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Pro, play the apologist if you like. This is BOSTON, HOME of the New England Patriots. AND, THE MOST NOTORIOUSLY PASSIONATE FAN BASE IN THE COUNTRY. If you haven't noticed, or read the papers lately, WE aren't a very forgiving group when it comes to egregious errors and gaffs in CLUTCH TIME. Go ahead, drop all the balls you want, WHEN IT DOESN'T have any season ending implications for the team that I have invested so much personal time, personal finances, and dedication into, not to mention the 10's of millions of $s the tickets cost all us collectively as loyal and hopeful fans so that you can be paid your $500,000+ per game salary only to drop the most important passes in the most critical juncture of our last two Super Bowl runs. How many games have you watched sitting in Sullivan's Stadium watching the Patriots get embarrassed???
Ask Bill Buckner if he understands why so many feel the way we do about Wes Walker. And on top of it all, HE WANTED MORE MONEY than what he deserved then took less to go elsewhere. PRO, no offense man, BUT YOU CAN'T relate to what REAL, HOME GROWN, LOYAL who've been through the decades of mediocirty feel like about this tipic. YOU, TFB, and others like the PATS and their players now because they have been so good for so long now. WELL, WE don't understand your way of thinking either man, because the vast majority of us here believe we deserve the benefits of having been loyal and we don't have to tolerate mediocrity at least for as long as BB is in charge. Obviously BB understands this too, and that is why Wes Welker is not a NE Patriot. No offense to any of you who didn't grow up as Pats, or even BOSTON fans, but you realy don't understand.
WE ARE PASSIONATE BECAUSE WE TRULY CONNECT WITH AND LOVE OUR TEAMS FROM BOSTON, we don't just like an arbitrary team who happens to be very good for convenience or for the way their uniforms look. No offense buddy, but it is the truth, so trying to understand ain't gonna happen. YOU HAD TO BE THERE! If you outsiders want to love the Patriots, and I am certain there are many of you who do, welcome aboard! BUT don't come here trying to tell the life long PATS FANS WHAT IS RIGHT OR WRONG ABOUT HOW WE SHOULD FEEL. YOU HAVE NO BASIS OR UNDERSTANDING. Luv ya!
Rally, Sorry to break it to ya, a lot of people around the world are just as passionate about their team as hometown fans are. It doesn't matter where you live, how long you have been a fan, going through the tough times with the team, so on and so forth. I am in Raider and 49'er terrirtory. Both franchises have gone through years of being horrible, well Raiders still are so they might be a bad example here, so lets just use the 49'ers. I know older 49'er fans who have been fans their whole life, seen the most miserable years of the franchise and are very passionate about their team and I know younger 49'er fans who didn't go through all those horrible years with the 49'ers yet they are just as passionate if not in some cases more passionate fans then those older people who went through all those years of tough times with the team. Some are from the erea, some aren't. It doesn't matter. Pinning big game losses on Welker is silly. LOL @ Bill Buckner type play. There are so many mistakes in each SB loss, the championship game loss that you can't pin it on one guy, yet you single out one player? Not fair. You want choking... why not blame BB for a terrible game plans? How about BB chokes and gets out coached in the biggest games? Last 2 SB's horrible game plans, he had no answers. Out coached. Terrible plan in the Ravens game, why not use Vereen more after being such a huge impact the week before? Out coached!?!? Maybe it was Talib's fault for getting hurt. The defense looked horrible after he left the game. My grandmother and her bingo club could have scored on that defense after Talib left. I could go on and on.. there are so many mistakes all around that it's just not fair to pin it on one guy.
Btw, please show me where Welker took less money to go to Denver.
Looking forward to the game tomorrow! What is your score prediction against the Bills?
TFB, OK. I understand that you truly believe what you are saying. I am not trying to say you aren't being genuine. BUT THE FACTS ARE THE FACTS. I come from BOSTON, MA. The exact City that was home base for holding down the fort while this Country was born, the same City that had direct involvement to 9-11, the worst attack on our homeland from foreign aggression since the War of Independance (with all due respect to the tragedy in Pearl Harbor, I am speaking of Continental US). The citizens wake up to reminders every single day that these battles and issues took place right here! How's that for a reminder of loyalty, Patriotism, committment, and how I should grow up???
In the mid 1800's folks who wanted even more liberal lifestyles high tailed it to the far reaches of the continent as far away from the "ISSUES" and traditions of the original American fore fathers as they could, and ended up in California. 150-years is not that long ago dude!!! WE are products of our cultures, TFB. This explains why you can have two football teams with amazing and storied traditions, 49ers/Raiders, and not feel committment to either. No offense, but West Coast Flaky vs. New England Commitment is the difference between our cultures. How am I so sure? I am 51 and haved lived all over the world, have spent significant time in every state in the US excluding Idaho and Montana. I have basis. I may be partial, but I am very fair in my assessment. A sociologist will tell you the same things I am saying, guaranteed. Again, no offense man.
We are just wired differently based on where we are from. Think about the Franchise choices in names in themselves how they represent the culture and history of the areas supporting each team and maybe you will see some of what I am saying: THE NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS (WE are loyal and committed to the cause), The 49ers (Implies, We are here chasing GOLD!), and Raiders (speaks for itself!) NO COMPARISON! To answer your question: PATS Beat Bills by 21-PTS, 41-20!
So now you are more American?? LOL, come on. If you are so loyal, why are you in Atlanta? Why not back in Boston doing something for the place you speak about loyalty so much?
And now how American people are is being based on the team names of the area they live in? Please continue, this could get interesting. Please tell me what the Redskins and Chiefs names imply? Or how about the Cardinals, Seahawks and maybe the Bengals. Man, no Americanism there! They probably have no loyalty. No offense, but your statements are ignorant and silly.
BTW, I agree with your score of tomorrows game. I think the Pats score 40+, not so sure the Bills hit 20. Maybe 17.
TFB, I NEVER ONCE SAID I WAS MORE AMERICAN, NOR DID I EVER SAY YOU OR ANY OTHER PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY ARE LESSER AMERICANS. Why do you try to do that all of the time. You take words and twist them into your own little way of FALSE ADVERTIZING. That tactic, my friend is genuinely "ignorant and silly" as you like to say. I SAID WHAT I SAID and nothing more. I don't expect you to understand where I am coming from. Afterall, you are from California and are a "DIE HARD Patriot Fan". I don't understand how that is either. Lets just leave it at that so that WE can continue to get along.
To answer your question, I live in ATLANTA now, as I have for the last two years, as part of my responsibility as a Federal Employee with the United States Government. I am a manager for one of the organizations that monitors and regulates activities related to the National Security of OUR Country and that is all I will say about that. How's that for being "LOYAL"? Who do you work for, Apple? being from SFO and all, I figure IT of some type. I actually met Steve Jobs once just before he passed, great man.......Dude, I luv ya and lets keep it light, deal..........I know you like the Patriots. So do I. It doesn't have to be the same way. Just remember that there are those who take it very, very seriously........not like a casual fan would.......or would even really understand.
As for the basis of other teams' names, your attempt to get me to bite is very, very silly. Other teams' names are irrelevant to this conversation altogether. It just so happens that the ones that are relevant happen to perfectly fit the example of our cultiural divides and differences, you in the Bay area, and me being from Boston. Other NFL Cities, they have absolutely nothing to do with any of this aside from your attempt at throwing in a "Red Herring" for me tochase. Good try, but, No thanks! GO PATS!!!