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BB needs to scale Brady back. Get him back under center more, run more base sets, leave a blocking TE (even Gronk) back at the line more, and try to get to play action in a game asap.

This is exactly what they did on Sunday and it failed miserably without Gronk as our TEs were abused by Kruger and Suggs.  Hopefully Gronk stays healthy and Ballard provides more solid depth.

This is what hurt Ocho and even Lloyd.  The Lloyd thing is telling. He's probably wondering why on earth Brady ignored him as much as he did this year.

Only 18 receivers in the entire NFL were targeted more than Lloyd this season.  He was targeted 14 times last week.  What are you talking about?

I am talking about WHERE on the field he was targeted. Was he targeted deep, mid range (past 10 yards)?  How many times? Twice out of those 14 targets?

You don't get it.  All we've heard is how Moss stretches the field. The problem with that is it's all he did.

Lloyd can stretch it and be trageted on slants, curls, outs, etc, but we didn't target him in the other ways to help the flow of the offense.

Why didn't you say that if that's what you meant?, ohhh i've caught you out. How can anyone believe a person in a discussion when they make up what their points are as they go along? There's a name for people who do that and that name is TROLL. Inflammatory posts are the calling card of a troll. All you posts are inflammatory and you're a liar as well but in an indirect way. You post articles and you ignore the parts that don't support your claims and then when someone explains the stats such as the poster has above and you ignore them so that you can tell yourself you're right. You're such a troll you don't even realise

Yes, he always does that.  Not only that but his twist is also INNCORRECT!

Lloyd was targeted 4 times deep, only caught one and one was the last int.

Ya, his 25% completion percentage would have certainly got us the win.  NOT!

4 times "deep", huh? Please post these deep targets, please.

We saw no play action and no deep balls to Lloyd. Period.

What YOU always do is lie and spin as a way to deflect.  Either post the targets on deep plays to Lloyd or walk away with your pink panties dangling as you ususally do.

No lie.  You're the only one that does that.  Look them up yourself if you don't believe it but I assure you they are there for all the world to see.  Just like your trolling.

No. YOU source your own comments. The fact you can't do it, tells us all we need to know. You lied again.

Show me 4 25+ yard targets to Lloyd from that game. 

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Maybe because he was the primary read and was WIDE OPEN.  Unbelievable.

You're missing his point.   That's ONE play. What he's saying is, with that many targets, even wide open on the first read, which does happen quite a bit, it's that ONE time where a huge drop can literally affect the swing of the game, and change momentum.

In a sense, it's almost become unfair that Welker is now the goat in these situations. 

As opposed to keeping a D a bit more honest, running a bit more, taking less targets away from Welker, Brady more under center, Welker is too much so an extension of the run game.

What's unbelievable is a fan like you unable to see the points made by very intelligent people who can see the problems at the core.

You're like the old guy at the table at GM who thinks everything is fine and dandy as sales plummet another year.

Things aren't fine.   Draft a WR to develop in the mid rounds with great feet and high IQ, target Hartline, Jennings or a hopefully released Earl Bennett (Or Mike Thomas from Detroit).

Draft a FB who can in between the tackles, block and catch.

Get Brady more so under center.

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Hey Tomhab, can you sign up for night classes at Bunker Hill CC so we can see you're at least attempting to improve that IQ level?

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Maybe because he was the primary read and was WIDE OPEN.  Unbelievable.

You're missing his point.   That's ONE play. What he's saying is, with that many targets, even wide open on the first read, which does happen quite a bit, it's that ONE time where a huge drop can literally affect the swing of the game, and change momentum.

In a sense, it's almost become unfair that Welker is now the goat in these situations. 

As opposed to keeping a D a bit more honest, running a bit more, taking less targets away from Welker, Brady more under center, Welker is too much so an extension of the run game.

What's unbelievable is a fan like you unable to see the points made by very intelligent people who can see the problems at the core.

You're like the old guy at the table at GM who thinks everything is fine and dandy as sales plummet another year.

Things aren't fine.   Draft a WR to develop in the mid rounds with great feet and high IQ, target Hartline, Jennings or a hopefully released Earl Bennett (Or Mike Thomas from Detroit).

Draft a FB who can in between the tackles, block and catch.

Get Brady more so under center.

You are one amazing TROLL!  You been on here all week bashing wes and saying he shouldnt be signed but just because someone who slightly agreed with you said Brady was staring him down, now wes is the scapegoat???? Anything to bash Brady huh?  WOW WOW WoW   So let me get this straight, because Brady only looked to Wes on a 3rd down "money"play designed to get him open on a pic pay, its Bradys fault Wes didnt catch a WIDE OPEN pass with noone within 5 yards of him???   You are a funny guy and the worst part is you brag about an IQ but are too stupid to realize that everyone has been on to your BS for years but this past year you removed all doubts and even the few supporters you once now admit that you nuts. You never used to lie so much before though. Why is that?

No sense in arguing, I wonder if that play last year by Sterling Moore was a good thing. We would have lost 2 Play-off games at Home to the Ravens. Back to Back. Never would have thought this way back in 04. Never.

I would be ridiculous to claim that a soon to be 36 year-old professional is not in the decline... I do not care if he has already had his best statistical season. The question is whether or not he is still a good enough QB to win a Super Bowl and I think he still has three maybe even four of those seasons in him (Elway won it at 38 by taking a backseat to Terrell Davis).

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BB needs to scale Brady back. Get him back under center more, run more base sets, leave a blocking TE (even Gronk) back at the line more, and try to get to play action in a game asap.

This is exactly what they did on Sunday and it failed miserably without Gronk as our TEs were abused by Kruger and Suggs.  Hopefully Gronk stays healthy and Ballard provides more solid depth.

This is what hurt Ocho and even Lloyd.  The Lloyd thing is telling. He's probably wondering why on earth Brady ignored him as much as he did this year.

Only 18 receivers in the entire NFL were targeted more than Lloyd this season.  He was targeted 14 times last week.  What are you talking about?

I am talking about WHERE on the field he was targeted. Was he targeted deep, mid range (past 10 yards)?  How many times? Twice out of those 14 targets?

You don't get it.  All we've heard is how Moss stretches the field. The problem with that is it's all he did.

Lloyd can stretch it and be trageted on slants, curls, outs, etc, but we didn't target him in the other ways to help the flow of the offense.

Why didn't you say that if that's what you meant?, ohhh i've caught you out. How can anyone believe a person in a discussion when they make up what their points are as they go along? There's a name for people who do that and that name is TROLL. Inflammatory posts are the calling card of a troll. All you posts are inflammatory and you're a liar as well but in an indirect way. You post articles and you ignore the parts that don't support your claims and then when someone explains the stats such as the poster has above and you ignore them so that you can tell yourself you're right. You're such a troll you don't even realise

Yes, he always does that.  Not only that but his twist is also INNCORRECT!

Lloyd was targeted 4 times deep, only caught one and one was the last int.

Ya, his 25% completion percentage would have certainly got us the win.  NOT!

4 times "deep", huh? Please post these deep targets, please.

We saw no play action and no deep balls to Lloyd. Period.

What YOU always do is lie and spin as a way to deflect.  Either post the targets on deep plays to Lloyd or walk away with your pink panties dangling as you ususally do.

No lie.  You're the only one that does that.  Look them up yourself if you don't believe it but I assure you they are there for all the world to see.  Just like your trolling.

No. YOU source your own comments. The fact you can't do it, tells us all we need to know. You lied again.

Show me 4 25+ yard targets to Lloyd from that game. 

Oh, I can do it, can you?  BTW deep does not mean 25+.  learn the game.

Uhh, yes, it does mean 25+ yards is a deep ball because Brady is really wanting to throw 15 yards and in. Most of his passes are in between the hashes and less than 20 yards.

15-25 is a mid range ball in this offense, anything less than 15 is a short pass, more so 10 yards or less and anything 25+ is a deep target.

Yes.

See, you just got caught. You tried to be sneaky in thinking somehow a 20 yard pass is a "deep ball".

20 yards doesn't stretch the field, spanky.

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I would be ridiculous to claim that a soon to be 36 year-old professional is not in the decline... I do not care if he has already had his best statistical season. The question is whether or not he is still a good enough QB to win a Super Bowl and I think he still has three maybe even four of those seasons in him (Elway won it at 38 by taking a backseat to Terrell Davis).

Pretty much refflects my view of Brady.

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Maybe because he was the primary read and was WIDE OPEN.  Unbelievable.

You're missing his point.   That's ONE play. What he's saying is, with that many targets, even wide open on the first read, which does happen quite a bit, it's that ONE time where a huge drop can literally affect the swing of the game, and change momentum.

In a sense, it's almost become unfair that Welker is now the goat in these situations. 

As opposed to keeping a D a bit more honest, running a bit more, taking less targets away from Welker, Brady more under center, Welker is too much so an extension of the run game.

What's unbelievable is a fan like you unable to see the points made by very intelligent people who can see the problems at the core.

You're like the old guy at the table at GM who thinks everything is fine and dandy as sales plummet another year.

Things aren't fine.   Draft a WR to develop in the mid rounds with great feet and high IQ, target Hartline, Jennings or a hopefully released Earl Bennett (Or Mike Thomas from Detroit).

Draft a FB who can in between the tackles, block and catch.

Get Brady more so under center.

Hey Rusty can you put this Troll Avatar on all of your log in names so it doesn't take us two or three of your post to recognize your trolling...Thanks

Hey Tomhab, can you sign up for night classes at Bunker Hill CC so we can see you're at least attempting to improve that IQ level?

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HAHAHAHAHA are you referring to yourself as The Board now? I'm glad you can be this judgemental...qualities like that make for excellent trolls

You do realize you're an adult and you're stll dumb enough to think that I have more than one board name here, correct?

You once thought I was Phat Rex, you moron. Trust me when I tell you a lot more people are laughing at you, than me.

You're an idiot. I have bludgeoned Phat Rex and other trolls here, in particular Jets trolls, for years, yet you think I am a troll and a Jets fan?

Get to a library.  Try Goodnight Moon for starters. 

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BB needs to scale Brady back. Get him back under center more, run more base sets, leave a blocking TE (even Gronk) back at the line more, and try to get to play action in a game asap.

This is exactly what they did on Sunday and it failed miserably without Gronk as our TEs were abused by Kruger and Suggs.  Hopefully Gronk stays healthy and Ballard provides more solid depth.

This is what hurt Ocho and even Lloyd.  The Lloyd thing is telling. He's probably wondering why on earth Brady ignored him as much as he did this year.

Only 18 receivers in the entire NFL were targeted more than Lloyd this season.  He was targeted 14 times last week.  What are you talking about?

I am talking about WHERE on the field he was targeted. Was he targeted deep, mid range (past 10 yards)?  How many times? Twice out of those 14 targets?

You don't get it.  All we've heard is how Moss stretches the field. The problem with that is it's all he did.

Lloyd can stretch it and be trageted on slants, curls, outs, etc, but we didn't target him in the other ways to help the flow of the offense.

Why didn't you say that if that's what you meant?, ohhh i've caught you out. How can anyone believe a person in a discussion when they make up what their points are as they go along? There's a name for people who do that and that name is TROLL. Inflammatory posts are the calling card of a troll. All you posts are inflammatory and you're a liar as well but in an indirect way. You post articles and you ignore the parts that don't support your claims and then when someone explains the stats such as the poster has above and you ignore them so that you can tell yourself you're right. You're such a troll you don't even realise

Yes, he always does that.  Not only that but his twist is also INNCORRECT!

Lloyd was targeted 4 times deep, only caught one and one was the last int.

Ya, his 25% completion percentage would have certainly got us the win.  NOT!

4 times "deep", huh? Please post these deep targets, please.

We saw no play action and no deep balls to Lloyd. Period.

What YOU always do is lie and spin as a way to deflect.  Either post the targets on deep plays to Lloyd or walk away with your pink panties dangling as you ususally do.

No lie.  You're the only one that does that.  Look them up yourself if you don't believe it but I assure you they are there for all the world to see.  Just like your trolling.

No. YOU source your own comments. The fact you can't do it, tells us all we need to know. You lied again.

Show me 4 25+ yard targets to Lloyd from that game. 

Oh, I can do it, can you?  BTW deep does not mean 25+.  learn the game.

Uhh, yes, it does mean 25+ yards is a deep ball because Brady is really wanting to throw 15 yards and in. Most of his passes are in between the hashes and less than 20 yards.

15-25 is a mid range ball in this offense, anything less than 15 is a short pass, more so 10 yards or less and anything 25+ is a deep target.

Yes.

See, you just got caught. You tried to be sneaky in thinking somehow a 20 yard pass is a "deep ball".

20 yards doesn't stretch the field, spanky.

I'm Confused Genius please explain, if Brady wants to through 15 and in as you claim, that mean 0-5 is a short pass and 5-10 is mid-range with 10-15 being his limit so yea  20+ pass would be stretching the field by your claim of him wanting to pass 15 and in that is.  Your IQ is out witting your common sense again, but keep trolling.

That's nice, but we aren't talking about the 2007 brady, we are talking about the present day brady.

I've already posted a couple of times on this thread and, to be clear, my enthusiasm for Tom Brady as the Pats QB is as strong as it's ever been.  Having said that, what I found most disappointing was the failure of the Pats offense not only in the red zone but on the Ravens end of the field throughout the game.  In my opinion, the pick in the end zone was almost predictable given the situation.  The Ravens D knew what TB was going to have to do and they played it well.  I, too, was a little puzzled by Brady's demeanor late.  Not something we're accustomed to seeing.

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BB needs to scale Brady back. Get him back under center more, run more base sets, leave a blocking TE (even Gronk) back at the line more, and try to get to play action in a game asap.

This is exactly what they did on Sunday and it failed miserably without Gronk as our TEs were abused by Kruger and Suggs.  Hopefully Gronk stays healthy and Ballard provides more solid depth.

This is what hurt Ocho and even Lloyd.  The Lloyd thing is telling. He's probably wondering why on earth Brady ignored him as much as he did this year.

Only 18 receivers in the entire NFL were targeted more than Lloyd this season.  He was targeted 14 times last week.  What are you talking about?

I am talking about WHERE on the field he was targeted. Was he targeted deep, mid range (past 10 yards)?  How many times? Twice out of those 14 targets?

You don't get it.  All we've heard is how Moss stretches the field. The problem with that is it's all he did.

Lloyd can stretch it and be trageted on slants, curls, outs, etc, but we didn't target him in the other ways to help the flow of the offense.

Why didn't you say that if that's what you meant?, ohhh i've caught you out. How can anyone believe a person in a discussion when they make up what their points are as they go along? There's a name for people who do that and that name is TROLL. Inflammatory posts are the calling card of a troll. All you posts are inflammatory and you're a liar as well but in an indirect way. You post articles and you ignore the parts that don't support your claims and then when someone explains the stats such as the poster has above and you ignore them so that you can tell yourself you're right. You're such a troll you don't even realise

Yes, he always does that.  Not only that but his twist is also INNCORRECT!

Lloyd was targeted 4 times deep, only caught one and one was the last int.

Ya, his 25% completion percentage would have certainly got us the win.  NOT!

4 times "deep", huh? Please post these deep targets, please.

We saw no play action and no deep balls to Lloyd. Period.

What YOU always do is lie and spin as a way to deflect.  Either post the targets on deep plays to Lloyd or walk away with your pink panties dangling as you ususally do.

No lie.  You're the only one that does that.  Look them up yourself if you don't believe it but I assure you they are there for all the world to see.  Just like your trolling.

No. YOU source your own comments. The fact you can't do it, tells us all we need to know. You lied again.

Show me 4 25+ yard targets to Lloyd from that game. 

Oh, I can do it, can you?  BTW deep does not mean 25+.  learn the game.

Uhh, yes, it does mean 25+ yards is a deep ball because Brady is really wanting to throw 15 yards and in. Most of his passes are in between the hashes and less than 20 yards.

15-25 is a mid range ball in this offense, anything less than 15 is a short pass, more so 10 yards or less and anything 25+ is a deep target.

Yes.

See, you just got caught. You tried to be sneaky in thinking somehow a 20 yard pass is a "deep ball".

20 yards doesn't stretch the field, spanky.