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Brady has turned into jughead...all regular season stats then CHOKE in playoffs against good teams. Hes had a almost equal TDs and INTs in playoffs since his last SB win....Time to bring in a young QB and let him develop. With AFC East a joke, even with a rookie QB Pats still win division easily...

Here is a list (in no particular order) of what most people would agree are the best quarterbacks in the NFL (counting just quarterbacks who have a track record): Brady, Peyton Manning, Rodgers, Brees, Ryan, Eli Manning, Roethlisberger.

Here is a list of quarterbacks who did not go further than Brady in the playoffs: Peyton Manning, Rodgers, Brees, Ryan, Eli Manning, Roethlisberger.

Should they also all be replaced? 

Of course not. But the only one older than Brady is Peyton. And he did darn well coming back to a new team after a yr off with 4 neck surguries. And the oldest winning qb was Elway right at 38. So, maybe another 1 or 2 for Brady.

Anyway, of that list you provided. They can all throw the deep ball. I don't think Brady can anymore. That is an issue. The dink and dunk days are over I  think. Too many teams know it too well.

The Patriots scored 557 points last year.  That is the third highest total in NFL history.  They set records for the most first downs and most plays in a season.  They have trouble beating certain kinds of teams, but the league as a whole has not figured out how to stop Tom Brady and the Patriots' offense.  

Throwing the ball deep is vastly overrated.  Matthew Stafford throws a beautiful deep ball.  Where are the Lions?    

Brady has turned into jughead...all regular season stats then CHOKE in playoffs against good teams. Hes had a almost equal TDs and INTs in playoffs since his last SB win....Time to bring in a young QB and let him develop. With AFC East a joke, even with a rookie QB Pats still win division easily...

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Brady has turned into jughead...all regular season stats then CHOKE in playoffs against good teams. Hes had a almost equal TDs and INTs in playoffs since his last SB win....Time to bring in a young QB and let him develop. With AFC East a joke, even with a rookie QB Pats still win division easily...

Here is a list (in no particular order) of what most people would agree are the best quarterbacks in the NFL (counting just quarterbacks who have a track record): Brady, Peyton Manning, Rodgers, Brees, Ryan, Eli Manning, Roethlisberger.

Here is a list of quarterbacks who did not go further than Brady in the playoffs: Peyton Manning, Rodgers, Brees, Ryan, Eli Manning, Roethlisberger.

Should they also all be replaced? 

Of course not. But the only one older than Brady is Peyton. And he did darn well coming back to a new team after a yr off with 4 neck surguries. And the oldest winning qb was Elway right at 38. So, maybe another 1 or 2 for Brady.

Anyway, of that list you provided. They can all throw the deep ball. I don't think Brady can anymore. That is an issue. The dink and dunk days are over I  think. Too many teams know it too well.

The Patriots scored 557 points last year.  That is the third highest total in NFL history.  They set records for the most first downs and most plays in a season.  They have trouble beating certain kinds of teams, but the league as a whole has not figured out how to stop Tom Brady and the Patriots' offense.  

Throwing the ball deep is vastly overrated.  Matthew Stafford throws a beautiful deep ball.  Where are the Lions?    

Bingo. You said it..."They have trouble beating certain kinds of teams". They handle their division. It is soft. Stats soar. But they struggle against quality teams. Teams like the Ravens and 49ers actually. Stats are great, but they don't always tell the entire story newengland.

I am just wondering how many more quality yrs you think the Pats have with Brady at the helm. BB is also a concern too. He needs to finally fill the glaring holes in the lineup, but that is a seperate topic all together.

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Had a little time and was checking out some offensive stats for the play-offs.

Shocking, to say the least. 

Oh, my, what's a QB to do?

Gonzalez 93% completion

Foster, 88%

Zach Miller, 83%

Crabtree, 83%

Andre J, 80%

James Jones, 80%

More......

Then you have

Hernandez, 68%

WW, 64%   No he doesn't have the most attempts!

Lloyd, 50%  none over 20

Branch, 33%

Woody, 33%

Ouch....................................

Howbout RB's

Ridley, 4.6 ypc long of 23, fumble

Gore, 4.8

Lynch, 4.9

J. Rogers,  4.8  WHO???

Alfred Morris, 5.0  Who???

Benard Pierce, 6.3

Lamicheal James 6.9

And......Just for LOL

Kaepernick, 11.2

Joe Webb, 9.7

A Luck, 8.8

R Wilson, 8.5

AAron R, 8.0

Wow!  Imagine playing with that and with a D that apparently forgot to go to the john during half time, because they couldn't even hold their own bladders after the half.

No, TB didn't have his best game.  How the he11 could he?

Just think what a less experienced, less accurate QB will do with this team.  :-(

Tears!!!

Speaking of Tears!!!....

It is astonishing when you realize that Gisele actually knows this game better than junior and a few other stooges.

Your comments are becoming a snooze fest. Yawn

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In response to BabeParilli's comment:

In response to pezz4pats' comment:

Had a little time and was checking out some offensive stats for the play-offs.

Shocking, to say the least. 

Oh, my, what's a QB to do?

Gonzalez 93% completion

Foster, 88%

Zach Miller, 83%

Crabtree, 83%

Andre J, 80%

James Jones, 80%

More......

Then you have

Hernandez, 68%

WW, 64%   No he doesn't have the most attempts!

Lloyd, 50%  none over 20

Branch, 33%

Woody, 33%

Ouch....................................

Howbout RB's

Ridley, 4.6 ypc long of 23, fumble

Gore, 4.8

Lynch, 4.9

J. Rogers,  4.8  WHO???

Alfred Morris, 5.0  Who???

Benard Pierce, 6.3

Lamicheal James 6.9

And......Just for LOL

Kaepernick, 11.2

Joe Webb, 9.7

A Luck, 8.8

R Wilson, 8.5

AAron R, 8.0

Wow!  Imagine playing with that and with a D that apparently forgot to go to the john during half time, because they couldn't even hold their own bladders after the half.

No, TB didn't have his best game.  How the he11 could he?

Just think what a less experienced, less accurate QB will do with this team.  :-(

Tears!!!

Speaking of Tears!!!....

It is astonishing when you realize that Gisele actually knows this game better than junior and a few other stooges.

Your comments are becoming a snooze fest. Yawn

Your asinine observations you offer as football knowledge always were.

Agree with some posters here than observe that Our Tom cannot throw an accurate deep ball anymore. IMO ha has not thrown long with good accuracy since Pollard racked him up a few years ago.  He has no mobility either, so he can't buy time outside the pocket and teams can go full bore rush on him. Let the next 2 seasons, which ends Tom's existing contract, be his last of an illustrious Pat career!

That said, these is something wrong with that O Line!  When the Ravens are able to play in a nickel almost the entire game and the Pats cannot run successfully, Houston we have a problem.  The guards are not good, period.  Mankins is always hurt now - over the hill and Connelly basically a back up with multiple concussions.  Hopefully Cannon and the Polish kid from Iowa step up this year and provide some youth and strength here, so we can run against that Raven D next year.

In response to BabeParilli's comment:

In response to antiqueman1's comment:

In response to BabeParilli's comment:

In response to pezz4pats' comment:

Had a little time and was checking out some offensive stats for the play-offs.

Shocking, to say the least. 

Oh, my, what's a QB to do?

Gonzalez 93% completion

Foster, 88%

Zach Miller, 83%

Crabtree, 83%

Andre J, 80%

James Jones, 80%

More......

Then you have

Hernandez, 68%

WW, 64%   No he doesn't have the most attempts!

Lloyd, 50%  none over 20

Branch, 33%

Woody, 33%

Ouch....................................

Howbout RB's

Ridley, 4.6 ypc long of 23, fumble

Gore, 4.8

Lynch, 4.9

J. Rogers,  4.8  WHO???

Alfred Morris, 5.0  Who???

Benard Pierce, 6.3

Lamicheal James 6.9

And......Just for LOL

Kaepernick, 11.2

Joe Webb, 9.7

A Luck, 8.8

R Wilson, 8.5

AAron R, 8.0

Wow!  Imagine playing with that and with a D that apparently forgot to go to the john during half time, because they couldn't even hold their own bladders after the half.

No, TB didn't have his best game.  How the he11 could he?

Just think what a less experienced, less accurate QB will do with this team.  :-(

Tears!!!

Speaking of Tears!!!....

It is astonishing when you realize that Gisele actually knows this game better than junior and a few other stooges.

Your comments are becoming a snooze fest. Yawn

Your asinine observations you offer as football knowledge always were.

Yawn. Your comments are just asinine, asiten, asieleven, asitwelve.  

Is this actually a thread devoted to the idea that it's time to get rid of Brady?  I haven't read any of the posts, but two things:

• Getting rid of Brady only makes sense if we have someone to replace him.  I don't think we do.  I am not convinced Mallet is any good and we'd have to trade away a lot to get a good QB or a high enough draft pick to get one in the draft. Even Brady at 75% of his former self is far better than what most teams have at QB.
• Brady's "failures" have a lot to do with the team around him--a lack of diverse receiving options, inconsistent O line play, and until this year, mediocre running backs.  Those issues are easier to fix than finding a new top-quality QB, so start there. We've got better backs already.  We really need to get one or two more good receivers.  (Brady's deep ball looks bad in large part because we have no one who can run a deep route--he looked good enough throwing to Stallworth for the one play Stallworth was in on.) The O line isn't too bad, but there's still opportunity to make it better, especially in the middle.  Improve the talent around Brady in the short term and then deal with replacing the QB a year or two down the road . . . 

Oh, and one more thing, continue to work on the defense so we don't need 30 point offensive performances every single game.  That's asking an awful lot even of a great QB.

Imagine if the Patriots had drafted Kapernick or Russel Wilson? They'd be still on the Pats bench behind Brady, rarely playing, when either one of them are clearly better than Brady at this point.

Why are you so much more astute on football than politics pro? (jk)