Build a team to compete right now past and current Patriot players

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    Build a team to compete right now past and current Patriot players

    Thought this would be fun while it's a little slow:
    got to a roster size of 46 and I think if I stayed pretty injury free I could kick any teams @ss with these guys...

    QB: Brady, Grogan and Bledsoe
    RB: Nance, Martin, Faulk
    FB: Cunningham,Tatupu
    TE: Coates, Francis
    WR: Brown, Moss, Morgan, Fryer, Welker
    OC: Morris, Wohlabaugh  
    OG: Hannah, Mankins, Adams
    OT: Armstrong, Neville, Light 

    DL: Wilfork, Adams, Seymour, Hunt, Antwine
    OLB: Tippett, McGinnest
    ILB: Nelson, Mayo, Bruschi, Johnson  
    CB: Haynes, Law, Clayborn
    S: Milloy, Marrion, Harrison

    K: Vinatierri, Capelletti
    P: Camarillo
    LS: Paxton
    PR: T. Brown
    KR: Faulk

    Head Coach Bill Belichick
    Assistant H.C. Raymond Berry
     
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    Re: Build a team to compete right now past and current Patriot players

    WOW

    with the absence of foresight i would have to agree with your current list.

    I would like to see Dedrick Colours or Dave Meggett returning the ball on KR.

    I would take both those full backs out for Sam Gash, he was the best blocking full back this team has ever seen.

    Add Corey Dillon to the Stable of HB
     
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    Re: Build a team to compete right now past and current Patriot players

    Dedrick Colours? Can't say I've heard of him.

    Good team but I'd have Mike Haynes returning punts, Raymond Clayborn returning kickoffs and Doug Flutie drop-kicking.

    Edit: I found him, Derrick Cullors 1997-1998.
     
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    Re: Build a team to compete right now past and current Patriot players

    Nice list but have to make one change I'd take Merriweather of Milloy, I always thought Milloy was overrated or even Big play willie clay, Milloy is a B list guy in my book.

     
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    Re: Build a team to compete right now past and current Patriot players

    I think I understand what you want: a roster that could compete in TODAY'S league...

    Well then:

    QB: Tom Brady, Jim Plunkett, Damon Huard (yes, Damon Huard - if you watched America's Game for the 2003 Super Bowl championship season, you'll note how Huard did an EXCELLENT job simulating Peyton Manning as the scout team QB)
    ... it was tough leaving Grogan and Flutie off of the team ...

    RB: Curtis Martin, Sam Cunningham, Kevin Faulk (Faulk is the 3rd down specialist - it's a passing league)

    FB: Sam Gash (deceptive in the passing game; traditional lead blocker)

    WR: Randy Moss, Irving Fryer, Stanley Morgan, Wes Welker, Terry Glenn
    ... I also wanted to use Capelletti as a receiver and backup kicker, but I felt like Terry Glen in his prime brings more to the passing attack...

    TE: Ben Coates, Daniel Graham (good blocking specialist with justenough pass catching ability)

    LT: Leon Gray (Leon Gray starts on the left side because of continuity with John Hannah)

    LG: John Hannah

    C: Dave Wohlabaugh, Dan Koppen (I honestly don't know who's better at center - I'll start Koppen because he's been Brady's battery-mate for his entire career)

    RG: Logan Mankins / Stephen Neal (Mankins switches sides if he doesn't hold out because of it... otherwise I've watched Neal enough up close to know he belongs here, assuming in this fantasy league he doesn't get injured)

    RT: Bruce Armstrong (seems like he'd have the character to switch sides)

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    LE: Ty Warren

    NT: Ted Washington
    NT: Vince Wilfork (nobody runs on this 4-3 unit; also capable of backing up nose tackle, although on this roster I envision Wilfork not putting on weight and coming on as a pass rusher shooting gaps more like he did at Miami in college)

    RE: Richard Seymour

    Utility D-lineman: Jarvis Green (good by utility-man standards)

    OLB/DE: Willie McGinnest (starts because of his versatility)

    OLB: Andre Tippett, Mike Vrabel, 

    MLB: Jerod Mayo, Tedy Bruschi, Ted Washington (Mayo gets the nod because this team is supposed to compete in TODAY'S league... I wanted to add Nick Buoniconti, but he is better known for his Dolphin years)
    ... I also wanted to include Steve Nelson, Patriots Hall of Famer, but for the life of me I couldn't figure out if he was an inside or outside linebacker...

    CB: Mike Haynes, Ty Law, Asante Samuel, Ellis Hobbs (Hobbs is here for kick returns and only as a dime corner)

    SS: Rodney Harrison, Lawyer Milloy

    FS: ???

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    K: Adam Vinitieri

    P: Tom Tupa (can also QB in emergency situations)

    KR: Ellis Hobbs

    PR: Wes Welker

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    (Coaching staff is basically the dynasty group)
    Head coach: Bill Belichick
    Offensive Coordinator: Charlie Weis
    Defensive Coordinator: Romeo Crennel
    QB Coach: Josh McDaniels
    O-Line: Dante Scharnechia
    D-Line: Pepper Johnson
    Secondary: pre-head-coach Eric Mangini
    Special teams: Brad Seely (at least I think he's the guy who coached the dynasty teams that always had good, timely special teams plays)


    I could have done better, but I wanted to be stubborn and not look up any of the all-Patriots squads online.

    I had NO clue who to put at free safety... and I refused to put Brandon Merriweather.

    I had 43 players here.  I need two more for the 45-man game-day roster.  I can't remember his name, but he filled in at tackle during one of the Super Bowl runs and continued to be a backup tackle and guard on both sides and a short yardage blocker.  He'd be on this squad.  I'm also thinking that Larry Izzo would be good for special teams, although I lament the fact that I could only include two tight ends when you really need three (Mike Vrabel does NOT count)


    I'll be back to add another post amending this one.  I wanted to complete a roster just off of sheer Pats knowledge.  Gold star for me :-D
     
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    Re: Build a team to compete right now past and current Patriot players

    For todays game and with Bill Belichick's philosophies...

    Offensive Backfield
    QB [3]: Tom Brady, Steve Grogan, Drew Bledsoe
    RB [4]: Curtis Martin, Sam Cunningham, Kevin Faulk, Heath Evans
    FB [1]: Sam Gash

    Wide Receivers/Tight Ends
    TE [3]: Ben Coates, Russ Francis, Daniel Graham
    WR [6]: Randy Moss, Terry Glenn, Troy Brown, Wes Welker, Stanley Morgan, Deion Branch

    Offensive Linemen
    OT [4]: Bruce Armstrong, Matt Light, Brian Holloway, Sebastian Vollmer
    OG [4]: John Hannah, Logan Mankins, Stephen Neal, Joe Andruzzi
    C [3]: Damien Woody, Pete Brock, Dan Koppen

    Defensive Linemen/Linebackers
    DE [4]: Richard Seymour, Ty Warren, Jarvis Green, Willie McGinest
    DT [3]: Vince Wilfork, Keith Traylor, Ted Washington
    OLB [4]: Andre Tippett, Mike Vrabel, Chris Slade, Tully Banta-Cain
    MLB [3]: Tedy Bruschi, Ted Johnson, Nick Buoniconti

    Defensive Backs
    CB [4]: Ty Law, Mike Haynes, Asante Samuel, Otis Smith
    FS [2]: Fred Marion, Willie Clay
    SS [2]: Rodney Harrison, Lawyer Milloy

    Specialists
    K [1]: Adam Vinatieri
    P [1]: Tom Tupa
    LS [1]: Lonnie Paxton
    KR: Mike Haynes, Troy Brown
    PR: Wes Welker, Kevin Faulk

    I love the options with this team. There is a lot of depth at the receiver position, and with Tom Brady throwing the ball, forget about it. Of course, Ben Coats is nice too. Along the defensive line is a slew of more recent Patriots players. That's not to say they're undeserving though. There have been former players who've been great in their generation of play. Houston Antwine was a tough player to leave off of this roster just because he was such a disruptive force back in the 60's, or so I've come to understand. The versatility of Fred Marion to play some cornerback, as well as Lawyer Milloy to play free safety make for a tremendous array of talent for Belichick to scheme around. I would put this 53-man roster against some of the all-time best team compilations of todays NFL. With the help of Raymond Berry, perhaps Bill Parcells, Charlie Weis, and Chuck Fairbanks, this New England Patriots team is set for almost any challenge. Belchick and Kraft would be proud to run this team.
     
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    Re: Build a team to compete right now past and current Patriot players

    All Patriot team:

    QB: Tom Brady, Bledsoe
    RB: Corey Dillon, Jim Nance
    FB: Sam Cunningham, Tatupu
    TE: Coates, Russ Francis
    WR: Moss, Troy Brown, Stanley Morgan, Irving Fryar
    C: Jon Morris
    G: Hannah, Mankins
    T: Bruce Armstrong, Sea Bass

    DL: Wilfork, Adams, Seymour, Jim Lee Hunt
    OLB: Tippett, McGinnest
    ILB: Nelson, Bruschi, Johnson, Vincent Brown 
    CB: Haynes, Law, Clayborn
    SS: Rodney Harrison, Milloy
    FS: Ron Hall, Fred Marion, Willie "big play" Clay

    K: Vinatierri, Capelletti
    P: Camarillo
    LS: Paxton
    PR: T. Brown
    KR: Faulk

    Head Coach Bill Belichick
    Assistant H.C. Raymond Berry

    It may be a little too early to put Mayo up there, everybody forgot "The Undertaker" Vincent Brown who's career was cut short by injury but was 3 times was voted to the All Pro Team in a 8 year career and had 100+ tackles in his final 5 seasons.
     
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    Re: Build a team to compete right now past and current Patriot players

    Some interesting Rosters to go along with mine and here are my comments on the few things I was thinking going over them...

    It's unfortunate people don't know their History (not a put down it is understandable most fans now were not even alive when some of the best players the Patriots Ever had played) but here are a couple of players that statisticly and ability wise demand to be on a team now and could have competed in any league era...
    Capaletti, Nance, Grogan, Cunningham, Francis, Morris, Hannah, Haynes, and Neville. They all were tops at their position at some point during their career. The only minor stretch is Grogan but he makes this list due to his mobility, arm strength and knowledge of the game. He could star at the QB position in todays game more then he did when he played truly ahead of his time!

    My other comment is I forgot about Dave Meggett and I agree he would be my KR even though his best years were elsewhere, but the same could be said for Haynes and Francis... as for Bunoconti(sp) I couldn't bring myself to put him on the team I feel for him because of his son's injury and I know he was a great LB but I can't stand his arrogance and he is more known for his years in Miami. Vincent Brown was a great LB but I wasn't sure he played long enough in the NFL to qualify on my list.
     
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    Re: Build a team to compete right now past and current Patriot players

    BTW... in lets say ten years there are a couple youngsters I wouldn't be surprised to see on a list like this...
    WR: Price
    CB:  McCourty
    Who knows maybe there are others that will step up but I love these two. I was a little suprised at us taking McCourty due to the need in the DE/OLB areas but long term hard to argue with a player that will be a fixture at a very important position like CB especially with the WR threats the AFC east will have for the next few years...
     
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    Re: Build a team to compete right now past and current Patriot players

    Tom Neville was 250 pounds and played offensive tackle in the sixties with different rules and technique. He'd have to get quicker while adding on a lot of power to his game to compensate for his lack of size. I'm willing to bet there are more blocking schemes implemented into the modern playbook by team, surely there would be some sort of learning curve there. Maybe Neville could turn out to be a solid guard, but that would require a LOT of catching up and hard work. Jon Morris is another player that was great during his time, but if transfered into todays game, he'd be at a complete disadvantage because he lacks sufficient size (for a prototypical offensive line position) and experience (in the modern NFL). Jon Morris, Tom Neville, and many of these former 60's and 70's players would have their ability to play today, just at a reduced pace on a lesser scale.
     
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    Re: Build a team to compete right now past and current Patriot players

    My two cents.

    Best punt returner is a toss up between Haynes and Fryar.

    Best kick returner was Raymond Clayborn.

    LB I would most like to be hitting the RB in a short yardage situation: Ted Johnson.

    Favorite halfbacks; Craig James, Ron Burton, Larry Garron, Andy Johnson, Robert Weathers

    OLB's:McGinest before back and groin injuries slowed him down and Tippett.

    Best inside linebacker I ever saw in a Pat's uniform: Nick Buoniconti.

    Nance was a fullback.

    I remeber Neville as being called for holding on every other play.

    Honorable mentions: DL Ray Hamilton, Larry Eisenhauer, LB Sam Hunt, WR Jim Colclough, S Tim Fox

     
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    Re: Build a team to compete right now past and current Patriot players

    All lists look good and after seeing these names written it is clear the Pats were seldom short on talent.

    With that said it seems a few players were consistently left off( a few people said these names)

    Ted Washington a.k.a the immovable object, throughout his career he was an o-linemens nightmare.

    Big Ted Johnson, if injury did not limit his career he goes down as one of the best situational run stuffing mlbs in the game. Averaged 12.5 games a year for 10 years and still had over 800 tackles. 80 tackles a year at 12.5 games a year and didn't always start = great player.

    JR Seau, I know we caught him at the end of his career but this guy might go down as a top 5 lb in NFL history.

    Larry Centers, again end of career but Larry Centers would have to edge out K Faulk as receiving FB/half back. He played in over 15 games for 11 straight years. He had over 50 catches for 10 straight years and has the most receptions for a rb in NFL history. I wish this guy had played for the Pats his whole career.

    Also Troy Brown should be 1st on every Patriot wr list. If he had played with Randy Moss in his younger years he would have put up Wes Welker #s on a yearly basis. Not to mention punt returns and corner back play. The ultimate Patriot and team player.

    Honorable mention list??

    Roman Phifer
    O-T-I-S Smith
    Vincent Brown
    Johnathan Edwards(poor guy looked real good for us)
    Mike Vrabel( can't beat out Tippet, Willie Mac)
    Cappelleti gotta put Adam as kicker
    Larry Izzo ST
    Damien Woody

    Last but not least Chris Slade 51 career sacks for the Pats. I loved that guy.


     
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