I am certainly not trying to start another war here, but I am also convinced our board regulars here, the ones who really love Brady regardless of his play, don't know the facts.
In another thread, the one where he's obsessively trying to call me out, Babe wouldn't post Brady's postseason stats, and now we know why.
For everyone else, this is merely a summary of facts based on reality, not perception. It's meant to end the "elephant in the room" arguments once and for all. Anyone arguing after this, not only has a screw loose, but probably needs a proactive visit from the local authorities.
Since Babe is too lazy/sneaky to not post the stats I am asking for, here they are And no, Antowain Smith was not better or worse than BJGE. They're examples of good, solid backs, so don't even think about using that pathetic argument to deflect from the facts.
Here are Brady's 2005-2011 stats in the postseason, which includes a total of 6 postseasons and 13 games:
27 TDs, 17 INTs
That's flat out unacceptable. A barometer for a good QB in this league is a 2:1 TD/INT ratio. It's the problem that ALL OF US used to point to with Gomer Manning and why he wasn't good in the postseason. AndI am the crazy one, huh? I am crazy because I don't want my QB to channel Gomer Manning circa 2003 and a modern day Tony Romo? Really?
His QB rating in AFC Champ conference games, career, for example? 78.4 with 6 TDS and 7 INTS Read that again. Keep in mind, he had to leave the 2001 AFC title game. Again, this isn't good, but this number spiked dramatically because of his last 2 home AFC title games in 2007 (3 INTs) and 2011 (2 INTs). At halftime last year, BJGE had 8 carries on 50 yards. Brady had already thrown ONE INT with BJGE as the lead back, but his 2nd was horrendous as we know. NE couldn't put Baltimore away. The D bailed out Brady, who, he himself said he"sucked". Objective people agree.
We're a long, long way from his 2004 AFC title game in Pittsburgh. The reason why it's dropped down to that is his last 2 AFC Title game (at home) he had 5 INTS thrown and he wasn't very good, so this proves the D bailed him out of each of the last 2 SBs to even GET to the SB. Again, not debatable. We don't get to the SB in 2007 or 2011 without each D covering for Brady's poor performances.
These are the stats some of you don't want to see as you scramble around to scapegoat everyone else.
Now, by comparison, look at his 2001-2004 postseason stats with a committed run game and Weis not being a moron as an OC:
11 TDs, 3 INTs
Clearly, even the most rabid and loyal Bradyite, can see his postseason stats, although less productive in terms of amount of TDs (albeit, in half the postseasons), is a far, far better ratio. Facts, reality and stats do not lie. That's a fantastic ratio and it also includes his early average 2001 postseason games (Snow Bowl game, @ Pitt where he didn't finish and the SB, where his numbers were pedestrain, but his game management was masterful).
This is not debatable anymore. He had ratings from 2001-2004 that average out to 91.52. 9 games, a 90 QBR. I'll take Brady, thanks very much. And guess what? THAT Brady leaned on a run game, whether it was Bills cast off Antowain Smith or a better than Smith Corey Dillon. Gee, I wonder why Brady's best postseason was 2004? Corey Dillon. That's why. A superior run game, made Brady even better. Gee! What a notion!
I will take this Brady over any Brady you've seen in the postseason since 2005. If it's not the crappy Jaguars or Broncos at home, Brady has struggled. And why has he struggled? Because he throws too much, upping the odds that someone like a BJGE (or a Maroney) only gets a 3.0 YPC at the end of the day and 12 carries, all while Brady throws more INTs, without establishing the run in the first half.
Just admit it and move one already. Brady needs to be better or we ain't winning jack squat. It's about Tom Brady and our OC and nothing else (barring the D not playing well themselves when the chips are on the table).
Funny how you crow about his 11 TDs and 3 INTs from 2001 to 2004 in the playoffs junior.
Almost as much production in less than half the games.
So really, the crux of your lame argument is cherry picking the 2005 season as a cutoff and holding the 2009 Ravens game against him when Welker was out and the whole team stank.
I will agree with one thing. A good running game helped him in your cherry picked cutoff of 2004 as a good running game helps any QB. But Larry Maroney and Benny doo weren't Corey Dillon of 2004.