Brady Delusional About Chances of Winning Another SB?

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    Good stuff Muz as always. I utterly concur.

     
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    One more thing, which I've said before but can't be said enough. There is no formula for winning Super Bowls. It's random. It goes to the team that makes the playoffs and has the most luck and is playing the best at the time.

    It's not about personnel. Baltimore's personnel was not better than New England's or San Fran's or Denver's. They got hot and lucky. Vegas has them at 8.5 wins this year. Not that Vegas is infallible, but that's based on personnel. 

    The Giants personnel was not better than any of the teams they beat in 2011. Does anybody want to argue that New England was a better football team in any respect personnel wise than the Rams in 2001?

    And on and on.  It's the exception that the best team wins the Super Bowl.  It's not about collecting the most talent. You need a very good to great QB and then you need to get hot at the right time, get some breaks and that's about it. There's your formula.




    what?

     
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    And on and on.  It's the exception that the best team wins the Super Bowl.  It's not about collecting the most talent. You need a very good to great QB and then you need to get hot at the right time, get some breaks and that's about it. There's your formula.

     




     

    what?



    The only #1 seeds to win the SB in this century are New England in '04 and New Orleans in '09. That's about what you'd expect if the winner was selected in a random draw of all teams that qualified for the playoffs.  

    Just look at the last three winners, 10-6, 9-7, 10-6, all three needed luck to qualify for the playoffs.

    Your Giants were last in the NFL in rushing and near the bottom of the league in defense.

    The Ravens were mediocre basically all season, 17th ranked defense, not much better offense (12th). They needed a near impossible conversion on 4th and 29 to make the poststeason.  They were maybe the 8th or 9th best football team last year, maybe lower than that. They just got hot (and lucky).

    Stuff like this happens every year. It's random.

     
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    It seems the only ones delusional about winning Super Bowls here are the entitled, doom and gloom "fans."

    They seem to think it's easy and that we should win EVERY year, and if we don't it's because our players sux, Belichick can't find talented players, it's the defense's fault or everyone on the team is bad except for Brady.  

    The only consistent with winning Super Bowls is timing, the best team that is streaking, getting healthy going into the playoffs typically wins.  You need to play your best football, be your healthiest at the end of December.  

    The team will be in the Super Bowl hunt again this year, only the doom and gloomers disagree, but they're wrong every year so that's no surprise. If you go back a year from now you'll find endless threads about how much trouble the Pat's offensive line is, or WR's, or the defense or how the dynasty is at it's end.  

    The Patriot's have been on death's door every preseason for the last decade but somehow the rumors of their demise have been greatly exaggerated, and it's always the same posters making these predictions.

     
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    Once you get to the SB for the most part it is a crap shoot. Both teams have 2 weeks to prepare to take away the strengths of each other. It comes down to which team is able to impose it's game plan more effectively or sometimes which team executes a handful of plays better.

    In 42 spagnoulo used multiple fronts and different types of alignments to confuse the Pat's  O-line and Brady for most of the game.

    In 46 there were 5 or 6 plays that decided the outcome.

    You have to execute, be disciplined and in some instances be lucky to win a SB.

     
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    In response to Muzwell's comment:

    One more thing, which I've said before but can't be said enough. There is no formula for winning Super Bowls. It's random. It goes to the team that makes the playoffs and has the most luck and is playing the best at the time.

    It's not about personnel. Baltimore's personnel was not better than New England's or San Fran's or Denver's. They got hot and lucky. Vegas has them at 8.5 wins this year. Not that Vegas is infallible, but that's based on personnel. 

    The Giants personnel was not better than any of the teams they beat in 2011. Does anybody want to argue that New England was a better football team in any respect personnel wise than the Rams in 2001?

    And on and on.  It's the exception that the best team wins the Super Bowl.  It's not about collecting the most talent. You need a very good to great QB and then you need to get hot at the right time, get some breaks and that's about it. There's your formula.




    I disagree. Not random.  Yes, you do need players with talent. The one thing you may have forgotten are matchups.  The fact is, teams like the Giants, Ravens, and 49ers match up well against the Patriots.  In addition, our defense is not what it used to be. You actually think the Patriots won with JAGs?  

    Plus, one needs a healthy team going into the playoffs, momentum (like u said, teams that get hot at end of season/during playoffs), and a lil lady luck.

     

     
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    Once you get to the SB for the most part it is a crap shoot. Both teams have 2 weeks to prepare to take away the strengths of each other. It comes down to which team is able to impose it's game plan more effectively or sometimes which team executes a handful of plays better.

    In 42 spagnoulo used multiple fronts and different types of alignments to confuse the Pat's  O-line and Brady for most of the game.

    In 46 there were 5 or 6 plays that decided the outcome.

    You have to execute, be disciplined and in some instances be lucky to win a SB.



    yep....agreed

     
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    I disagree. Not random.  Yes, you do need players with talent. The one thing you may have forgotten are matchups.  The fact is, teams like the Giants, Ravens, and 49ers match up well against the Patriots.  In addition, our defense is not what it used to be. You actually think the Patriots won with JAGs?  

    Plus, one needs a healthy team going into the playoffs, momentum (like u said, teams that get hot at end of season/during playoffs), and a lil lady luck.

     

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    Fear the Ravens if you want. The Patriots have a winning record against the Ravens in the BB/Brady era. They match up just fine. They beat them in 2011, lost in '12. It's absolutely random that Gronk was hurt, that Flacco was playing the best football of his life, that Ray Lewis got back on the PEDs, apparently, and on and on...it's random that they even played each other last year because Denver never should have lost that game to Baltimore. 

    They match up fine against the Giants too, lost two SB games by fluke and poor execution. They've played SF once (and reeled off 31 unanswered points in one stretch), not sure how you can conclude anything from one game.

    The things you mention, matchups, momentum, health and luck are the very definition of random.  The only certainty is you must have a capable signal caller. The only difference between Cincinnati and New England/Denver/Baltimore is the QB play. Same with several teams.

    And yes, I do believe you can win the SB with a good to great QB, a few quality guys here and there and an assortment of JAGs. That's basically every playoff team these days. All flawed. That's the salary cap, free agency and the draft at work. That's what it's designed to produce, flawed teams that are basically very similar. Do you think it's coincidence that the #1 seed wins so rarely.

    Again, can you make the case that the Patriots talent in 2001 was anywhere close to the Rams? I think maybe four Patriots would have started for the Rams that year, all on defense (and the Rams had a better defense than the Pats that year).  Just because they won the SB doesn't make them a better team.

    For that matter, how many Ravens would have started for the Niners last year?  Torrey Smith and Haloti Ngata (maybe), and Ray Rice, Boldin, maybe you'd want Flacco over Kaepernick because of experience (not talent).

    The point is, the Patriots could have easily won two more SBs and have as good a chance to win this year as ANYBODY.  They have the QB, some other good to great players and a bunch of JAGs. If they are healthy, have momentum, get favorable matchups and get lucky...

    I still can't get past someone saying they can't win because Brady is too old and at the same time, the Broncos are the AFC's best team.

     
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    I disagree. Not random.  Yes, you do need players with talent. The one thing you may have forgotten are matchups.  The fact is, teams like the Giants, Ravens, and 49ers match up well against the Patriots.  In addition, our defense is not what it used to be. You actually think the Patriots won with JAGs?  

    Plus, one needs a healthy team going into the playoffs, momentum (like u said, teams that get hot at end of season/during playoffs), and a lil lady luck.

     

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    Fear the Ravens if you want. The Patriots have a winning record against the Ravens in the BB/Brady era. They match up just fine. They beat them in 2011, lost in '12. It's absolutely random that Gronk was hurt, that Flacco was playing the best football of his life, that Ray Lewis got back on the PEDs, apparently, and on and on...it's random that they even played each other last year because Denver never should have lost that game to Baltimore. 

    They match up fine against the Giants too, lost two SB games by fluke and poor execution. They've played SF once (and reeled off 31 unanswered points in one stretch), not sure how you can conclude anything from one game.

    The things you mention, matchups, momentum, health and luck are the very definition of random.  The only certainty is you must have a capable signal caller. The only difference between Cincinnati and New England/Denver/Baltimore is the QB play. Same with several teams.

    And yes, I do believe you can win the SB with a good to great QB, a few quality guys here and there and an assortment of JAGs. That's basically every playoff team these days. All flawed. That's the salary cap, free agency and the draft at work. That's what it's designed to produce, flawed teams that are basically very similar. Do you think it's coincidence that the #1 seed wins so rarely.

    Again, can you make the case that the Patriots talent in 2001 was anywhere close to the Rams? I think maybe four Patriots would have started for the Rams that year, all on defense (and the Rams had a better defense than the Pats that year).  Just because they won the SB doesn't make them a better team.

    For that matter, how many Ravens would have started for the Niners last year?  Torrey Smith and Haloti Ngata (maybe), and Ray Rice, Boldin, maybe you'd want Flacco over Kaepernick because of experience (not talent).

    The point is, the Patriots could have easily won two more SBs and have as good a chance to win this year as ANYBODY.  They have the QB, some other good to great players and a bunch of JAGs. If they are healthy, have momentum, get favorable matchups and get lucky...

    I still can't get past someone saying they can't win because Brady is too old and at the same time, the Broncos are the AFC's best team.

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    It is only because the guy is either a Manning fan or a Broncos fan. That is the only logical reason for a person say that about Brady and the Broncs.

     
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    I think you are delusional to think Brady doesn't have a chance to win another SB. The offence is going to be better this year without a doubt. The Pats just got rid of the most drop happy receivering pair in the league and have replaced them with younger faster talent that won't drop as many.  Especially in the Superbowl. The D is going to be much improved this year. They have every bit as much of a chance to win the Superbowl as any other team.

     

     

    dude, you need to learn how to read, drink some more koolaid, and take a laxative. Where did I say that the Patriots had no chance?

     The offense is going to be better this year? Maybe. My guess is the passing game is going to have problems early on. Defense going to be much improved? Hopefully, but still unproven.



    You obviously need to look up the definition of delusional. Here I'll do it for you.

    From Merriam Webster:

    Definition of DELUSION 1 : the act of deluding : the state of being deluded 2 a : something that is falsely or delusively believed or propagated   b : a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary; also : the abnormal state marked by such beliefs   In other words you stated there is no way Brady and the Pats will win another superbowl.  So take your hateraid laced with laxitive and go home already. Learn the english language and when you are big enough and old enough to actually know what the words you use mean, come on back!
     
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