Brady record against some of our favorite teams.

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : Brady did absolutely NOTHING after their final score at the 11:20 point in the 3rd Qtr. GREAT Houdini immitation, if you ask me. He was not a SB quality QB after that: underthrowing a injured Gronk, the Welker throw, and the In Your Ankles heave to Branch. Yet, you'll continually blame Welker for "dropping a ball" that any TALLER/TALENTED WR would have difficulty catching.... Absolutely amazing! Enjoy Babe Land!
    Posted by AZPAT[/QUOTE]

    Hmmm. What did the D do in that same time period other than allowing the jints to score on 3 out of 4 drives and use 2/3rds of the clock doing that?
    Takes Defenses making stops too.  Doesn't always have to rest on the O who were 9 pts ahead at that point.  Does it?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : Hmmmm.... show em the quote from ANY sportswrite, TV commentator, or talking head that said that Welker caught the ball that hit him square in both hands.
    Posted by BabeParilli[/QUOTE]

    SURPRISE!  Those catches, when properly thrown, are SUPPOSED to be caught. Unless, of course, you happen to be Ochostinko, TO, or any otjher prima dona WR who's head barely fits into his helmet. But, when they don't you can just count and hear the excuses.
     
    Sorry, but Welker did not drop a pass that was:  1) timed to be caught right in his stride  2) perfectly thrown to his height (Not Brady's fault, as he always thought Welker was actulually 6'2", vs 5'8")  3) good enough to allow a catch and run, instead of falling down, even with an open field in front of him (well, in case, BEHIND him).

    Think about this: Brady badly underthrows an injured Gronk down the middle of the field, yet overthrows (and not in stride) a relatively wide open Welker.

    Yep! I see your confusion and conflict. YOU obviously have an issue with accepting the reality of what happened vs what you want to have happened, and the perception of who failed your hero. Get over it! 
     
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    [QUOTE]as much as redeyedjeti is an idiot troll....he is right that brady's brainfart safety in the super bowl went a long way towards helping the giants win that game.....it also didnt help that they didnt score a single point after that hernandez td.....too much pressure was put on the defense and they were saving the offenses' a ss over and over until the end.....really disappointing execution by the offense in that game....and in the ravens game too.
    Posted by BostonPride34[/QUOTE]

    Hi Rusty.

    You must be referring to the brainfart 7 on 4 lack of protection on that play. Oops, your bad.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : SURPRISE! Sorry, but Welker did not drop a pass that was:  1) timed to be caught right in his stride  2) perfectly thrown to his height (Not Brady's fault, as he always thought Welker was actulually 6'2", vs 5'8")  3) good enough to allow a catch and run, instead of falling down, even with an open field in front of him (well, in case, BEHIND him).
    Posted by AZPAT[/QUOTE]

    No, Welker did not drop a pass that was any of those things.

    He just dropped a pass that hit him square on both hands. High school kids can make that catch. Live with it.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : Saving the offense?  Are you really that stupid.  You mean with all of those three and outs they had?  Maybe you're talking about the extra rest they were giving the offense by staying on the field for so long.
    Posted by JetMangione[/QUOTE]

    It's about the points, Poindexter. Nothing wrong with making teh other guys chew up yards and the clock to come away empty. But, then we're talking Super  Bowls, something yiu have no knowledge of, other through hear say. (A lot has changed since 1969 and Joe Willie. First off, they have face masks, it's the 21st Century, someone wasn't paying attention and elected an unknown/not vetted minority as President of the US, Iraq, Afghanistan, can't safely go see the new Batman movie........)
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : It's about the points, Poindexter. Nothing wrong with making teh other guys chew up yards and the clock to come away empty. But, then we're talking Super  Bowls, something yiu have no knowledge of, other through hear say. (A lot has changed since 1969 and Joe Willie. First off, they have face masks, it's the 21st Century, someone wasn't paying attention and elected an unknown/not vetted minority as President of the US, Iraq, Afghanistan, can't safely go see the new Batman movie........)
    Posted by AZPAT[/QUOTE]

    Tell us AZPAT... on what points do you disagree with Rusty?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : No, Welker did not drop a pass that was any of those things. He just dropped a pass that hit him square on both hands. High school kids can make that catch. Live with it.
    Posted by BabeParilli[/QUOTE]

    May I suggest you take that single picture down off the wall and look at and run the tape of the whole play, show isolation on Welker? Looping it may greatly help you out.
     
    A HS player could have caught that pass ONLY IF: 1) he was standing at the spot and only had to jump for the ball  2) the HS player was at least 6' tall  3) the ball was thrown no higher that what it was to Welker  4) he was wearing the newest edition of the Air Jordan $2500 "athletic shoes".

    There is no shame in admitting that one got away. What's your Brady "excuse" for the badly underthrown Gronk toss/INT? I'll bet that would be a knee slapper too!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : im not rusty and im not bashing brady....i just do believe that play was big in that game.....did it decide the whole game? no.....but you also cant expect to win if you dont score a point after the third quarter....the defense was allowing field goals....with an offense as explosive as the patriots, that should be fine.....the gronk injury did hurt, but still, the offensive performance was very very disappointing....the two biggest games over the past 5 years, they manage 14 and 17 points....the defense wasnt perfect, it did allow the last drive to go the distance....but the defense played good enough to win that game, the offense did not...it is as simple as that....I am as big a fan of brady as anyone, and maybe i am holding him to too high of a standard....but he just wasnt good in the super bowl and he was flat out awful against the ravens....
    Posted by BostonPride34[/QUOTE]

    And what is your position on the very low number of possessions in the game due to the defenses' inability to get off the field?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. :  What's your Brady "excuse" for the badly underthrown Gronk toss/INT? I'll bet that would be a knee slapper too!
    Posted by AZPAT[/QUOTE]

    That ball didn't hit Gronk in both hands and then be dropped. Bad pass obviously.



     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : Does saving their azz mean allowing the jints to score on half of their possessions  (75% in the second half) and keeping the O on the sidelines, cold, for 2/3rds of the game?
    Posted by pezz4pats[/QUOTE]

    Uh, I may be wrong, but last year's D was NOT a "three and out, kick their butts all game long" defense. How many games did we see, against playoff caliber teams, where they held on at the end, or the O came up with the game winning drive? 

    They had nothing to do with the record seting offense making vacation plans after their last score at the 11:20 mark of the 3rd. No one is ever going to confuse last year's Giants D with any HOF D. yet, only 17 points? Gimme a break!  
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. :  Nothing wrong with making teh other guys chew up yards and the clock to come away empty.
    Posted by AZPAT[/QUOTE]


    Nothing wrong with the 31st rated D letting the other team control the clock and keep the ball away from your 3rd rated offense?


     
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    It's about the points, Poindexter. Nothing wrong with making teh other guys chew up yards and the clock to come away empty

    Did you honestly just say that?
    Yes there's something very wrong with that. (see 31st ranking)
    For every minute they are allowing yards and chewing up clock, they are taking away minutes from the offense so that they can score those points.
    Do you know chewing up yards and clock are a result of a complete defensive breakdown.  
    THEY HAVE TO GET THE BALL BACK TO THE O SO THAT THEY CAN SCORE.  WOW! 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : How many games did we see, against playoff caliber teams, where they held on at the end, or the O came up with the game winning drive?
    Posted by AZPAT[/QUOTE]


    How many teams did we beat during the season with an overall winning record?


    We saw the D collapse "at the end" in 3 of our 4 losses last year.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : That ball didn't hit Gronk in both hands and then be dropped. Bad pass obviously.
    Posted by BabeParilli[/QUOTE]


    NO!!!!!! I can't believe it! ALMOST an agreement!

    Now, just come out and say that BRADY badly underthrew that ball. I'll take a pass on how they would have acored if either Grink caught it or if no one was able to, because that record breaking O was not going to be denied.

    But, in reviewing this play, yiu can see what happens when a throw ball is thrown in a spot where a player can catch it in stride and stay on his feet. Too bad the player was in the other team's uniform.......

    There's some hope for you.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : Tell us AZPAT... on what points do you disagree with Rusty?
    Posted by BabeParilli[/QUOTE]

    Which Rusty? I know you oike to play the "You're Spartacus! No, YOU'RE Spartacus! No, wait, you're Spartacus, by God!" game.
     
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    Will the real Rusty please stand up.....Please stand up..
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : Nothing wrong with the 31st rated D letting the other team control the clock and keep the ball away from your 3rd rated offense?
    Posted by BabeParilli[/QUOTE]

    No issue with this 3rd rated O scoring only 17 poiints on a 28th ranked D?

    Naw.......
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : No one is ever going to confuse last year's Giants D with any HOF D. yet, only 17 points? Gimme a break!  
    Posted by AZPAT[/QUOTE]


    Are you familiar with the concept that the game was low scoring because the inability of our D to get off the field limited the number of possessions for the offense?
     
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    Are you familiar with the concept that the game was low scoring because the inability of our D to get off the field limited the number of possessions for the offense?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : Are you familiar with the concept that the game was low scoring because the inability of our D to get off the field limited the number of possessions for the offense?
    Posted by BabeParilli[/QUOTE]

    So the offense scored every time they had the ball?
     
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    [QUOTE]It's about the points, Poindexter. Nothing wrong with making teh other guys chew up yards and the clock to come away empty Did you honestly just say that? Yes there's something very wrong with that. (see 31st ranking) For every minute they are allowing yards and chewing up clock, they are taking away minutes from the offense so that they can score those points. Do you know chewing up yards and clock are a result of a complete defensive breakdown.   THEY HAVE TO GET THE BALL BACK TO THE O SO THAT THEY CAN SCORE.  WOW! 
    Posted by pezz4pats[/QUOTE]

    So, tell us what the O did with the ball after the 11:20 point in the 3rd? Be precise, now.

    Also, I seem to recall that, pre-SB, some of us were voicing our apprehension about going into the SB with THIS defense. What were we told? They "moved up? from 32 to 31, and were "getting better". Seems to me that if you own the 31st ranked defense, the offfense (they of record breaking proportions and fame, no less), needs to step it up to "protect" them. But, you can be satisfied with 17 points against a 28th ranked defense.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : Uh, I may be wrong, but last year's D was NOT a "three and out, kick their butts all game long" defense. How many games did we see, against playoff caliber teams, where they held on at the end, or the O came up with the game winning drive?  They had nothing to do with the record seting offense making vacation plans after their last score at the 11:20 mark of the 3rd. No one is ever going to confuse last year's Giants D with any HOF D. yet, only 17 points? Gimme a break!  
    Posted by AZPAT[/QUOTE]

    No , but they did get 3 & outs and were very efficient on turn-overs, during the reg season
    I would expect the same during the play-offs
    They averaged 2.6 turn-overs a game during the reg season but only grabbed 2 during the whole play-offs.  Not acceptable!
    There extremely poor showing during the reg season was much worse during the play-offs.
    Hard to win with half the team pulling you down.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : so you're telling me they didnt get the ball enough times between 11:20 left in the third quarter and the end of the game to get ONE score???? dont be rediculous, the defense obviously didnt get off the field quick alot....but holding the giants to field goals is better than what the offense contrubuted....ZERO points in the last 26 minutes??? that is pathetic.
    Posted by BostonPride34[/QUOTE]

    Do you feel the defense allowing the Giants to score on 75% of their drives in the second half is acceptable?


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : Are you familiar with the concept that the game was low scoring because the inability of our D to get off the field limited the number of possessions for the offense?
    Posted by BabeParilli[/QUOTE]

    Not counting the last posession the offense had the ball 8 times. Those 8 times included 2 3 and outs, a safety and an interception. Add one other punt and you get the offense at a minus 2 points on 5 out of their 8 posessions.

    But that's the defense's fault right?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : they had more than enough possessions to get more than 17 points....its also difficult when you gag your first possession away while also giving the other team two points and the ball.
    Posted by BostonPride34[/QUOTE]

    No they didn't.

    They scored more per drive than they did in a winning Super Bowl.

    Explain that.

    Poor 7 on 4 blocking giving up two points is a bad thing. Do you think that is as bad as negating a turnover that subsequently allowed a TD with a 12 man penalty?
     
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