Braxton Cave

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    Braxton Cave

    Yesterday I mentioned CB Justin Green as a bubble player that I think has a chance to make the team.  Today I'll bring up second year Center Braxton Cave.


    Cave spent last year on the Practice Squad, but they liked him enough to keep him around.  He has good size for the position at 6'3" 305 lbs, and he may have even bulked up a little from that weight.  I've read that he can play either Guard position if needed, but Center is his best spot.  I think he is basically competing with Wendell for a spot.  It will be an uphill battle for him because Wendell's experience will be a huge advantage for him.  Stork is a lock to make the team, and could even win the starting job, but he is still a rookie.  BB will probably want a Center with experience on the team just in case.  


    Wendell struggled mightily at times last season, however, so I wouldn't call him a lock.  His contract allows him to be cut without much of a cap hit, too.  If Cave comes in in Camp and plays well, I think there is a possibility that he could bump Wendell off o the team.  It would be a bit of a risk by BB to go into the season with a the Center position occupied by a rookie and and second year UDFA, but if both Cave and Stork prove to be superior players to Wendell then I think it could happen.  The OL will be another spot  where the battle for the last spot or two on the 53 Man Roster will be fierce.  It will be interesting to see how it plays out.  Cave is a guy who I think has a shot at earning a backup role if he can take it away from Wendell, and if Stork proves worthy of the starting Center job.

     
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    I think your instincts regarding Wendell are pretty good. I think he gets beat out unless they have injuries in camp to Stork/Cave/Connelly...

     
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    Re: Braxton Cave

    In response to ghostofjri37's comment:


    I think your instincts regarding Wendell are pretty good. I think he gets beat out unless they have injuries in camp to Stork/Cave/Connelly...





    +1  Wendell (as a vet already under contract) may be traded for a 6th or 7th rounder if Stork looks good early on  . . . I think their new offensive line coach will want to go with his "own guys" and a youth movement.

     
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    I saw CAve this offseason and he is noticably bigger. I really liked his chances prior to the draft, but the way the draft unfolded, he has an uphill battle. Productive in college, has gotten bigger and stronger. He will play in the NFL, perhaps not here.

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    I saw CAve this offseason and he is noticably bigger. I really liked his chances prior to the draft, but the way the draft unfolded, he has an uphill battle. Productive in college, has gotten bigger and stronger. He will play in the NFL, perhaps not here.

    TCal, funniest poster on the board!



    Good to hear that he got a little bigger.  Yeah, the draft wasn't what he wanted to see, but I still think he has a chance to make this team.  

     
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    Lol!  At least he has a backup plan if the NFL thing doesn't work out.

     
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    I think your instincts regarding Wendell are pretty good. I think he gets beat out unless they have injuries in camp to Stork/Cave/Connelly...

     

     



     

     

    +1  Wendell (as a vet already under contract) may be traded for a 6th or 7th rounder if Stork looks good early on  . . . I think their new offensive line coach will want to go with his "own guys" and a youth movement.



    untradeable due to his contract (which is also the reason I see him being cut). 2 years at $8 mil total is touch for him.

     
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    I think your instincts regarding Wendell are pretty good. I think he gets beat out unless they have injuries in camp to Stork/Cave/Connelly...

     

     



     

     

    +1  Wendell (as a vet already under contract) may be traded for a 6th or 7th rounder if Stork looks good early on  . . . I think their new offensive line coach will want to go with his "own guys" and a youth movement.



    untradeable due to his contract (which is also the reason I see him being cut). 2 years at $8 mil total is touch for him.




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    Wasn't it really 2 for $4 mill?

     
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    I thought I read somewhere if they cut Wendell this year the dead money for 2014 would be around 900k.

     
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    Wendell's contract is structured as follows:

    2014, if cut, cap hit is $1.6M and dead money is $850k

    2015, if cut, cap hit is $1.6M and dead money is $425k

    only his signing bonus of $850 is guaranteed

    he als has a per game bonus, roster bonus and 2015 incentive bonuses. 

    pretty simple, if he plays as many snaps as he has the past 2 years, he will make the full amount. if he is cut, the downside to the Pats is quite workable...

    good signing for the Pats, good protection on a guy who is really on the fence. 

     
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    Scarnecchia liked him enough to keep him around all year to coach him up. I wonder whether the fact that he long-snapped for ND might provide some extra value given that roster spots will, as always with the Pats, be at a premium - especially since they will likely carry three QBs this season.

     
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    Scarnecchia liked him enough to keep him around all year to coach him up. I wonder whether the fact that he long-snapped for ND might provide some extra value given that roster spots will, as always with the Pats, be at a premium - especially since they will likely carry three QBs this season.



    if Scar was still here, I dont think the draft would have unfolded as it did, with Scar prefering the smaller, more nimble, pulling C. Now that Dave D is here, I expect the OL to transform into a more smash mouth, physical, bigger group, and I am not sure that is Cave's strength.

     
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    In response to rkarp's comment:

    I agree with your assessment about the transformation of the OL ... the question to be answered about Cave is whether he can function in a strength role as well or better than the likes of Wendell and/or Connolly, given that Stork was drafted with this quality in mind. If so, then his more team-friendly salary and the possible LS option might just punch his ticket. In the end, Brady's trust in consistently clean exchanges will be paramount.

     

     
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