stripped of talent on both the roster and coaching staff.

    That said, good for O’Brien for taking on Brady.

    As we learned in the NFL documentary on Belichick, “A Football Life,’’ the Patriots recently have seemed like a one-man show on the administrative level. The scene of Belichick doing all the talking in one meeting with his coaching staff spoke volumes, not a single member of the staff looking comfortable enough to offer an alternative viewpoint.

    Meanwhile, by contrast, Belichick seemed quite receptive to the offerings of his quarterback when Brady suggested an addition to a play as they sat at Belichick’s desk discussing that week’s game plan.

    Belichick took a role in defusing the tension between Brady and O’Brien that existed Sunday, but he should have been right there alongside O’Brien airing out his bratty quarterback.

    To his credit, Brady took blame for his actions on the sideline, though that hardly makes them excusable. At this stage of his career, Brady should be getting more mature and responsible, not less. Instead, he seems to be getting more like Marino, one of the most accomplished passers in league history who never won a thing because he never understood the most simple rule of team sports.

    It’s not about you. It never was and it never is.

     
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    This is ridiculous.  Mazz is a joke and should stick to baseball.

    He's helped develop Gronk into the best TE in the league in less than 2 seasons.  Hernandez is number 2 in the AFC pro bowl voting only to Gronk.




     
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    This just in!  B.B. and Brady are the reason for the Pats success ANNNNND they actually like each other!


    Everything else is hogwash!  Brady doesnt want to be the center of attention but with this defense he is tying to win another title. He has to score a lot of points to do it and I dont fault him for being frustrated after 2 weeks of watching this carousel defense give up leads against the Colts and Skins in back to back weeks to Qb's who shouldnt even be starting.

    I assume Brady thinks to himself..."I am 10 times better than Grossman, why they hell I am out here with 2 minutes left trying to seal the deal?"

    Nice Try Mazz!

    You can go sit in the corner with Tom Jackson now...
     
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    These hack reporters will write anything to get a response.  Clearly this d bag doesnt come here and read the fans comments.  And they wonder why they are not liked by players and fans.  Dumb article is dumb!
     
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    Funny Thing about Mazz-


    In a month from now if the Pats fans are cheering and praising Tom Brady because we won a playoff game in which Brady's performance was spectacular Mazz will be writing a Column entitled- "Brady is Just One man on a great team".
     In this column Mazz will refer to the Patriots fans as Fickle Yahoos who over react to the ups and downs and that we are far too willing to heap praise on a player like Brady when it is undeserved. After all this is a team sport and there are 53 men on the roster as well as a coaching staff that works tirelessly to prepare these men.

    Much like Ron Borges, Mazz writes columns with disdain for the fans depending on which stance we take after every game. He lives to write columns that let the fans know that he is smarter than you and you are certainly irrational and for the most part, stupid. I'm Not a fan of the guy, don't read him and he contributes nothing to my quality of life.
     
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    Well  . . .   while admitting I'm not going to waste my time reading Tom Mazzarotti, I'll happily weigh in on the topic. I don't believe that anyone is "above" criticism and I can certainly see where a certain type of fan (or a woefully inept "journalist") might view Brady as a prima donna, but what this smacks of more to me is the never-ending hunt for a story that isn't there.

    Some people around here like to remind us that Brady is no longer that "first guy in / last guy out" that everybody fell in love with 10 years ago, but leadership has a tendency to evolve depending upon whom you're leading and -- leave us not forget -- Brady is one of the few constants in the Belichick regime. If I was of a mind to question the commitment of people in the Pats organization, I'd go through a lot of guys before I would get to Tom Brady.
     
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    This is ridiculous.  Mazz is a joke and should stick to baseball. He's helped develop Gronk into the best TE in the league in less than 2 seasons.  Hernandez is number 2 in the AFC pro bowl voting only to Gronk.
    Posted by mikec645


        Amen. The fault lies with the scouting department, and, ultimately, with BB, for why the Pats' haven't developed young WRs. Tom worked very well with guys like Jabar Gaffney and Reche Caldwell in 2005. He didn't have any trouble assimulating with Wes Welker, Donte' Stallworth, and Randy Moss in 2007. Put some talent around Tom, and he flourishes.

         If BB had drafted WR Torrie Smith at #56 instead on Shane Vereen, or had chosen WR Mike Wallace over the now departed Brandon Tate, this nonsense would have never come up.
     
         Tom has correctly been criticized for throwing an awful pick against the Redskins. Even Tom admits that. Yet, Patriot fans know that Tom's errors are few and far between...and that he has been, and continues to be, one of the greatest QBs to ever play this game.

         As for him getting in the faces of his young WRs...my question is, what young WRs? Poor drafting has really hurt this team.  
     
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    Massarotti-The Globe's Frank Burns
     
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    In Response to Re: Brady Criticized by Pats Fans :     Amen. The fault lies with the scouting department, and, ultimately, with BB, for why the Pats' haven't developed young WRs. Tom worked very well with guys like Jabar Gaffney and Reche Caldwell in 2005. He didn't have any trouble assimulating with Wes Welker, Donte' Stallworth, and Randy Moss in 2007. Put some talent around Tom, and he flourishes.      If BB had drafted WR Torrie Smith at #56 instead on Shane Vereen, or had chosen WR Mike Wallace over the now departed Brandon Tate, this nonsense would have never come up.        Tom has correctly been criticized for throwing an awful pick against the Redskins. Even Tom admits that. Yet, Patriot fans know that Tom's errors are few and far between...and that he has been, and continues to be, one of the greatest QBs to ever play this game.      As for him getting in the faces of his young WRs...my question is, what young WRs? Poor drafting has really hurt this team.  
    Posted by TexasPat3


    Double amen. I expect TB would kind of like to have a wide-out that was worth a hill of beans, which he has not had in a while, and which probably gives rise to some measure of frustration. He is competitive (a good thing) and human (i.e. occasionally gets frustrated. Give him a break. Plus O'Brien is a very mediocre OC, so not going to give him any benefit of the doubt here.
     
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    Anyone who criticizes Brady is a troll.
     
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    Man, the photoshops I could do of this guy!!! Bwahahahahaha!!
     
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    Yes, let's just tear apart the Diva for just having his best 4 years ever.
    And how dare he correct a rooky wide receiver who ran a bad route and did not fight for the ball.  The nerve of some people!!!!!
    I say we cut him now before he looses any more Super Bowls.
     
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    So because Brady is the best QB and BB is the best coach in Pat's history, they can never do any wrong?
     
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    TB is being criticized as being self centered, petulant and refusing to spend the time necessary to bring his young receivers along. As mentioned by Mazz in the article below, this is not the Patriot Way. What does all this mean? Is this a temporary response to the frustration of having too much on his shoulders? Is it symptomatic of something bigger: Brady has become too self important to himself? Your thoughts? What needs to change? T om Brady is the greatest player in the history of the New England Patriots, a quarterback so accomplished we compare him to Joe Montana. But as Brady heads into the final years of his career, we cannot help but wonder if he has now inherited a little bit of Dan Marino, too The Patriots are still on course following a 34-27 victory over the Washington Redskins Sunday, and we can continue to debate where the team is headed this season with a defense of castoffs and misfits. New England is in a nip-and-tuck affair with Baltimore and Houston for the top two spots in the AFC playoff field, and the Patriots will claim one of the top two seeds if they win their three remaining games. In the meantime, maybe it’s time to wonder if the Patriots are becoming as Brady-centric off the field as they are on it. Sorry folks, but there is no defending Brady for the outburst directed at offensive coordinator Bill O’Brien on the sideline in the fourth quarter Sunday. Had Randy Moss pulled the same stunt, we would have spent much of yesterday burying him for such petulance. Brady threw a horrendous interception in the end zone on a pass intended for Tiquan Underwood when he could have sealed a victory, then went to the sideline and threw a tantrum to go along with it. Tom Brady vs. Tiquan Underwood. Now there’s a fair fight. One man has three Super Bowl rings and more than 39,000 career passing yards while the other has 10 career catches and not a single touchdown. Who’s Brady going to blame next, Stephen Gostkowski? Zoltan Mesko? And here’s the real kicker: Everything about the throw was putrid. The decision. The execution. Brady carelessly tossed it up there as if he were feeding Manute Bol in the low post. Then he blamed someone else.  So much for the Patriot Way. With that in mind, let’s give O’Brien some credit. If you read colleague Greg Bedard yesterday, you know Brady went to the sideline and gave an earful to both Underwood and receivers coach Chad O’Shea immediately after his blunder. To his credit, O’Brien came to the defense of both, responding with such fury that Brady retaliated with a crystal clear “No [expletive].’’ Fine. In professional sports, arguments happen all the time. The games are emotional, the competition can get intense . . . yada, yada, yada. But Underwood wasn’t the only receiver chastised by Brady Sunday - Wes Welker and Deion Branch also heard about it after miscommunications - and one can’t help but wonder if Brady has grown more stubborn and spoiled with each passing year of his career. Remember two years ago, when Brady drew the wrath of linebacker Ray Lewis after lobbying with officials for a roughing-the-passer call in a game against the Baltimore Ravens? Brady smugly applauded Sunday when Redskins linebacker London Fletcher was called for a personal foul, delivering a hit to Brady as he slid to the turf. In all of those instances, the message is the same.  You can’t do that to me. I’m Tom Brady. Maybe this is why Brady has appeared on a list of the most disliked players in the NFL. Here’s part of the problem with the Patriots the last few years: For guys who continuously preach the concept of team, Brady and coach Bill Belichick have garnered a disproportionate amount of the attention and responsibility. Brady and Belichick are now perhaps the only chance the Patriots have at another Super Bowl, if for no other reason than the fact the Patriots have been stripped of talent on both the roster and coaching staff. That said, good for O’Brien for taking on Brady. As we learned in the NFL documentary on Belichick, “A Football Life,’’ the Patriots recently have seemed like a one-man show on the administrative level. The scene of Belichick doing all the talking in one meeting with his coaching staff spoke volumes, not a single member of the staff looking comfortable enough to offer an alternative viewpoint. Meanwhile, by contrast, Belichick seemed quite receptive to the offerings of his quarterback when Brady suggested an addition to a play as they sat at Belichick’s desk discussing that week’s game plan. Belichick took a role in defusing the tension between Brady and O’Brien that existed Sunday, but he should have been right there alongside O’Brien airing out his bratty quarterback. To his credit, Brady took blame for his actions on the sideline, though that hardly makes them excusable. At this stage of his career, Brady should be getting more mature and responsible, not less. Instead, he seems to be getting more like Marino, one of the most accomplished passers in league history who never won a thing because he never understood the most simple rule of team sports. It’s not about you.  It never was and it never is.
    Posted by NYC

    None of those things.  Here is the other option.  IM NOT BUYING THE PREMISE.
    Brady is fine, short offseason, and he sure brought the TEs along fine.  The idea that if you dont get the result you want, Brady is the issue is foolish.  Ocho shouldn't need it for sure.  The whole TONE of this article is slanted, "Brady smugly applauded Sunday when Redskins linebacker London Fletcher was called for a personal foul"  isn't reporting, he already let us know how he felt with the "smugly" thing.  Massaroti or whatever the heck his name is writes stuff like this to get attention.  I don't give it to him.  This is a trash article by a trash writer.  

     
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    So because Brady is the best QB and BB is the best coach in Pat's history, they can never do any wrong?
    Posted by FrnkBnhm


    Nobody said they can't do anything wrong.
    There are just some fans who would rather not make a mountain out of a mole hill.
    Then, there are some fans who like to criticize the ones that don't.
     
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    I don't get a chance to read the Globe anymore. Thanks for reminding me that I don't really need to. Hey, I am from the area, but I keep forgetting how sadly hateful the sports reporters generally are there.

    Isn't Masseroti the classy guy who published rumors about John Lester's cancer a while ago? Classy guy.
     
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    This just in..................Mazz is an idiot

     
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    Much like Ron Borges, Mazz writes columns with disdain for the fans depending on which stance we take after every game. He lives to write columns that let the fans know that he is smarter than you and you are certainly irrational and for the most part, stupid. I'm Not a fan of the guy, don't read him and he contributes nothing to my quality of life. 
    (from Rerun85

    Thanks for the perspective.
     
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    He has a point about Brady's track record with young WRs though. He took a vested interest in Gronk and Aaron and it payed off, but why is it that Price couldn't get acclimated? The same can be said of why Galloway, Holt and Ochco can't seem to make it on the field. 
     
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    Tom Brady is our quarter back.  Tony Mazzarotti is a whiny, negative, excuse for a sports writer.  Tom Brady is going into the Hall Of Fame on roller skates.  Mazz is going nowhere.  Mazz has been dissing the PATS all season but the PATS are now 10 & 3.  Why would anyone listen to Mazz, he's just terrible and he hasn't played a down.......  EVER.
     
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    He has a point about Brady's track record with young WRs though. He took a vested interest in Gronk and Aaron and it payed off, but why is it that Price couldn't get acclimated? The same can be said of why Galloway, Holt and Ochco can't seem to make it on the field. 
    Posted by 49Patriots


    And you think this is because Brady hasn't been willing to put in the time and effort with these guys? Brady acclimated Welker and Moss almost overnight back in 2007. It was because those guys 'wanted it'. Same with Gronk and Hernandez last year. They were willing to put in the extra time and effort, and had the aptitude to go along with the ability to understand what is required in the Patriots offense. Holt is not really a good example, because he was hurt before he ever got the chance to take the field. After one of Galloways MANY misread/misroutes, TB was seen on the sideline saying 'this isn't rocket science'. Galloway, Price, and unfortunately it looks like Ocho as well, may be fine in a 'you run 15 yards and turn left' scheme. But just dont have the mental ability to read and react to what the defense is doing like is required in the Pats offense. I am a little amazed that they couldn't find some way to make a speed guy a part of the offense, even if it was just to draw a safety away and keep someone else from being double-teamed.
     
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    The problem is many Pats' fans are anal. The solution is for them to stop being anal. Brady is the same as he has always been regarding how he treats his teammates.

    There is not one iota of evidence that Brady is a detriment to young WRs. This is the kind of simpleton's view that anal drama queens pull out of their anal cavity and call it reality.
     
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    In reading this article, the one thing that people forget is that Tom is who he is because of his competitive desire - without it he would be nothing. What you saw on the sidelines was a guy competing (Belichick said it himself). Was it right? Probably not, but guys that are wired that way do things like that all the time in the heat of battle.

    Another point from the article that I whole heartily agree with is when Maz mentions the meeting room (A Football Life ESPN) and the exchange between BB and his staff - no one talked except Bill in there - that to me was very weird. You have a meeting and everyone is afraid to voice their opinion? Then why have a meeting? I can't imagine most staffs do it that way - at least most good ones. That to me is a clear sign that the people around Belichick have very little say in the decisions of this team...draft selections, schemes, etc. That's what worries me. When BB goes to Florida and then drafts 3 guys from that school; I wonder if the scouting department was on board with that?
     
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    In reading this article, the one thing that people forget is that Tom is who he is because of his competitive desire - without it he would be nothing. What you saw on the sidelines was a guy competing (Belichick said it himself). Was it right? Probably not, but guys that are wired that way do things like that all the time in the heat of battle. Another point from the article that I whole heartily agree with is when Maz mentions the meeting room (A Football Life ESPN) and the exchange between BB and his staff - no one talked except Bill in there - that to me was very weird. You have a meeting and everyone is afraid to voice their opinion? Then why have a meeting? I can't imagine most staffs do it that way - at least most good ones. That to me is a clear sign that the people around Belichick have very little say in the decisions of this team...draft selections, schemes, etc. That's what worries me. When BB goes to Florida and then drafts 3 guys from that school; I wonder if the scouting department was on board with that?
    Posted by mthurl



    The BB and staff  meeting referred to did have Brady expressing opinions. The others likely did not say anything because they are purely amateurs compared to BB or Tom.They are learning from those two. Their experience is a joke and they have been promoted at a rapid rate beyond any traditional merit.

    As far as Tom getting on Underwood; it's his job. The guy is a street scrub and he ran the pattern incorrectly. I would be furious at Brady for not letting him know that especially if he didn't for the sake of appeasing either the drama queens that are the "public" or the dysfunctional drama queen OC that is in way over his head.

    Why BB keeps promoting these unqualified on the job training types escapes me. I chalk it up to his relatively mediocre GM skills.

     
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