Brady vs. Manning; the double standard.

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    Brady vs. Manning; the double standard.

    When ever these two come up in a debate over who is the superior QB, the Manning guys always say "Look at the stats, Peyton owns all the records! Rings are team accomplishments, not individual accolades!" And they're right. 

     

    A ring is a team based honor, but so what? A Quarterbacks offensive stats are team based honors as well. Does Peyton Manning snap the ball to himself, pass blocks, throws the ball and then catches it? No, he has a good offensive team to make the stats work. Where BB gave Brady a good defense from 2001-2006, with mediocre and subpar receivers, Peyton had great offenses with mediocre and subpar defenses. 

    So why is Tom faulted for his team when Peyton gets praised for his?

     
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    Re: Brady vs. Manning; the double standard.

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    When ever these two come up in a debate over who is the superior QB, the Manning guys always say "Look at the stats, Peyton owns all the records! Rings are team accomplishments, not individual accolades!" And they're right. 

     

    A ring is a team based honor, but so what? A Quarterbacks offensive stats are team based honors as well. Does Peyton Manning snap the ball to himself, pass blocks, throws the ball and then catches it? No, he has a good offensive team to make the stats work. Where BB gave Brady a good defense from 2001-2006, with mediocre and subpar receivers, Peyton had great offenses with mediocre and subpar defenses. 

    So why is Tom faulted for his team when Peyton gets praised for his?

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    I'm sending you some cheddar. Maybe that will ease the pain.Laughing

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    pain, am I a fan of a team that's closing in on 50 years without a ring?

     
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    Re: Brady vs. Manning; the double standard.

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    When ever these two come up in a debate over who is the superior QB, the Manning guys always say "Look at the stats, Peyton owns all the records! Rings are team accomplishments, not individual accolades!" And they're right. 

     

    A ring is a team based honor, but so what? A Quarterbacks offensive stats are team based honors as well. Does Peyton Manning snap the ball to himself, pass blocks, throws the ball and then catches it? No, he has a good offensive team to make the stats work. Where BB gave Brady a good defense from 2001-2006, with mediocre and subpar receivers, Peyton had great offenses with mediocre and subpar defenses. 

    So why is Tom faulted for his team when Peyton gets praised for his?

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    because of the lovefest that the NFL has with Peyton!  It's ridiculous!!  But, it's how Peyton is anyways.....more worried about the stats!  

    "you can have your Manning, I'll take my Brady"  anyday!!

     
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    Re: Brady vs. Manning; the double standard.

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    Here's a twist.  How would Brady and Manning's career have fared if Manning had played for the Patriots and Brady played with the Colts?

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    well manning would've choked up with atleast one of those SBs no doubt

     
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    Re: Brady vs. Manning; the double standard.

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    When ever these two come up in a debate over who is the superior QB, the Manning guys always say "Look at the stats, Peyton owns all the records! Rings are team accomplishments, not individual accolades!" And they're right. 

     

    A ring is a team based honor, but so what? A Quarterbacks offensive stats are team based honors as well. Does Peyton Manning snap the ball to himself, pass blocks, throws the ball and then catches it? No, he has a good offensive team to make the stats work. Where BB gave Brady a good defense from 2001-2006, with mediocre and subpar receivers, Peyton had great offenses with mediocre and subpar defenses. 

    So why is Tom faulted for his team when Peyton gets praised for his?

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    This isn't a double standard.  You've defended Manning with your own words.  A defense as a whole is more important than receivers as an offensive group.  I also think that pats fans have a habit of downgrading their receivers.  Brady's had plenty of good receivers - maybe not overall as good as Manning, but not too far off.  On the other hand, Manning's defenses have been much worse. 

    Brady's also had better special teams than Manning.  His kickers didn't miss in crucial playoff moments.  Manning's did.  The pats had better punt and kickoff return teams, as well. 

    Finally, Brady's had a better head coach and only one head coach.  Manning's had 4. 

     
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    Re: Brady vs. Manning; the double standard.

    In response to UD6's comment:
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    When ever these two come up in a debate over who is the superior QB, the Manning guys always say "Look at the stats, Peyton owns all the records! Rings are team accomplishments, not individual accolades!" And they're right. 

     

    A ring is a team based honor, but so what? A Quarterbacks offensive stats are team based honors as well. Does Peyton Manning snap the ball to himself, pass blocks, throws the ball and then catches it? No, he has a good offensive team to make the stats work. Where BB gave Brady a good defense from 2001-2006, with mediocre and subpar receivers, Peyton had great offenses with mediocre and subpar defenses. 

    So why is Tom faulted for his team when Peyton gets praised for his?

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    This isn't a double standard.  You've defended Manning with your own words.  A defense as a whole is more important than receivers as an offensive group.  I also think that pats fans have a habit of downgrading their receivers.  Brady's had plenty of good receivers - maybe not overall as good as Manning, but not too far off.  On the other hand, Manning's defenses have been much worse. 

    Brady's also had better special teams than Manning.  His kickers didn't miss in crucial playoff moments.  Manning's did.  The pats had better punt and kickoff return teams, as well. 

    Finally, Brady's had a better head coach and only one head coach.  Manning's had 4. 

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    Excuses...

    Colts always have a good defense. that's why they won 10+ games each season.

    And so what about Coach? So? Dungy is a good coach too. It is just that Brady has good fortune but don't use that excuse by saying that he is no good.

     
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    Re: Brady vs. Manning; the double standard.

    The point is that which QBs are the "best" of all time.

    Right now, Brady is the better because his leadership and skills beat Manning 10 times and led his team to wins and championships.

    Look at the QB Ratio and playoffs. Brady beats Manning by INTs and most playoff wins.

     

    Stats are very irrelevant because it involves mostly the regular season.

     

     
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    Re: Brady vs. Manning; the double standard.

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    Does it embarrass you that your QB gets nicked on the leg and immediately goes crying to the refs to get a call? How much of a pathetic p@$$y does a guy have to be to do that? Is that your kind of competitor?

     

    If Manning ever did that, I'd put a brown bag over my head.

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    LOL Manning cries to the refs on every incompletion

     
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    Re: Brady vs. Manning; the double standard.

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    When ever these two come up in a debate over who is the superior QB, the Manning guys always say "Look at the stats, Peyton owns all the records! Rings are team accomplishments, not individual accolades!" And they're right. 

    A ring is a team based honor, but so what? A Quarterbacks offensive stats are team based honors as well. Does Peyton Manning snap the ball to himself, pass blocks, throws the ball and then catches it? No, he has a good offensive team to make the stats work. Where BB gave Brady a good defense from 2001-2006, with mediocre and subpar receivers, Peyton had great offenses with mediocre and subpar defenses. 

    So why is Tom faulted for his team when Peyton gets praised for his?

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    This isn't a double standard.  You've defended Manning with your own words.  A defense as a whole is more important than receivers as an offensive group.  I also think that pats fans have a habit of downgrading their receivers.  Brady's had plenty of good receivers - maybe not overall as good as Manning, but not too far off.  On the other hand, Manning's defenses have been much worse. 

    Brady's also had better special teams than Manning.  His kickers didn't miss in crucial playoff moments.  Manning's did.  The pats had better punt and kickoff return teams, as well. 

    Finally, Brady's had a better head coach and only one head coach.  Manning's had 4. 

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    Come, come, a hand from either:
    Let me be blest to make this happy close;
    'Twere pity two such friends should be long foes.

    Two Gentlemen of Verona
    Act V, Scene 4
       
    Xlation .... give them both a hand of praise, I like thier fights anyway .... a pity, I like both.

     

     
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    Yeah!  It's so unfair!  What the general population thinks about a quarterback on a team I don't follow in relation to a quarterback on a team I do follow is detrimental to my life!  I wish these people would just open their eyes! 

    It gets me so upset! 

     
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    Re: Brady vs. Manning; the double standard.

     http://boston.com/community/forums/sports/patriots/on-the-front-burner/peytonpeytonpeytonbradybradybrady/100/6966099

    heres a thread for you debaters

     
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    Re: Brady vs. Manning; the double standard.

    Hey, they are both first ballot hall of fame QBs.  We are quibling about something that is totally subjective.  As many pick Manning, there are as many who pick Brady.  Live with the fact these two are considered in many circles to be two of the best ever to play QB.

    Just consider this... many consider Montana the GoaT, but, he is no where near both Manning and Brady from a stat perspective.  So, what subjective measure is used for him?  No need to answer.  This just bolsters the fact this type of discussion will never have a conclusive result.

     
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    Re: Brady vs. Manning; the double standard.

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    Hey, they are both first ballot hall of fame QBs.  We are quibling about something that is totally subjective.  As many pick Manning, there are as many who pick Brady.  Live with the fact these two are considered in many circles to be two of the best ever to play QB.

    Just consider this... many consider Montana the GoaT, but, he is no where near both Manning and Brady from a stat perspective.  So, what subjective measure is used for him?  No need to answer.  This just bolsters the fact this type of discussion will never have a conclusive result.

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    Yeah but NOBODY ever mentions the jughead chokes, his fumble away in last years playoffs, his pick six to lose the SB, instead it was D giving up the TD play, and the onside kick in the SB LMFAO

     
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    Re: Brady vs. Manning; the double standard.

    brady's proven that he can get his monster stats if the team is engineered for a fantasy season.  The Silver Spoon has always played on a fantasy team conducive to getting those fantasy stats, but that's what people like.  Plus his TV deals get his horseface on TV a lot which make him more relatable to the people.

     
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    I notice jughead hadnt even finished packing car out of town and owner already throwing him under bus

     

     
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    Re: Brady vs. Manning; the double standard.

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    Here's a twist.  How would Brady and Manning's career have fared if Manning had played for the Patriots and Brady played with the Colts?

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    Manning would have sucked big time playing in frigid Foxborough with Brady's smurf receivers and athletic yet porous O-line.  Brady would have lit up the record books playing with Manning's hall of fame cast in the dome and lightning fast defense.

     
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    Re: Brady vs. Manning; the double standard.

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    In response to 49Patriots' comment:
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    When ever these two come up in a debate over who is the superior QB, the Manning guys always say "Look at the stats, Peyton owns all the records! Rings are team accomplishments, not individual accolades!" And they're right. 

     

    A ring is a team based honor, but so what? A Quarterbacks offensive stats are team based honors as well. Does Peyton Manning snap the ball to himself, pass blocks, throws the ball and then catches it? No, he has a good offensive team to make the stats work. Where BB gave Brady a good defense from 2001-2006, with mediocre and subpar receivers, Peyton had great offenses with mediocre and subpar defenses. 

    So why is Tom faulted for his team when Peyton gets praised for his?

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    This isn't a double standard.  You've defended Manning with your own words.  A defense as a whole is more important than receivers as an offensive group.  I also think that pats fans have a habit of downgrading their receivers.  Brady's had plenty of good receivers - maybe not overall as good as Manning, but not too far off.  On the other hand, Manning's defenses have been much worse. 

    Brady's also had better special teams than Manning.  His kickers didn't miss in crucial playoff moments.  Manning's did.  The pats had better punt and kickoff return teams, as well. 

    Finally, Brady's had a better head coach and only one head coach.  Manning's had 4. 

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    If Manning wasn't such a choke, he would have less coaches

     
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    Re: Brady vs. Manning; the double standard.

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    Hey, they are both first ballot hall of fame QBs.  We are quibling about something that is totally subjective.  As many pick Manning, there are as many who pick Brady.  Live with the fact these two are considered in many circles to be two of the best ever to play QB.

    Just consider this... many consider Montana the GoaT, but, he is no where near both Manning and Brady from a stat perspective.  So, what subjective measure is used for him?  No need to answer.  This just bolsters the fact this type of discussion will never have a conclusive result.

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    Yeah but NOBODY ever mentions the jughead chokes, his fumble away in last years playoffs, his pick six to lose the SB, instead it was D giving up the TD play, and the onside kick in the SB LMFAO

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    True, but Brady has his moments, too.  Recall in the 2006 AFCCG he threw a pic to end the game and they were driving?  You are correct, there is more glossing over the shortcomings of Manning to bolster his GoaT label which is mostly based on stats.

     
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    Re: Brady vs. Manning; the double standard.

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    Here's a twist.  How would Brady and Manning's career have fared if Manning had played for the Patriots and Brady played with the Colts?

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    Manning would have sucked big time playing in frigid Foxborough with Brady's smurf receivers and athletic yet porous O-line.  Brady would have lit up the record books playing with Manning's hall of fame cast in the dome and lightning fast defense.

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    Not too certain about that. 

    Consider, Manning was drafted because he was the premier QB coming out of the college ranks.  Any team that drafted him, including the Pats if that happened, would have built a team to support Manning's skillsets.  Brady, on the other hand, did not come out of college known as a premier passer.  He developed into one and only in the late 2000's did the Pats begin to give him some viable weapons to take advantage of his vastly improved passing skills.  Don't you think the Patriots would have built a team in the same way the Colts did after they drafted Manning?

     
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