Brady Not Happy With Gillete Crowd

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    [QUOTE]"It's not an excuse, it's physics. Look even if there are more so-called "pink hats" in Gillette, the majority of the fans are pretty into the game.  The biggest reason for the decline in volume since Foxboro was replaced by Gillette isn't a change in the fans, it's the change in stadium architecture. If nothing else, those of us in the cheap seats (third deck) are much further from the field than we were in the old stadium.  We can (and do) get as loud and rowdy as we used to in Foxboro, but when we're sitting somewhere near the top of Mt. Monadnock, our voices just don't have the impact on the field that we'd like them to. When Paul Allen had the stadium in Seattle designed, loudness was one of his primary considerations.  I don't think the designers of Gillette took crowd volume into account.  They were much more interested in creating an "open" feel. The openness is nice looking--but it doesn't contain or focus sound and because of that the new stadium tends to be quiet." I dont buy it bro, I am at every home game and the majority of fans are NOT into the game. Its not even 50 50. Most fans sit there and dont get into the game while the rest of us stand there yelling at them for being too quiet. When i sat in the nose bleeds i didnt have this issue it was awesome but sitting in the lower bowl with all the yuppy pink hat D bags i 100% see more pink hats then I do fans who are into it. It is embarrassing and it makes me sick. Clearly you are right the stadium is not built for crowd noise but that is not the issue the fans are the issue and the stadium is an easy cop out.
    Posted by MVPkilla4life[/QUOTE]


    I can't tell anyone what to do but it's interesting that a lot of these people don't just give up the season tickets if they're not into it.
    There is still a waiting list for tickets.
    This may sound strange but if the team went into the tank for a few years then it would weed out all of the fans that just go there for the social event.
    It's not worth having the team go into the tank though.

    Not to Mention:
    The Dude: Walter, ya know, it's Smokey, so his toe slipped over the line a little, big deal. It's just a game, man.
    Walter Sobchak: Dude, this is a league game, this determines who enters the next round robin. Am I wrong? Am I wrong?
    Smokey: Yeah, but I wasn't over. Gimme the marker Dude, I'm marking it 8.
    Walter Sobchak: [pulls out a gun] Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
    The Dude: Walter...
    Walter Sobchak: You mark that frame an 8, and you're entering a world of pain.
     
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    [QUOTEI dont buy it bro, I am at every home game and the majority of fans are NOT into the game. . . . When i sat in the nose bleeds i didnt have this issue it was awesome but sitting in the lower bowl with all the yuppy pink hat D bags i 100% see more pink hats then I do fans who are into it. Posted by MVPkilla4life[/QUOTE]

    You gotta come join us up in section 313!

    I did sit down in front of the press box last year a few games and I will admit the crowd was much more subdued down there. 

    I'm in the Meadowlands this weekend . . . hoping it is deadly quiet and empty by fourth quarter.
     
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    Really who gives sh*t what happens in the stands.  I don't, I'm a fan of the Patriots not the Patriots fans.  Personally, if I did feel like spending a months paycheck to go to the stadium and buy overpriced beer and food, and sit through 4 hours of traffic to support my team and donate my hard earned cash to pay the millionaire kid who plays a game for a living then I might not appreciate being scolded by him for not being a loud enough cheerleader or whatever he's bitching about. 

    But I didn't spend that money, so whatever get louder, or don't, I'm really only concerned with what happens inside the rectangle in the middle of the field, not what happens outside of it.


     
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    [QUOTE]Once upon a long time ago (198something or other), there was a drunken fan. Well . . .   the truth is, there were a lot of drunken fans. But this one particular drunken fan was singled out of a larger crowd of drunken, obnoxious fans who were hooting and throwing detritus (that's trash) at a small group of renegade 49ers fans who had unwisely located themselves in the northwest corner of what was then (fittingly) Schaefer Stadium. He was selected out of the large group and asked by a stadium security guy -- the company was First Security in those days, and this guy probably earned about five bucks an hour to stand with his back to the game and scowl -- to leave. Well . . .  the drunken fan had no intention of leaving. He had paid the princely sum of $8.00 for his endzone seat (in which he was not sitting) that day, and he politely told the First Security guy that he hadn't been doing anything everybody else wasn't doing and that the security guard could happily go f*ck himself. Apparently, the security guy took himself more seriously than the fan did, because it was at this point that he (the security guy) actually put his hands on the fan and attempted to drag him forcibly from the section. This is where the story gets interesting. Not amused in the least that this minimum-wage deuschebag had dared to become physical -- and very drunk -- the fan (not then far removed from his high school wrestling days) hooked the guy in a passable semblance of a chicken wing and threw his weight into the security guy, tumbling them both, locked together, down the risers of the stadium. When they got to the bottom, the situation might have escalated into something much uglier, but by this time, there was one of those nine-foot-tall state cops standing there, and this guy did not appear to have any sense of humor at all. He told the drunken fan that it was time to go and, much to his credit, the drunken fan agreed that it was so, and was quietly escorted to the nearest exit. Problem solved, yes? Well . . .   as it turned out . . .   no. Once outside the stadium and free to do as he wished again, the drunken fan noticed that the barbed wire which topped the chain link fence that seperated the concourse beneath the stadium from the parking lot did not extend over the backs of the concession stands, and that he could quite easily scale the concession stand, skitter across the roof and drop down into the concourse, thus winning his way back into the stadium -- he had, after all, paid his eight dollars. Well . . .   wouldn't you know it . . .   the very same cop who had just escorted him outside saw the drunken fan attempting this and shouted at him in disbelief, "Do you WANT to go to jail?" Obviously, drunk as he was, the drunken fan saw clearly this time that he was utterly defeated (although not yet under arrest) and clambered back down the fence, and went on his merry way back to the parking lot. Or would have . . . But it chanced that as he was passing by the south endzone, he noticed a high school marching band entering through a service gate in the chain link fence, obviously on hand to perform the halftime show. Inspiration struck the drunken fan, and he simply walked up behind the marching band and walked back into the stadium as if he had every right in the world to be there (which, having paid his eight dollars, he believed he did). He quickly hopped a low wall into the stands and snaked his way back to the northwest corner, where his friends were not in the least surprised to see him returned -- and where he kept a low profile for the rest of the game as the Pats were systematically throttled by the Niners and he got drunker and drunker as the day wore on (you could buy beer right up until the end of the game in those days, too). Ultimately (although there were no further incidents), the fan got so drunk that he got seperated from his friends in the crush leaving the game and actually got lost crossing the street -- you get that? HE GOT LOST CROSSING THE STREET --, and it took him two hours to find the lot (nothing but an open field among many in those days) where they had parked. This is an absolutely true story that has not been embellished in any way. I will leave it to you to guess who that drunken fan may or may not have been, and simply leave you with a question. What would you rather have: A fan base that is absolutely no help whatsoever to its team, or a stadium full of that guy -- who risked the very loss of his freedom multiple times, simply for the opportunity to cheer on a team that was an utter laughingstock? Yes, he was hopelessly inebriated; but he was passionate, that guy. I think that's what's missing. The passion. Either that, or I am entirely wrong.
    Posted by p-mike[/QUOTE]

    Drunk or not.  You gotta love that kind of passion.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady Not Happy With Gillete Crowd : Drunk or not.  You gotta love that kind of passion.
    Posted by Salcon[/QUOTE]

    I 2nd this. Great post Pmike.
     
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    I have the solution - VUVUZELAS for everyone!!!
     
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    Also, I believe Brady has every right to complain about fan noise.  He's a proven competitor and winner.  He knows the disadvantage he's been at in Indy and other places when his offense can't hear him.  False starts, time outs burned, etc. 

    That said, it's up to each person at the game to decide if and when they want to make some noise.  Hopefully, Brady's comments will get people fired up.  I think that's all he's looking for.
     
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    [QUOTE]If you don't think crowd noise plays a part in the game then you know nothing about football. End of story.
    Posted by MVPkilla4life[/QUOTE]
    Very true. Something not being talked about regarding the upcoming Jets game is how the crowd noise at the Meadowlands last year had a huge impact on them beating us.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady Not Happy With Gillete Crowd : Drink kool-aid instead of beer, you will save money!
    Posted by Rocky[/QUOTE]

    Haha! I would, but every time drink that stuff I only see Patriot Blue. Makes reading the traffic lights difficult.
     
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    [QUOTE]I gotta agree with Tom!  Watching the game on tv, the Patriots crowd is so low key, pathetic if you ask me.  Why isn't that excitement there?  Dang, even the KC crowd is louder than the NE crowd.  Did you see that Monday night, Rivers couldn't even hear.  And we are talking about KC!  NE fans have a lot more to cheer about than KC. You can bet the Jets crowd is going to be loud this weekend.
    Posted by BradyMossFan[/QUOTE]

    I live in the NYC area and the funny thing is, I can't watch TV without seeing advertisements for discounted Jets tickets...up to 50%.  I work with guys who are season ticket holders...two of them are trying to find a buyer for the remaining 15 games.

    Makes me happy :)


    They're not filling the stadium, but they will be loud.
     
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    as much money as you have to pay for tickets, you would think it might be worthwhile to stay and get your moneys worth, NOT TO MENTION ...IF YOU SAY YOU ARE A FAN...BE A FAN! Dont leave before the game is over, win or lose!
     
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    I think Brady ought keep his mouth shut and my comments would include people like Peyton Manning, etc. if they said the same thing.  Those attendees just paid Brady's salary.  They ought to be able to choose to do what they wish without reaction from anyone.  

    Now maybe Brady would be willing to buy up all of the single game tickets with his new contract money and hand them out to the fans who can't afford them and would be willing to stay for the entire game just for the experience.  Otherwise, I just find his comments a bit diva-ish.
     
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    Brady Not Happy With Gillete Crowd...........................
    .............that's because the fans that make a boatload of noise have been priced out of attending games. It costs 500 bucks a game for 4 people, and the club seats are 350 a pop if you sit there. Spanos is a putz and so is Kraft. Least they could do is pay Mankins,Jackson & McNeill.Greedy Basterds
     
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    As a Giants fan, I hope your Pats kick the snot out of the loud-mouth Jets this week.  I can't comment on Brady's allegations about Pats fans, never been up there, but his comment that Jets fans would stay in the stadium when up by 21 points is not accurate.  Jets fans are a fair-weathered bunch, trust me.  They might be loud, but for them, it is more about the tailgate than it is the game.  Please, make Rex Ryan eat crow this week.  He obviously has eaten everything else already!
     
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    [QUOTE]Really who gives sh*t what happens in the stands.  I don't, I'm a fan of the Patriots not the Patriots fans.  Personally, if I did feel like spending a months paycheck to go to the stadium and buy overpriced beer and food, and sit through 4 hours of traffic to support my team and donate my hard earned cash to pay the millionaire kid who plays a game for a living then I might not appreciate being scolded by him for not being a loud enough cheerleader or whatever he's bitching about.  But I didn't spend that money, so whatever get louder, or don't, I'm really only concerned with what happens inside the rectangle in the middle of the field, not what happens outside of it.
    Posted by shenanigan[/QUOTE]

    Thank you for finding the words for what is wrong with so many Pats fans. The thing is, what happens outside of your little rectangle DOES impact the game. To not understand or appreciate that shows a certain ignorance about football in general.

    It's not about cheering for the fans, it's about making noise, at the appropriate times, to help out the D. Players for decades comment on how they feed off of the electricity in the crowd. Other teams comments how difficult it is to play in a loud stadium. When the opposing team is facing a key third down, and the guard can't hear the center from 3 feet away, you really don't think that makes a difference? When the D then gets a stop, and the whole stadium erupts, you really don't think the players get pumped up from that?

    Red Sox players will tell you how each of the 81 home games feels like a playoff game. How much better it is (to MOST players, sans Fatty Wells) to play in a place where the fans are loud and passionate. I've heard players mention that they may be a little sluggish at points during the season, but the CROWD gets them pumped up.

    Perhaps you'd like to have the games played in a vacuum, but it would be impossible to ignore what would be lost having no fans or noise. Something has been lost at Gillette. It's too late to change the architecture. They aren't going to dramatically cut prices. But what they can do is actually encourage the fans to make noise. Even if they don't encourage it, they can at least stop security from puting a halt to it!

    What they need to do is have a nice, quiet room in the bowels of the stadium that is noise-proof. They can serve tea. Any fan being observed telling another fan to sit down, or be quiet, will silently be escorted to this room where nobody will make any noise, and they can watch the game in peace.

    Seriously people, is this golf or football?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady Not Happy With Gillete Crowd : Thank you for finding the words for what is wrong with so many Pats fans. The thing is, what happens outside of your little rectangle DOES impact the game. To not understand or appreciate that shows a certain ignorance about football in general. It's not about cheering for the fans, it's about making noise, at the appropriate times, to help out the D. Players for decades comment on how they feed off of the electricity in the crowd. Other teams comments how difficult it is to play in a loud stadium. When the opposing team is facing a key third down, and the guard can't hear the center from 3 feet away, you really don't think that makes a difference? When the D then gets a stop, and the whole stadium erupts, you really don't think the players get pumped up from that? Red Sox players will tell you how each of the 81 home games feels like a playoff game. How much better it is (to MOST players, sans Fatty Wells) to play in a place where the fans are loud and passionate. I've heard players mention that they may be a little sluggish at points during the season, but the CROWD gets them pumped up. Perhaps you'd like to have the games played in a vacuum, but it would be impossible to ignore what would be lost having no fans or noise. Something has been lost at Gillette. It's too late to change the architecture. They aren't going to dramatically cut prices. But what they can do is actually encourage the fans to make noise. Even if they don't encourage it, they can at least stop security from puting a halt to it! What they need to do is have a nice, quiet room in the bowels of the stadium that is noise-proof. They can serve tea. Any fan being observed telling another fan to sit down, or be quiet, will silently be escorted to this room where nobody will make any noise, and they can watch the game in peace. Seriously people, is this golf or football?
    Posted by ma6dragon9[/QUOTE]
    I am wondering how many players negotiated their best possible offer then gave back some of that money and stipulated in the contract that the money given back must go towards lowering ticket prices so that the loud rowdy fans who would to stay until games end regardless of score could afford the tickets to do so. 

    I am just going to assume that there aren't any contracts like that out there. 

    The fact is (like you said) that prices are not coming down.  At their current level throughout the league those prices limit the availability of games to the general public.  Those that can afford the games without personal financial sacrifice likely have interests outside of the team that have allowed them to accumulate the wealth necessary to afford the games without financial sacrifice.  Those outside interests may have something to do with them not cheering when you think they should because they are not focused on the game. 

    You may say, "then throw the bums out", and you would be emotionally correct, but not practically correct.  Those soft spoken rich people with outside interests beyond the pats are part of the reason your team has been so successful and why Brady just got the contract he did.  Colonel Jessup's tirade would appropriate right about now. 
     
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    [QUOTE] Posted on ESPN Boston by Mike Reiss: It’s a tough place to play. The Meadowlands is always a tough place to play," Brady replied. "The road environment is very different than our friendly home crowd, who, when I looked up, half the stadium was gone when we were up 21 points in the early fourth quarter, which I wasn’t so happy about. But I don’t think the Jets fans leave early. I had to listen to the game on the radio here in Texas and even the anouncers commented on how the crowd wasn't into the game.
    Posted by Salcon[/QUOTE]

    I think to say "Brady not happy with Gillete Crowd" is a bit over the top. He commented on the fact they some leave early...He wished that was not the case. This does not say he is unhappy, he did not comment on his anger or call out the fans....BS post!
     
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    I've seen Brady at Red Sox and Celtics games in the Past. I wonder if he stayed until the very end.(Doubt It) I'd hate to think that he was Pink hatted Hypocrite.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Brady Not Happy With Gillete Crowd : I think to say "Brady not happy with Gillete Crowd" is a bit over the top. He commented on the fact they some leave early...He wished that was not the case. This does not say he is unhappy, he did not comment on his anger or call out the fans....BS post!
    Posted by gmbill[/QUOTE]

    Your right Bill..It was more like a quick nutbreaking than an angry chastising.
     
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    I'm glad someone who is actually on the team called attention to it. Thanks Tom. 

    That said, I am pretty sure the people who leave early have a substantial cross-section of people who don't follow the team close to even know he said it.

    The final word on this would be the Krafts ....  the fans who would brave an extra 1/2 hour of traffic to see it through can't afford to go, let alone to buy season tix. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady Not Happy With Gillete Crowd : Thank you for finding the words for what is wrong with so many Pats fans. The thing is, what happens outside of your little rectangle DOES impact the game. To not understand or appreciate that shows a certain ignorance about football in general. It's not about cheering for the fans, it's about making noise, at the appropriate times, to help out the D. Players for decades comment on how they feed off of the electricity in the crowd. Other teams comments how difficult it is to play in a loud stadium. When the opposing team is facing a key third down, and the guard can't hear the center from 3 feet away, you really don't think that makes a difference? When the D then gets a stop, and the whole stadium erupts, you really don't think the players get pumped up from that? Red Sox players will tell you how each of the 81 home games feels like a playoff game. How much better it is (to MOST players, sans Fatty Wells) to play in a place where the fans are loud and passionate. I've heard players mention that they may be a little sluggish at points during the season, but the CROWD gets them pumped up. Perhaps you'd like to have the games played in a vacuum, but it would be impossible to ignore what would be lost having no fans or noise. Something has been lost at Gillette. It's too late to change the architecture. They aren't going to dramatically cut prices. But what they can do is actually encourage the fans to make noise. Even if they don't encourage it, they can at least stop security from puting a halt to it! What they need to do is have a nice, quiet room in the bowels of the stadium that is noise-proof. They can serve tea. Any fan being observed telling another fan to sit down, or be quiet, will silently be escorted to this room where nobody will make any noise, and they can watch the game in peace. Seriously people, is this golf or football?
    Posted by ma6dragon9[/QUOTE]
    You make an excellent point about why people shouldn't expect the crowd to be quiet during football.  Ofcourse neither me not anyone else has suggested that it should be quiet, or even that people shouldn't cheer (at the right times) for their team but I suppose arguing against the made up point in your head is easier than arguing against a real point. 

    If we're done telling everyone they are a pink hat, and patting ourselves on the back because "I'm always making noise, it's the guy next to me" and we have our posse together so we can go out and apparently lynch all the rich people in boston since they are our scapegoat for our crowd noise problem then I will clarify my point.

    I know when and why people should make noise, and I hope they do because I infact do when I go to games.  And I understand that this can lead to a marginal homefield advantage.  Sorry it's not huge, as important as we might like to think we are teams practice around this and generally don't have too much trouble.  The Seahawks are the loudest team in the NFL and they are not exactly busting out the wins at home, and the Superdome was loud even when the Saints were the Aints.  But yeah, if it could give your team an advantage than do it. 

    The thing is, we all know the problem is of course that the Pats have been winning for ten years and it has attracted a more casual and probably less informed type of fan to the stadium.  Now they could probably lower ticket prices but they're not going to.  However this string of fortune that the Patriots have had will not last forever and eventually the prices won't be so high and the people that come to the games to watch their team probably get their a** kicked will probably be a little more intense.  But I would not say something so absurd (as at least one person has said) that we need to start losing games so we can get the real fans here because as I stated above I am more interested in the Pats winning.

    So I guess if the price of being able to watch my team have a dynastic run is a few years of this casual fanbase than that is something I can live with.  Or at least it's something that I really don't feel like b*tching about and hearing everyone b*tch about during a week that the Pats just came off a great win against a good opponent and have another one coming up.  I'm too excited about this team to complain about this stuff this week, maybe next.
     

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