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    Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams.

    posted at 8/15/2012 1:39 PM EDT

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    In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : a safety is worse than a turnover.
    Posted by BostonPride34



    Rusty, first, take that up with the 7 blockers.

    A safety is the same thing as a punt, other than the 2 points.
     

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    Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams.

    posted at 8/15/2012 1:40 PM EDT

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    In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : No turn-overs by a team that averaged 2.6 a game is more pathetic.. Only 1 would have won the game.  Imagine what 2.6 would have done and 4 more scoring possessions.   Wow , they would have blown them out.
    Posted by pezz4pats



    Imagine if the D didn't negate the fumble with a 12 man penalty.
     

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    Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams.

    posted at 8/15/2012 1:41 PM EDT

    the pats offense had a chance to ice the game with three minutes left and they DIDNT

    Correction, the pats O had a chance TO WIN IN THE LAST 57 SECONDS and didn't  That was immediately after the D gifted the jints the lead so that they could get the ball back.
     

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    Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams.

    posted at 8/15/2012 1:45 PM EDT

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    In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : oh so holding the giants to field goals while the offense was gagging every possession away wasnt "helping" them enough? ok gotcha.
    Posted by BostonPride34


    2 field goals and 1 td., please be accurate.  And every point counts if you score on 3 of 4 possessions and down by 9.
     

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    Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams.

    posted at 8/15/2012 1:45 PM EDT

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    In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : .but what does it say about the offense that they signed FOUR new receivers and TWO new tight ends this offseason?
    Posted by BostonPride34


    It says they got Lloyd at a bargain and the others for even less. It says Welker is a franchise player that could have held out. It says Ocho was useless. It says Branch is over the hill.
     

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    Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams.

    posted at 8/15/2012 1:47 PM EDT

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    In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. :  and yes you always want to improve the defense no matter how good it is.
    Posted by BostonPride34


    Are you trying to say using every draft pick you have on defense is a sign you are just trying to improve an already good defense? C'mon Rusty. That's ridiculous.
     

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    Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams.

    posted at 8/15/2012 1:48 PM EDT

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    In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : a safety is worse than a turnover....in most turnovers the opposing team isnt guaranteed points unless it is returned for a TD....in this case the giants were given two points before they even got the ball....so they get two points AND the ball in good field position....so explain again how a safety isnt a turnover?
    Posted by BostonPride34


    A safety is NOT considered a turn-over!
     

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    Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams.

    posted at 8/15/2012 1:49 PM EDT

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    In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : yeah so you are just ignoring the possession that happened right before that right? the possession that made it possible for the giants to get the ball back..
    Posted by BostonPride34



    You mean the one where Welker dropped the Lombardi trophy?
     

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    Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams.

    posted at 8/15/2012 1:49 PM EDT

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    In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : A safety is NOT considered a turn-over!
    Posted by pezz4pats



    It is to Rusty.
     

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    Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams.

    posted at 8/15/2012 1:52 PM EDT

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    In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : oh so its the defenses fault that they didnt force three turnovers against an offense that was playing much more efficient than their own.....well if eli was throwing up prayers like brady was, pats defense may have had more opportunities to get turnovers....the 12 man penalty on the defense was a killer, but the game wasnt lost their.....the offense had plenty of chances to take the game over and they didnt.....by saying you blame the defense you are basically giving a pass to the offense....the side of the ball where all the money is tied up on this team..
    Posted by BostonPride34


    Yes, it's the defenses fault they did not get a single turn over or a single 6 & out and made eli look like montana.  Who's fault would that be if not the D's?  Brady's?  LMAO@U
     

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    Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams.

    posted at 8/15/2012 1:52 PM EDT

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    In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : yes, every point counts....which is why you cant afford to cough up possessions the way the pats did to start the 1st AND 4th quarters
    Posted by BostonPride34


    Which is why a defense that got 2.6 turnovers a game can't get zero.

    Which is why a defense can't get a stupid 12 man penalty negating a fumble recovery and allowing 7 points.
     

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    Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams.

    posted at 8/15/2012 1:53 PM EDT

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    In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : No turn-overs by a team that averaged 2.6 a game is more pathetic.. Only 1 would have won the game.  Imagine what 2.6 would have done and 4 more scoring possessions.   Wow , they would have blown them out.
    Posted by pezz4pats


    You should never rely on turnovers to win a game. You should rely on your ability to score points and stop the other team from scoring points to win games. We held to below our average on D. We barely scored half of our average on O.

    Your falling apart pezz.
     

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    Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams.

    posted at 8/15/2012 1:53 PM EDT

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    In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : yes, i dont care whos fault you think that was on....that drive would have iced the game and the most reliable combination in the game couldnt connect on the biggest play of the season.
    Posted by BostonPride34


    I have no excuses for Welker. He dropped it. But the D could have saved him if they didn't fold in the endgame as they usually do.
     

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    Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams.

    posted at 8/15/2012 1:56 PM EDT

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    In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : You should never rely on turnovers to win a game. You should rely on your ability to score points and stop the other team from scoring points to win games. We held to below our average on D. We barely scored half of our average on O. Your falling apart pezz.
    Posted by TrueChamp


    The average NFL team gets 1.5 turnovers a game Truechump. Of course we did in fact get one of those. But it was negated by a stupid 12 man penalty on the D. Do you think a 12 man penalty allowing 7 points is what we "should" do?
     

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    Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams.

    posted at 8/15/2012 1:57 PM EDT

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    In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : yeah so you are just ignoring the possession that happened right before that right? the possession that made it possible for the giants to get the ball back....all they needed was one more first down and the game would have been over. no matter who you want to blame for the brady-welker blunder....they messed up and it cost them the game.
    Posted by BostonPride34


    The Possession before that was the ONLY time the jints DIDN"T score in the second half.  There's no guarantee you are going to score on every possession (most teams only score on 1/3rd of them).  (unless you are the jints playing the Pats D , apparently)
     

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    Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams.

    posted at 8/15/2012 1:58 PM EDT

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    In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : the giants didnt make as many stupid mistakes on offense that the pats did....its not like the giants defense was causing turnovers all night long....there was a horrible pass downfield that was intercepted, and a brainfart safety....both could have been avoided if brady used his brain on those two plays.
    Posted by BostonPride34


    Speaking of stupid mistakes.... was there anything in the whole game as stupid as the D taking a 12 man penalty negating a fumble recovery and allowing 7 points?
     

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    Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams.

    posted at 8/15/2012 2:02 PM EDT

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    In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : doesnt matter if it is or isnt considered a turn-over....you hand the other team two points AND the ball....it isnt a good thing, thats for damn sure.
    Posted by BostonPride34



    No it's not a good thing, but neither is a D that's on the field 2/3rds of the game, robbing the O of precious scoring opportunities.
    4 lost possessions is worse than a safety and a turn-over
      Twice as bad!  Add in the 50% scoring completion and you're really screwed.
     

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    Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams.

    posted at 8/15/2012 2:08 PM EDT

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    In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : a 12 man penalty is a coaching blunder, not a defensive blunder....and both offensive blunders were just as stupid, if not more.
    Posted by BostonPride34


    That's just pure BS!

    Poor blocking happens often enough.

    And all QBs throw interceptions. Brady's 1 INT in 41 passes for that game is an exceptionally good pass/int rate. The 2011 NFL average was 1 in 33.

    And by what authority do you say the 12 man was a coaching error?

     

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    posted at 8/15/2012 2:10 PM EDT

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    In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : they were on the field most of the time because the offense couldnt stay on the field..
    Posted by BostonPride34


    More nonsense. They were on the field because almost every Giant drive was 4-6 minutes long.
     

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    Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams.

    posted at 8/15/2012 2:10 PM EDT

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    In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : You should never rely on turnovers to win a game. You should rely on your ability to score points and stop the other team from scoring points to win games. We held to below our average on D. We barely scored half of our average on O. Your falling apart pezz.
    Posted by TrueChamp


    Relying on the D to get the ball back is expected, whether they do it with 3rd downs or picks or fumbles.  It is expected.  Relying on the O to win every game is ludicrous.  Hard to win with half a team!
    You would expect more than 8 possessions to score in as the average is 12.
    You would also expect a lower possession game to be a lower scoring game unless you are blind as a bat.  Even then you should have the ability to listen, as bats have exceptional hearing.
    You refuse to see or listen to any one including BB.  Shame on you!
     

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    Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams.

    posted at 8/15/2012 2:13 PM EDT

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    In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. :  if they were to win super bowl 46, it would have been in spite of him, not because of him.
    Posted by BostonPride34



    Two TDs and a 100 passer rating going into the hail mary drive despite Gronk being useless and despite numerous drops wouldn't be winning because of him?

    Learn the game.

     

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    Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams.

    posted at 8/15/2012 2:15 PM EDT

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    In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : No , but they did get 3 & outs and were very efficient on turn-overs, during the reg season I would expect the same during the play-offs They averaged 2.6 turn-overs a game during the reg season but only grabbed 2 during the whole play-offs.  Not acceptable! There extremely poor showing during the reg season was much worse during the play-offs. Hard to win with half the team pulling you down.
    Posted by pezz4pats


    Funny thing about "numers". Here are some for you:

    YPG (offense): Reg season  428    SB  359  (- 50 under avg)
    Scoring:          Reg season  32.1   SB  17  (47% below avg)
    TD/game:        Reg season  3.6    SB   2  (45% below avg)


    Ah, but now let's look at Brady's comparrisons (you know, something you can't blame the D for):

    Pass YPG:     Reg season  318    SB  276  (40 yds less)

    Keep in mind, all this against the 28th ranked defense in the league. Stellar performance! Then there was the three and out with under 7 minutes left in the  3rd Qtr with a 17-12 lead (remamber, they had gone up 17-9, and gave up a FG. It was time to make a statement, grab control of the game, show 'em who the boss was.... NOT go 3 and out. Then there was the ill advised, poorly thrown toss to Gronk that killed another possession (5th play on that possession). But, they saved their best for the end: 11 play, 48 yard 5:31 possession ending up in a punt (let me remind you: they had 1st and 10 on the Giant 44 yardline, and got 1, ONE, UNO, yard, and had to punt. HOF caliber stuff from an All World QB.

    A reminder is what you need. When a team goes into a game with a world beating, record setting offense, they need to play up to it, especially when playing against a 28th ranked defense, NOT have less than 23 minutes of possession time. This game was billed as the battle of the bad defenses; no other SB had both contenders with such lowly rated defenses. Guess their defense played a lot better. After all, 28 IS better than 31, even in the People's Republic.  

    So, be careful when you want to play with numbers. Know ALL of them!
     

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    Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams.

    posted at 8/15/2012 2:15 PM EDT

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    In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : the 12 man penalty was a coaching error because they couldnt get that player off the field fast enough and by the time he was running off it was too late.
    Posted by BostonPride34


    So the player messed up and because they couldn't get him to correct his screwup fast enough it's on them?
     

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    Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams.

    posted at 8/15/2012 2:16 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams.:
    In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : Funny thing about "numers". Here are some for you: YPG (offense): Reg season  428    SB  359  (- 50 under avg) Scoring:          Reg season  32.1   SB  17  (47% below avg) TD/game:        Reg season  3.6    SB   2  (45% below avg) Ah, but now let's look at Brady's comparrisons (you know, something you can't blame the D for): Pass YPG:     Reg season  318    SB  276  (40 yds less) Keep in mind, all this against the 28th ranked defense in the league. Stellar performance! Then there was the three and out with under 7 minutes left in the  3rd Qtr with a 17-12 lead (remamber, they had gone up 17-9, and gave up a FG. It was time to make a statement, grab control of the game, show 'em who the boss was.... NOT go 3 and out. Then there was the ill advised, poorly thrown toss to Gronk that killed another possession (5th play on that possession). But, they saved their best for the end: 11 play, 48 yard 5:31 possession ending up in a punt (let me remind you: they had 1st and 10 on the Giant 44 yardline, and got 1, ONE, UNO, yard, and had to punt. HOF caliber stuff from an All World QB. A reminder is what you need. When a team goes into a game with a world beating, record setting offense, they need to play up to it, especially when playing against a 28th ranked defense, NOT have less than 23 minutes of possession time. This game was billed as the battle of the bad defenses; no other SB had both contenders with such lowly rated defenses. Guess their defense played a lot better. After all, 28 IS better than 31, even in the People's Republic.   So, be careful when you want to play with numbers. Know ALL of them!
    Posted by AZPAT


    And how many possessions did the offense have compared to "normal"? Hmmm?


     

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    Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams.

    posted at 8/15/2012 2:19 PM EDT

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    In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : "hard to win with half a team" -exactly how the patriots defense felt after super bowl 46
    Posted by BostonPride34


    Why don't you go away and check their defensive stats and come back and say that.  Also re-watch the game and you will see that the Pats were ahead up until the last pathetic jints drive. (as usual)