Brady should holdout.

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    How about just do what we did in 2007.  Bring in as many guns as possible. Brady will thrive and the team will get past this AFC championship game.  I blame Kraft.  He is a creepy know it all cheapskate who lucked out with Bill.  He would be the most hated owner in sports if this had not happened. The creep wanted to build a stadium in Hartford and leave Boston. People forget.

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    Won't work. Back then we still had some good defenders from Carrol/Parcells with some gas in the tank. Now we just have BB's bad draft picks and dumpster diving spare parts.

    It's over, and has been for years. Even Brady can't overcome BB's mistakes.

     

     
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    A healthy Gronk and this thread doesn't exist. 

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    3 years in a row.  No plan going forward can include Gronk as part of the plan.  If he plays - bonus!

     
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    Can Brady move and throw the deep ball as well as he could earlier in his career?  No, probably not.  Can Manning? Can Brees? No, but still top QB's in the league.  Brady is still a very accurate passer, maybe not as much on the deeper routes but on the shorter routes he is.  Brady carries the team on his back every season. 

    Please tell me another QB who could come in here and lead this team to the seasons Brady has?  There aren't any! Not with this defense.  Now how many SB's do you think Brady would have if he was playing with the 49'ers D or the Seahawks D?  How about with the weapons Manning has?  Come one guys, Brady isn't the problem here, he still gives this team a big advantage over other teams, just need to give him some more help and tools to work with.

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    Brady would have 5 rings if Asante Samuel and Wes Welker could catch

     
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    He should demand a trade and if it isn't forthcoming he should holdout. His legacy is withering before our eyes because the GM is just some f'n guy. It is ridiculous the crap BB has surrounded Brady with.

    Either that, or Kraft should man up and put his foot down.

    Somebody needs to stop this madness of mediocrity that is our GM.

    You will never see another Lombardi as long as BB is GM.

     



    So Mankins, Seymour etc. are all douchebags for holding out, but you are encouraging Tom to do the exact same thing.  And you wonder why some people here think you are more of a Brady fan than a fan of the team.

     
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    He should demand a trade and if it isn't forthcoming he should holdout. His legacy is withering before our eyes because the GM is just some f'n guy. It is ridiculous the crap BB has surrounded Brady with.

    Either that, or Kraft should man up and put his foot down.

    Somebody needs to stop this madness of mediocrity that is our GM.

    You will never see another Lombardi as long as BB is GM.

     

     

     

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    Clueless as always

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    Really your imbecility should have been ignored long ago. That I have tarried this long is a testament to my patience. Fool ignored.

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    lol that I am taking my crayons and going home because I might have to defend my mornic statements type of attitude is perfectly fitting for your stupidity.

    You are such a fraud

     
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    He should demand a trade and if it isn't forthcoming he should holdout. His legacy is withering before our eyes because the GM is just some f'n guy. It is ridiculous the crap BB has surrounded Brady with.

    Either that, or Kraft should man up and put his foot down.

    Somebody needs to stop this madness of mediocrity that is our GM.

    You will never see another Lombardi as long as BB is GM.

     

     

     

     




     

    Babe, Tom cant even hit open receivers downfield anymore. Edelman deep left third, Collie right sideline, Edelman in the Endzone, Vereen button hook middle, ALL BLATANT MISSES by a QB who just doesnt have it when it comes to accuracy consistancy anymore. He has no mobility and is a big reason for yesterday's loss. Be real. If he wants to be the guy, then hes has to be the guy. No excuses. I Love Tom for what he has done, but yesterday was one of his worst games as a PAT When it comes to making the play. No meaningful big wins in 10 years is a long time now and he's gettting less effective no matter who he throws too. He's missing them. he's been terrible on deep balls for years now. Open receivers always are missed when running deep. We see it almost every single game. Not even close! Face the facts.  Peyton made him look pedestrian. Tom is immobile and innacurate in AFC CHAMPIONSHIP games. Unnacceptable. Next man up!!! 

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    without Tom Brady you win 8 games a year

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    That's being EXTREMELY generous!

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    except we've already won more than 8 without him before. You are an imbecile.

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    Ya, they actually had most of the 2007 receivers and most of the 2007 defense back then in 2008.  How long ago was that, again?  Who's the imbecile, now?

    Maybe you don't know bottom ranked receivers and Defenses without a QB, don't win a lot of games?

    Is there some way I can help you understand that?  I'd be glad to help.

     

     
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    Brady hasn't won a big game in a decade.  He should probably lay low.

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    In the last two SB's he put the Pats up with less then 3mins left in the game. Wish we had a D that could hold a team once to win the SB.

     
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    Can Brady move and throw the deep ball as well as he could earlier in his career?  No, probably not.  Can Manning? Can Brees? No, but still top QB's in the league.  Brady is still a very accurate passer, maybe not as much on the deeper routes but on the shorter routes he is.  Brady carries the team on his back every season. 

    Please tell me another QB who could come in here and lead this team to the seasons Brady has?  There aren't any! Not with this defense.  Now how many SB's do you think Brady would have if he was playing with the 49'ers D or the Seahawks D?  How about with the weapons Manning has?  Come one guys, Brady isn't the problem here, he still gives this team a big advantage over other teams, just need to give him some more help and tools to work with.




    TFB, good post. No denying your point here, BUT will he be better at what you describe at 37, 38? God knows I wish he could be, but the older he gets the faster the Defenses get. He doesn't have enough mobility/diversity. Not his fault. I LOVE TOM! BB just needs to get the next guy ready for 2015. Tom won't be as good then as he was this year and that wont be good enough no matter who hes throwing it to. Next year is his last, best chance and we all need to get use to that sooner than later. WHO really wants to see him two years from now even if he is as good as this year? The reason for so many great comebacks this year can be attributed to his aweful starts all season long. It was unnerving. I know I sound sacriligious, but its true.  

     
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    He should demand a trade and if it isn't forthcoming he should holdout. His legacy is withering before our eyes because the GM is just some f'n guy. It is ridiculous the crap BB has surrounded Brady with.

    Either that, or Kraft should man up and put his foot down.

    Somebody needs to stop this madness of mediocrity that is our GM.

    You will never see another Lombardi as long as BB is GM.

     

     

     

     




     

    Babe, Tom cant even hit open receivers downfield anymore. Edelman deep left third, Collie right sideline, Edelman in the Endzone, Vereen button hook middle, ALL BLATANT MISSES by a QB who just doesnt have it when it comes to accuracy consistancy anymore. He has no mobility and is a big reason for yesterday's loss. Be real. If he wants to be the guy, then hes has to be the guy. No excuses. I Love Tom for what he has done, but yesterday was one of his worst games as a PAT When it comes to making the play. No meaningful big wins in 10 years is a long time now and he's gettting less effective no matter who he throws too. He's missing them. he's been terrible on deep balls for years now. Open receivers always are missed when running deep. We see it almost every single game. Not even close! Face the facts.  Peyton made him look pedestrian. Tom is immobile and innacurate in AFC CHAMPIONSHIP games. Unnacceptable. Next man up!!! 

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    without Tom Brady you win 8 games a year

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    That's being EXTREMELY generous!

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    except we've already won more than 8 without him before. You are an imbecile.

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    Ya, they actually had most of the 2007 receivers and most of the 2007 defense back then in 2008.  How long ago was that, again?  Who's the imbecile, now?

    Maybe you don't know bottom ranked receivers and Defenses without a QB, don't win a lot of games?

    Is there some way I can help you understand that?  I'd be glad to help.

     

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    That 2008 team had a joke schedule. They played both the NFC West and AFC West that year who were both terrible. The only team out of both divisions that had a winning record was the Cards, and they played us on the road after they had clinched.

     

     
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    A healthy Gronk and this thread doesn't exist. 

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    3 years in a row.  No plan going forward can include Gronk as part of the plan.  If he plays - bonus!

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    Hard to believe that 12 mos ago we had the best TE tandem in the league. 

     
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    A healthy Gronk and this thread doesn't exist. 

     




     

    3 years in a row.  No plan going forward can include Gronk as part of the plan.  If he plays - bonus!



    Hard to believe that 12 mos ago we had the best TE tandem in the league. 

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    I believe that this team will be top 2-3 next season without a doubt. With health, maybe the favorites once again.  I believe that they could win a Super Bowl with TB at QB. I believe that it it should and will be TB's last full year as a starter no matter what. Whats so crazy about a guy saying enough when he is 38 And retiring from the NFL? It will be in everyone's best interests. TB will want to go while he is considered capable. That time is upon us. Let it go with the Tom can be the best forever stuff. He had an average year for him this year and it aint getting better. 

     
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    Brady hasn't won a big game in a decade.  He should probably lay low.



    In the last two SB's he put the Pats up with less then 3mins left in the game. Wish we had a D that could hold a team once to win the SB.

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    He'll be 37 soon and youre talking about games played many years ago. Not relevant to today's realities. One QB has won a Super Bowl at this age, Elway. Peyton could, but I think not. Todays Tom must be better tomorrow and thats not reasonable. At best, he gets us there next season. After that, Bill's gotta have the next guy ready.  

     
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    Completely mind-boggling and rediculous to blame Tom Brady for this loss. This was a massive talent mismatch and should have easily been a double digit point spread. It is also equally rediculous to call out Bellichick who probably just coached his best season that he ever has. The losses were monumental and non-stop all year long. No team can overcome that. Let's play this game again full strength with Gronk, Mayo, Wilfork, Talib. The Pats still might lose but it would be damn close. Also, the Miami loss proved to be devastating as this game could have been in Foxboro.

     
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    How about just do what we did in 2007.  Bring in as many guns as possible. Brady will thrive and the team will get past this AFC championship game.  I blame Kraft.  He is a creepy know it all cheapskate who lucked out with Bill.  He would be the most hated owner in sports if this had not happened. The creep wanted to build a stadium in Hartford and leave Boston. People forget.

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    Won't work. Back then we still had some good defenders from Carrol/Parcells with some gas in the tank. Now we just have BB's bad draft picks and dumpster diving spare parts.

    It's over, and has been for years. Even Brady can't overcome BB's mistakes.

     

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    The dumpster parts you refer to are better in most cases than you think. Playmakers is what we need. Playmakers is what we had in 2007.  My guess is this is what we will get.  Bill knows he can't go on with this receiving core.

     
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    without Tom Brady you win 8 games a year

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    That's being EXTREMELY generous!

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    except we've already won more than 8 without him before. You are an imbecile.

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    Ya, they actually had most of the 2007 receivers and most of the 2007 defense back then in 2008.  How long ago was that, again?  Who's the imbecile, now?

    Maybe you don't know bottom ranked receivers and Defenses without a QB, don't win a lot of games?

    Is there some way I can help you understand that?  I'd be glad to help.

     

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    Excuses excuses, what are you taking a page from Rusty's book? 

    Gints said the pats would win 8 a year, not this or last year. A year. They have already proven that statement and yours about that statement being generous false. Do you need me to try and explain that to you further?

    How is the QB great if the WR's are bottom ranked, they go hand in hand in the rankings geneally speaking. They both collectively do well or poorly together typically.

    Or... don't you remember the defense carrying this years team for the 1st quarter of the season or so. Oh wait I remember you are one of those guys who only remembers the very last thing he saw happen in a game and that is your take on it's entirety so it stands to reason that is your approach on an entire season as well.

    Yes you are still an imbecile.

     
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    How about just do what we did in 2007.  Bring in as many guns as possible. Brady will thrive and the team will get past this AFC championship game.  I blame Kraft.  He is a creepy know it all cheapskate who lucked out with Bill.  He would be the most hated owner in sports if this had not happened. The creep wanted to build a stadium in Hartford and leave Boston. People forget.

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    Won't work. Back then we still had some good defenders from Carrol/Parcells with some gas in the tank. Now we just have BB's bad draft picks and dumpster diving spare parts.

    It's over, and has been for years. Even Brady can't overcome BB's mistakes.

     

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    The dumpster parts you refer to are better in most cases than you think. Playmakers is what we need. Playmakers is what we had in 2007.  My guess is this is what we will get.  Bill knows he can't go on with this receiving core.

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    Even if that happens, which is a big if, we have a crap defense.

    Lots of holes to fill.

     
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    A lot of the ineptitude that Brady had to deal with had to do with injuries and a murderous tight end. 

     
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    They'll be better next season, they'll get Gronk and Mayo back and a chance to sign a CB that isn't made of wet paper in the playoffs.

     

    Brady did miss a ton of open receivers yesterday, including a hobbled Dobson who had the inside track on the safety and old man Bailey struggling to keep up with him on the outside. We can attribute much of Brady's inaccuracies to chemistry, though he hasn't been very good at the deep ball since he came back from injuries, but he'll have a whole summer to work with Dobson, Collie, Thompkins, Edelman and the pityful Amendola. He really needs to work on his deep ball with Dobson, he has a guy who has the ability to go deep...USE HIM!

     

    You can win every year and the chances that the Pats were going to win with their best offensive skilled position player(Gronk), best defensive players at every level ('Fork on the DL, Mayo at LB and then Talib in the DB) out was asking for too much.

     

    Great season, always next year.

     
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    Last offseason, Brady worked with Edelman and Amendola in the summer and their chemistry showed. This season, he HAS to get Dobson in the fold!

     
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    without Tom Brady you win 8 games a year

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    That's being EXTREMELY generous!

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    except we've already won more than 8 without him before. You are an imbecile.

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    Ya, they actually had most of the 2007 receivers and most of the 2007 defense back then in 2008.  How long ago was that, again?  Who's the imbecile, now?

    Maybe you don't know bottom ranked receivers and Defenses without a QB, don't win a lot of games?

    Is there some way I can help you understand that?  I'd be glad to help.

     

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    Excuses excuses, what are you taking a page from Rusty's book? 

    Gints said the pats would win 8 a year, not this or last year. A year. They have already proven that statement and yours about that statement being generous false. Do you need me to try and explain that to you further?

    How is the QB great if the WR's are bottom ranked, they go hand in hand in the rankings geneally speaking. They both collectively do well or poorly together typically.

    Or... don't you remember the defense carrying this years team for the 1st quarter of the season or so. Oh wait I remember you are one of those guys who only remembers the very last thing he saw happen in a game and that is your take on it's entirety so it stands to reason that is your approach on an entire season as well.

    Yes you are still an imbecile.

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    Hmmm. have you checked those receiver rankings?  Gronk temporarily helped and Edelman is the only one to show up in the top 50.  The rookies were rookies with numerous drops, poor completion % and disappeared, for what that's worth, in the second half of the season.

    They also had no TE's, that would begin to start for another team.

    No other QB gets through that mess.  If you deny that, then you are just a hater.

    And yes, I do remember the D playing well against 2 rookies in their first and second games and Josh Freeman.  I also thought people shouldn't make any determination based on that. They sure didn't look too great last night, which is right where they should have been against talent.  Don't want to hear injuries either.  Seems Denver had a few, also as well as the rest of the NFL.

    Brady has had to carry this team for years because of that bad D.  Deny that too.

    Got to give you credit though, you have one of the most appropriate handles, I've ever seen  Perfect!

    Anything else I can help you with?

     

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