Re: Bruschi: Patriots must pay Mankins
posted at 5/27/2010 12:41 PM EDT
- ewhite1065
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In Response to Re: Bruschi: Patriots must pay Mankins : If memory serves me correctly, Bruschi wasn't the first person to use that term - quite a few others have used that term. Shootz, i use that term...so, it can't mean that much other than it's an easy way to identify the game where the subsequent "rule" came from.
Posted by BubbaInHawaii
Me too Bubba.. I'm proud of the tuck rule game. It was about time the Refs got a call correct for us in the playoffs.
Re: Bruschi: Patriots must pay Mankins
posted at 5/27/2010 12:45 PM EDT
- ewhite1065
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Anyone here who doesn't think the newspaper business isn't struggling and where the suits don't give corporate directives is mildly retarded. Sorry. It has nothing to do with conspiracies. It has to do with making money. Watch out, EWhite! Intelligent Waldork and ChubbyinHawaii claim you have a conspiracy theory! lol
Posted by russgriswold
You should here my Political conspiracy theories! LOL
You know what's funny is the only time I hear what Bruschi says is when I read it on this forum. ESPN almost makes my skin crawl when I watch it now. The NFL Network is much more Palatable.....Except for Marshall faulk..Even Deion is better than ESPN Football guys.
Re: Bruschi: Patriots must pay Mankins
posted at 5/27/2010 12:56 PM EDT
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Bubba, Sorry for the correction but the "tuck" rule was instituted long before that game and it was called against the Pats earlier that season. Therefore the rule did not "subsequently" come from that game.
Posted by rtuinila
No worries. Correction noted - u are right. No need to apologize - I don't consider myself to be overly sensitive about being wrong - like some other posters.
Basically, we are in agreement that Bruschi wasn't the first to use the term....and certainly didn't "popularize" the term.
Re: Bruschi: Patriots must pay Mankins
posted at 5/27/2010 12:58 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: Bruschi: Patriots must pay Mankins : You should here my Political conspiracy theories! LOL You know what's funny is the only time I hear what Bruschi says is when I read it on this forum. ESPN almost makes my skin crawl when I watch it now. The NFL Network is much more Palatable.....Except for Marshall faulk..Even Deion is better than ESPN Football guys.
Posted by ewhite1065
Let's start a new thread called "Patriot conspiracy theories" just for the helluvit....lol.
Re: Bruschi: Patriots must pay Mankins
posted at 5/27/2010 2:37 PM EDT
- Payment84
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I understand where Bruschi is coming from and don't disagree about signing Mankins is a GREAT idea.
What I take offense to is comments like "If they don't have him, they will not be able to protect Tom Brady and that running game will not function."
Really?! I think any replacement would be hard pressed to fill his shoes completely, but I highly doubt our team will crumble apart like he predicts...
Re: Bruschi: Patriots must pay Mankins
posted at 5/27/2010 6:28 PM EDT
- kebbe
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Mankins is clearly the Pats best O.L. at this moment and every effort should be made to sugn him long term but when the nexr CBA is signed,you can bet your bottom dollar that there will be a hard salary at some percentage of revenue.Even the NFLPA knows this as they were saying they wouldn't accept a salary cap while negotiating with the owners about what the percentage should be(the owners were offering a onerous cut in the past CBA and the NFLPA was furious and with cause).with a cap,it would be reasonable to lock him in for 4-5 years at $ 5.5 to $6.5 par season,assuming the new salary caP IS CLOSE TO THE LAST ONE.
Re: Bruschi: Patriots must pay Mankins
posted at 5/27/2010 7:19 PM EDT
- digger0862
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I hope they sign him but if he wants top money it will be 7 or 8 million.
2010 Saints guard Jahri Evans 7yr 56.7M
2008 Jets guard Alan Faneca 5yr 40M 21M guaranteed
2008 Giants guard Chris Snee 6yr 43.5M
2007 Browns guard Eric Steinbach 7yr 49M 17M guaranteed
2007 Cowboys guard Leonard Davis 7yr 49.6M 18.75M guaranteed
2006 Vikings guard Steve Hutchinson 7yr 49M 16M guaranteed
I don't know if the Patriots will go that high.
Re: Bruschi: Patriots must pay Mankins
posted at 5/27/2010 8:02 PM EDT
- underdoggg
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So who's the bigger issue - Mankins for the pats or Mathis for the colts?
Re: Bruschi: Patriots must pay Mankins
posted at 5/28/2010 8:55 AM EDT
Ok - so the question I asked is: who is worse off: The pats with mankins out or the colts with mathis out?
Re: Bruschi: Patriots must pay Mankins
posted at 5/28/2010 9:42 AM EDT
- ewhite1065
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Ok - so the question I asked is: who is worse off: The pats with mankins out or the colts with mathis out?
Posted by underdoggggg
The Colts without Mathis..The Patriots are used to losing Lineman to free agency and Injuries and seem to work around it. I don't place as much Value on Mankins as Bruschi does. I think he is a very good lineman but if he is not there we'll find somebody to do the Job. When Damien Woody flew the coupe that was supposed to be an unreplaceable player but didn't affect us much.There were a lot of people complaining when Joe Andruzzi hit the road too. I would much rather lose Mankins than Wilfork or Ty warren right now. I would think the Same is true for Indy. Would you rather lose your best Offensive lineman or Mathis?
Re: Bruschi: Patriots must pay Mankins
posted at 5/28/2010 11:17 AM EDT
No, I get it, WendyLee. You and I said essentially the same thing. There is no way ESPN hired Bruschi or NBC hired Harrison under the guise they would be allowed to praise the Pats at any time unless it was so obvious to do so even the haters had to concede. Absolutely not.
Some of you apparently don't know any non_pats fans or never lived outside thhe Boston area long enough to get a gauge of the jealousy and hatred of this team.
Newsflash: 90% of non-Pats fans HATE NE. Even fans in the NFC who have no real connection to the AFC HATE NE because they cannot stand who well run they are compared to their team.
Ratings would take a hit if any one of these ex Pats players showed any special "treatment" as analysts.
For example, I can't even watch NBC with Saint Dungy on there and his snide, preachy, self-roghteus self pimping the Colts at every turn and taking subliminal shots at any team that consistently beat him as a coach. But, the fact of the matter is, most fans don't detest Saint Dungy. He's s quiet guy that the media loves, so he is propped up.
NFL Network has the best analysts, minus Marshall "Squints" Faulk and Jamie Dukes. Neither one is very bright and both have agendas.
Faulk's is SB 36 and Dukes's, in my opinion, is more racially based.
Deion and Rod Woodson are superb analysts for ex-players, in my opinion. As is Wadell.
Dilfer is good on ESPN, but that's about it.
Re: Bruschi: Patriots must pay Mankins
posted at 5/28/2010 12:21 PM EDT
Mankins is a class act; a real football player. I cannot imagine this situation not getting resolved. This guy is a Patriot; the team needs him.
Re: Bruschi: Patriots must pay Mankins
posted at 5/28/2010 12:43 PM EDT
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Ok - so the question I asked is: who is worse off: The pats with mankins out or the colts with mathis out?
Posted by underdoggggg
LOL...that's too easy. Colts w/o mathis. Can we have him?
Re: Bruschi: Patriots must pay Mankins
posted at 5/28/2010 12:49 PM EDT
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Some of you apparently don't know any non_pats fans or never lived outside thhe Boston area long enough to get a gauge of the jealousy and hatred of this team. Newsflash: 90% of non-Pats fans HATE NE. Posted by russgriswold
where is your reliable source on this stat? just curious.
Re: Bruschi: Patriots must pay Mankins
posted at 5/28/2010 1:12 PM EDT
I don't need a stat to have experience living out of the Boston area for over 10 years and seeing this unfold.
Prior to Spygate, there was a quiet respect but penty of excuses too.
"They only win by 3 points"
"Bruschi faked the stroke."
"They are boring to watch."
"Brady is a system QB."
Etc, etc, etc.
Then the Spygate witch hunt hit, and it gave every single jealous hater a platform to work with to spout off.
Most dynasties fade out. This one hasn't and isn't any time soon. The rebuilding is underway and some haters are afraid of what that might mean.
Re: Bruschi: Patriots must pay Mankins
posted at 5/28/2010 1:42 PM EDT
"Newsflash: 90% of non-Pats fans HATE NE. Even fans in the NFC who have no real connection to the AFC HATE NE because they cannot stand who well run they are compared to their team. "Russgriswold
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where is your reliable source on this stat? just curious." Bubba
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"I don't need a stat to have experience living out of the Boston area for over 10 years and seeing this unfold." RUSS
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I interpret this to mean that you're speaking out of your azz again.
So, let's say the following is a "reliable source":
http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-HATE-THE-PATRIOTS/183698620985they claim 100,000 people hate the patriots. Hmmm, there are about 270 Million adults in the united states....that comes out to .05%.
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT - PEOPLE DO HATE THE PATRIOTS - YOU PROVED IT - I AM WRONG.
Re: Bruschi: Patriots must pay Mankins
posted at 5/28/2010 1:54 PM EDT
I don't need to prove an opinion, Einstein. As you can see, there are MULTIPLE people on this thread who see the exact same thing I do and agree with me.
Only people with large tires on large pick ups use all caps, too. lol
Insecure much?
Re: Bruschi: Patriots must pay Mankins
posted at 5/28/2010 1:58 PM EDT
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I don't need to prove an opinion, Einstein. As you can see, there are MULTIPLE people on this thread who see the exact same thing I do and agree with me. Only people with large tires on large pick ups use all caps, too. lol Insecure much?
Posted by russgriswold
LMAO. No, i'm definitely not insecure - I don't ever have problems admitting that I'm wrong. And the use of caps was obviously a way of expressing sarcasm - because I wanted it to be fairly explicit as to what I was really conveying about you.
Re: Bruschi: Patriots must pay Mankins
posted at 5/28/2010 2:11 PM EDT
You should admit you're wrong when you roll about of bed in the morning and then look in the mirror. Might be easier for you.
Name a time I was factually wrong here and didn't admit it.
Re: Bruschi: Patriots must pay Mankins
posted at 5/28/2010 2:16 PM EDT
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You should admit you're wrong when you roll about of bed in the morning and then look in the mirror. Might be easier for you. Name a time I was factually wrong here and didn't admit it.
Posted by russgriswold
I don't have to. You did it for me. Wouldn't it be easier if you found that post and did it for us?
Re: Bruschi: Patriots must pay Mankins
posted at 5/28/2010 2:22 PM EDT
No. Name one time I was factually incorrect, was corrected, and then didn't admit I was wrong.
You seem to confuse opinion with fact because, quite frankly, you aren't playing with a full deck.
Re: Bruschi: Patriots must pay Mankins
posted at 5/28/2010 2:32 PM EDT
"No. Name one time I was factually incorrect, was corrected, and then didn't admit I was wrong.
You seem to confuse opinion with fact because, quite frankly, you aren't playing with a full deck." Russ
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Naah....yer just finding a way to backtrack. Whether you are giving your opinion based on bs or expressing incorrect facts....you're looking pretty sad either way.
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"Newsflash: 90% of non-Pats fans HATE NE. Even fans in the NFC who have no real connection to the AFC HATE NE because they cannot stand who well run they are compared to their team. "Russgriswold
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where is your reliable source on this stat? just curious." Bubba
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"I don't need a stat to have experience living out of the Boston area for over 10 years and seeing this unfold." RUSS
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I interpret this to mean that you're speaking out of your azz again.
So, let's say the following is a "reliable source":
http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-HATE-THE-PATRIOTS/183698620985they claim 100,000 people hate the patriots. Hmmm, there are about 270 Million adults in the united states....that comes out to .05%.
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This is so easy....lol.
Re: Bruschi: Patriots must pay Mankins
posted at 5/28/2010 2:52 PM EDT
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What did BB do to Bruschi? Bruschi has spent his time at ESPN, just hammering every single move BB makes. Every non-move is the worst thing ever and every move they make is awful. I have lost a lot of respect for Bruschi. Love the guy as a player, find him ultra annoying as an ESPN yes man.
Posted by russgriswold
Hmmm, the term
every means that Bruschi has
never complemented a move BB had involvement in.
not ever; at no time: Such an idea never occurred to me.
2. not at all; absolutely not: never mind; This will never do.
and yet, here's a statement from bruschi:
"“In the NFL today, you need three good corners,” Bruschi said in a meet-and-greet setting at Mullen, a Boston-based advertising agency. “You have Leigh Bodden, Darius Butler an up-and-comer, and now you have the third corner in Devin McCourty. I think he was a good pick.” Bruschi
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4678036/tedy-bruschi-assesses-mccourty-pickSo, again....either your "opinion" about Bruschi ALWAYS slamming BB is wrong...or your mistatement about "facts" is wrong. Either way your wrong.
Just admit it. I'm betting you can't.
Re: Bruschi: Patriots must pay Mankins
posted at 5/28/2010 4:22 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: Bruschi: Patriots must pay Mankins : Hmmm, the term every means that Bruschi has never complemented a move BB had involvement in. nev·er 1. not ever; at no time: Such an idea never occurred to me. 2. not at all; absolutely not: never mind; This will never do. and yet, here's a statement from bruschi: "“In the NFL today, you need three good corners,” Bruschi said in a meet-and-greet setting at Mullen, a Boston-based advertising agency. “You have Leigh Bodden, Darius Butler an up-and-comer, and now you have the third corner in Devin McCourty. I think he was a good pick.” Bruschi
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4678036/tedy-bruschi-assesses-mccourty-pick So, again....either your "opinion" about Bruschi ALWAYS slamming BB is wrong...or your mistatement about "facts" is wrong. Either way your wrong. Just admit it. I'm betting you can't.
Posted by BubbaInHawaii
Sure. I honestly don't care.
You seem to have an issue with the concept of a figure of speech.
Saying "never" here is just that.
Let me rephrase:
"Generally speaking, Bruschi is slow to compliment NE as an ESPN head and is quick to bash.
"Generally speaking", the "majority" of non Pats fans hate NE.
Hows' that, counselor? lol
Re: Bruschi: Patriots must pay Mankins
posted at 5/29/2010 7:55 AM EDT
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In Response to Re: Bruschi: Patriots must pay Mankins : Sure. I honestly don't care. You seem to have an issue with the concept of a figure of speech. Saying "never" here is just that. Let me rephrase: "Generally speaking, Bruschi is slow to compliment NE as an ESPN head and is quick to bash. "Generally speaking", the "majority" of non Pats fans hate NE. Hows' that, counselor? lol
Posted by russgriswold
Of course you don't care...that's why you keep responding. I knew you couldn't admit you were wrong. Even your "opinion" that opinions can't be wrong is....u guessed it - wrong.
opinion =
a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
There was once a time when people's opinion was that the world was flat. Guess what? they were wrong because of a dude named Pythagoras.
I'm guessing that the odds would be in my favor that you can't go a month without attacking posters who have oposing views than you.
Seriously, how hard is it to say that you're wrong? Like yer gonna lose your "street cred" if u do? Oh, my. That would be devastating.
