BRADY...is it time?

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    Brady has turned into jughead...all regular season stats then CHOKE in playoffs against good teams. Hes had a almost equal TDs and INTs in playoffs since his last SB win....Time to bring in a young QB and let him develop. With AFC East a joke, even with a rookie QB Pats still win division easily...

     




    Here is a list (in no particular order) of what most people would agree are the best quarterbacks in the NFL (counting just quarterbacks who have a track record): Brady, Peyton Manning, Rodgers, Brees, Ryan, Eli Manning, Roethlisberger.

     

    Here is a list of quarterbacks who did not go further than Brady in the playoffs: Peyton Manning, Rodgers, Brees, Ryan, Eli Manning, Roethlisberger.

    Should they also all be replaced? 

     

     



    Of course not. But the only one older than Brady is Peyton. And he did darn well coming back to a new team after a yr off with 4 neck surguries. And the oldest winning qb was Elway right at 38. So, maybe another 1 or 2 for Brady.

     

    Anyway, of that list you provided. They can all throw the deep ball. I don't think Brady can anymore. That is an issue. The dink and dunk days are over I  think. Too many teams know it too well.

     



    The Patriots scored 557 points last year.  That is the third highest total in NFL history.  They set records for the most first downs and most plays in a season.  They have trouble beating certain kinds of teams, but the league as a whole has not figured out how to stop Tom Brady and the Patriots' offense.  

     

    Throwing the ball deep is vastly overrated.  Matthew Stafford throws a beautiful deep ball.  Where are the Lions?    

     




    Bingo. You said it..."They have trouble beating certain kinds of teams". They handle their division. It is soft. Stats soar. But they struggle against quality teams. Teams like the Ravens and 49ers actually. Stats are great, but they don't always tell the entire story newengland.

    I am just wondering how many more quality yrs you think the Pats have with Brady at the helm. BB is also a concern too. He needs to finally fill the glaring holes in the lineup, but that is a seperate topic all together.

     
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    Brady has turned into jughead...all regular season stats then CHOKE in playoffs against good teams. Hes had a almost equal TDs and INTs in playoffs since his last SB win....Time to bring in a young QB and let him develop. With AFC East a joke, even with a rookie QB Pats still win division easily...




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    Brady has turned into jughead...all regular season stats then CHOKE in playoffs against good teams. Hes had a almost equal TDs and INTs in playoffs since his last SB win....Time to bring in a young QB and let him develop. With AFC East a joke, even with a rookie QB Pats still win division easily...

     




    Here is a list (in no particular order) of what most people would agree are the best quarterbacks in the NFL (counting just quarterbacks who have a track record): Brady, Peyton Manning, Rodgers, Brees, Ryan, Eli Manning, Roethlisberger.

     

    Here is a list of quarterbacks who did not go further than Brady in the playoffs: Peyton Manning, Rodgers, Brees, Ryan, Eli Manning, Roethlisberger.

    Should they also all be replaced? 

     

     



    Of course not. But the only one older than Brady is Peyton. And he did darn well coming back to a new team after a yr off with 4 neck surguries. And the oldest winning qb was Elway right at 38. So, maybe another 1 or 2 for Brady.

     

    Anyway, of that list you provided. They can all throw the deep ball. I don't think Brady can anymore. That is an issue. The dink and dunk days are over I  think. Too many teams know it too well.

     



    The Patriots scored 557 points last year.  That is the third highest total in NFL history.  They set records for the most first downs and most plays in a season.  They have trouble beating certain kinds of teams, but the league as a whole has not figured out how to stop Tom Brady and the Patriots' offense.  

     

    Throwing the ball deep is vastly overrated.  Matthew Stafford throws a beautiful deep ball.  Where are the Lions?    

     

     




    Bingo. You said it..."They have trouble beating certain kinds of teams". They handle their division. It is soft. Stats soar. But they struggle against quality teams. Teams like the Ravens and 49ers actually. Stats are great, but they don't always tell the entire story newengland.

     

    I am just wondering how many more quality yrs you think the Pats have with Brady at the helm. BB is also a concern too. He needs to finally fill the glaring holes in the lineup, but that is a seperate topic all together.



    Actually, the Patriots often play close games against teams in their division, so they are not necessarily racking up the points against their divisional rivals.  You will remember that they had to go to overtime to beat the Jets in one game this season (though the other game was a blowout), they only staved off a Buffalo win with a game-ending interception, and in one of their games against Miami they won by just a touchdown.  There are other soft divisions in football.  The AFC West is not exactly full of powerhouse teams. 

    The Patriots did not merely rack up points against weak teams.  They beat three playoff teams by healthy margins--the Broncos, the Colts, and the Texans. 

    The last time I checked, all teams lose games.  Both the Ravens and the Forty-Niners lost more games than the Patriots did during the regular season.  Obviously, New England has not always played well in the playoffs in recent years (though they should get more credit for their win against Texas in the divisional round this year, a game in which Brady played very well), and I regret that as much as anyone.  But the right thing to do is to figure out how to beat teams like the Ravens and San Francisco with Brady as quarterback.  He gets the team to the playoffs every year.  There is no likelihood that another quarterback would do that. 

    I have no idea how many years Brady has left.  But I do know that he is still one of the three or four best quarterbacks in the NFL and by far the Patriots' best option in the near future. 

     
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    no.

    Did you watch the game? 

    Did you notice Baltimore scoring every time they got in the Red Zone? Did you notice Belichick wimping out and punting from the Baltimore 30 again and again? Did you notice Gronk and Talib watching from the sideline/press box? 

    I'll give you this: it's time to start grooming/drafting Brady's eventual replacement though...

     

     

     
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    Had a little time and was checking out some offensive stats for the play-offs.

    Shocking, to say the least. 

    Oh, my, what's a QB to do?

    Gonzalez 93% completion

    Foster, 88%

    Zach Miller, 83%

    Crabtree, 83%

    Andre J, 80%

    James Jones, 80%

    More......

    Then you have

    Hernandez, 68%

    WW, 64%   No he doesn't have the most attempts!

    Lloyd, 50%  none over 20

    Branch, 33%

    Woody, 33%

    Ouch....................................

    Howbout RB's

    Ridley, 4.6 ypc long of 23, fumble

    Gore, 4.8

    Lynch, 4.9

    J. Rogers,  4.8  WHO???

    Alfred Morris, 5.0  Who???

    Benard Pierce, 6.3

    Lamicheal James 6.9

    And......Just for LOL

    Kaepernick, 11.2

    Joe Webb, 9.7

    A Luck, 8.8

    R Wilson, 8.5

    AAron R, 8.0

    Wow!  Imagine playing with that and with a D that apparently forgot to go to the john during half time, because they couldn't even hold their own bladders after the half.

    No, TB didn't have his best game.  How the he11 could he?

    Just think what a less experienced, less accurate QB will do with this team.  :-(

    Tears!!!

     




    Speaking of Tears!!!....

     

     

    It is astonishing when you realize that Gisele actually knows this game better than junior and a few other stooges.

     



    Your comments are becoming a snooze fest. Yawn

     




    Your asinine observations you offer as football knowledge always were.

     
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    Agree with some posters here than observe that Our Tom cannot throw an accurate deep ball anymore. IMO ha has not thrown long with good accuracy since Pollard racked him up a few years ago.  He has no mobility either, so he can't buy time outside the pocket and teams can go full bore rush on him. Let the next 2 seasons, which ends Tom's existing contract, be his last of an illustrious Pat career!

    That said, these is something wrong with that O Line!  When the Ravens are able to play in a nickel almost the entire game and the Pats cannot run successfully, Houston we have a problem.  The guards are not good, period.  Mankins is always hurt now - over the hill and Connelly basically a back up with multiple concussions.  Hopefully Cannon and the Polish kid from Iowa step up this year and provide some youth and strength here, so we can run against that Raven D next year.

     
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    Had a little time and was checking out some offensive stats for the play-offs.

    Shocking, to say the least. 

    Oh, my, what's a QB to do?

    Gonzalez 93% completion

    Foster, 88%

    Zach Miller, 83%

    Crabtree, 83%

    Andre J, 80%

    James Jones, 80%

    More......

    Then you have

    Hernandez, 68%

    WW, 64%   No he doesn't have the most attempts!

    Lloyd, 50%  none over 20

    Branch, 33%

    Woody, 33%

    Ouch....................................

    Howbout RB's

    Ridley, 4.6 ypc long of 23, fumble

    Gore, 4.8

    Lynch, 4.9

    J. Rogers,  4.8  WHO???

    Alfred Morris, 5.0  Who???

    Benard Pierce, 6.3

    Lamicheal James 6.9

    And......Just for LOL

    Kaepernick, 11.2

    Joe Webb, 9.7

    A Luck, 8.8

    R Wilson, 8.5

    AAron R, 8.0

    Wow!  Imagine playing with that and with a D that apparently forgot to go to the john during half time, because they couldn't even hold their own bladders after the half.

    No, TB didn't have his best game.  How the he11 could he?

    Just think what a less experienced, less accurate QB will do with this team.  :-(

    Tears!!!

     




    Speaking of Tears!!!....

     

     

    It is astonishing when you realize that Gisele actually knows this game better than junior and a few other stooges.

     



    Your comments are becoming a snooze fest. Yawn

     

     




    Your asinine observations you offer as football knowledge always were.

     




    Yawn. Your comments are just asinine, asiten, asieleven, asitwelve.  

     
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    Agree with some posters here than observe that Our Tom cannot throw an accurate deep ball anymore. IMO ha has not thrown long with good accuracy since Pollard racked him up a few years ago.  He has no mobility either, so he can't buy time outside the pocket and teams can go full bore rush on him. Let the next 2 seasons, which ends Tom's existing contract, be his last of an illustrious Pat career!

    That said, these is something wrong with that O Line!  When the Ravens are able to play in a nickel almost the entire game and the Pats cannot run successfully, Houston we have a problem.  The guards are not good, period.  Mankins is always hurt now - over the hill and Connelly basically a back up with multiple concussions.  Hopefully Cannon and the Polish kid from Iowa step up this year and provide some youth and strength here, so we can run against that Raven D next year.




    Finally, someone who watches and sees the game. Well said.

     
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    Is this actually a thread devoted to the idea that it's time to get rid of Brady?  I haven't read any of the posts, but two things:

    • Getting rid of Brady only makes sense if we have someone to replace him.  I don't think we do.  I am not convinced Mallet is any good and we'd have to trade away a lot to get a good QB or a high enough draft pick to get one in the draft. Even Brady at 75% of his former self is far better than what most teams have at QB.
    • Brady's "failures" have a lot to do with the team around him--a lack of diverse receiving options, inconsistent O line play, and until this year, mediocre running backs.  Those issues are easier to fix than finding a new top-quality QB, so start there. We've got better backs already.  We really need to get one or two more good receivers.  (Brady's deep ball looks bad in large part because we have no one who can run a deep route--he looked good enough throwing to Stallworth for the one play Stallworth was in on.) The O line isn't too bad, but there's still opportunity to make it better, especially in the middle.  Improve the talent around Brady in the short term and then deal with replacing the QB a year or two down the road . . . 

     

    Oh, and one more thing, continue to work on the defense so we don't need 30 point offensive performances every single game.  That's asking an awful lot even of a great QB.

     

     
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    Had a little time and was checking out some offensive stats for the play-offs.

    Shocking, to say the least. 

    Oh, my, what's a QB to do?

    Gonzalez 93% completion

    Foster, 88%

    Zach Miller, 83%

    Crabtree, 83%

    Andre J, 80%

    James Jones, 80%

    More......

    Then you have

    Hernandez, 68%

    WW, 64%   No he doesn't have the most attempts!

    Lloyd, 50%  none over 20

    Branch, 33%

    Woody, 33%

    Ouch....................................

    Howbout RB's

    Ridley, 4.6 ypc long of 23, fumble

    Gore, 4.8

    Lynch, 4.9

    J. Rogers,  4.8  WHO???

    Alfred Morris, 5.0  Who???

    Benard Pierce, 6.3

    Lamicheal James 6.9

    And......Just for LOL

    Kaepernick, 11.2

    Joe Webb, 9.7

    A Luck, 8.8

    R Wilson, 8.5

    AAron R, 8.0

    Wow!  Imagine playing with that and with a D that apparently forgot to go to the john during half time, because they couldn't even hold their own bladders after the half.

    No, TB didn't have his best game.  How the he11 could he?

    Just think what a less experienced, less accurate QB will do with this team.  :-(

    Tears!!!

     




    Speaking of Tears!!!....

     

     

    It is astonishing when you realize that Gisele actually knows this game better than junior and a few other stooges.

     



    Your comments are becoming a snooze fest. Yawn

     

     




    Your asinine observations you offer as football knowledge always were.

     

     




    Yawn. Your comments are just asinine, asiten, asieleven, asitwelve.  

     




    Just keep that tail between your legs. It suits you.

     
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    Is this actually a thread devoted to the idea that it's time to get rid of Brady?  I haven't read any of the posts, but two things:

    • Getting rid of Brady only makes sense if we have someone to replace him.  I don't think we do.  I am not convinced Mallet is any good and we'd have to trade away a lot to get a good QB or a high enough draft pick to get one in the draft. Even Brady at 75% of his former self is far better than what most teams have at QB.
    • Brady's "failures" have a lot to do with the team around him--a lack of diverse receiving options, inconsistent O line play, and until this year, mediocre running backs.  Those issues are easier to fix than finding a new top-quality QB, so start there. We've got better backs already.  We really need to get one or two more good receivers.  (Brady's deep ball looks bad in large part because we have no one who can run a deep route--he looked good enough throwing to Stallworth for the one play Stallworth was in on.) The O line isn't too bad, but there's still opportunity to make it better, especially in the middle.  Improve the talent around Brady in the short term and then deal with replacing the QB a year or two down the road . . . 

     

    Oh, and one more thing, continue to work on the defense so we don't need 30 point offensive performances every single game.  That's asking an awful lot even of a great QB.

     




    Why are you so much more astute on football than politics pro? (jk)

     

    The team around Brady is MEDIOCRE. Has been for years now. A one man show gets you only so far in this league.

    Swap Brady for Sanchez and you would have swapped records for the season with the jets.

    Any questions about why? Rock Scull says go see the greatest GM of all-time.

     
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    Imagine if the Patriots had drafted Kapernick or Russel Wilson? They'd be still on the Pats bench behind Brady, rarely playing, when either one of them are clearly better than Brady at this point.




    LOL.

     
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    Is this actually a thread devoted to the idea that it's time to get rid of Brady?  I haven't read any of the posts, but two things:

    • Getting rid of Brady only makes sense if we have someone to replace him.  I don't think we do.  I am not convinced Mallet is any good and we'd have to trade away a lot to get a good QB or a high enough draft pick to get one in the draft. Even Brady at 75% of his former self is far better than what most teams have at QB.
    • Brady's "failures" have a lot to do with the team around him--a lack of diverse receiving options, inconsistent O line play, and until this year, mediocre running backs.  Those issues are easier to fix than finding a new top-quality QB, so start there. We've got better backs already.  We really need to get one or two more good receivers.  (Brady's deep ball looks bad in large part because we have no one who can run a deep route--he looked good enough throwing to Stallworth for the one play Stallworth was in on.) The O line isn't too bad, but there's still opportunity to make it better, especially in the middle.  Improve the talent around Brady in the short term and then deal with replacing the QB a year or two down the road . . . 

     

    Oh, and one more thing, continue to work on the defense so we don't need 30 point offensive performances every single game.  That's asking an awful lot even of a great QB.

     

     




    No. It was just seeing when the time might be up on Brady. Hard to get any good reads with Babe around. He just continues his rants and one liners about learn football.

     

    You seem to be right. Most think about 1-2yrs remaining with brady and the Pats window to win another SB. I wish Mallet got some more work in this yr. so we could see if he has what it takes to run the show after Brady.

    I still have concerns about his accuracy and ability to throw the deeper passes. Not even talking bombs, just past 20yrds or so. His mobility is a factor 2 to some degree.

    Of course the D needs more work. I thought they did better this yr over last yr. Enjoy the SB.

     
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    Why are you so much more astute on football than politics pro? (jk)

     



    Politics is a matter of preference, and we just have different preferences.  With football there's a clear right and a clear wrong, and what can I say? We're just right . . .

    That said, I'm glad when it comes to voting, it's Rusty who votes and not you :-)

     

     

     

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